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about it being useless for us to fire Hazell before November.

All the mentions of Purdue and PJ Fleck together have me giddy with excitement. Lots of fan bases that REALLY want him (LSU and Baylor specifically) all seem convinced he's ours to lose.

Baylor thinks he won't touch them because the corrupt admin that pushed Briles out is still there.

LSU fans think they won't take a shot on a guy with no P5 experience.

Both of these fan bases cite our new facility and aggressive new comittment via a new AD and message change as to why we will nab him. I can't wait. This guy has Urban Meyer part 2 written all over him. Let's be honest, the only way we are ever going to get one of these guys is on the way up.

I don't want this type of guy on the way down...like a Leslie Miles.
 
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pboiler18 said:
about it being useless for us to fire Hazell before November.

All the mentions of Purdue and PJ Fleck together have me giddy with excitement. Lots of fan bases that REALLY want him (LSU and Baylor specifically) all seem convinced he's ours to lose.

Baylor thinks he won't touch them because the corrupt admin that pushed Briles out is still there.

LSU fans think they won't take a shot on a guy with no P5 experience.

Both of these fan bases cite our new facility and aggressive new comittment via a new AD and message change as to why we will nab him. I can't wait. This guy has Urban Meyer part 2 written all over him. Let's be honest, the only way we are ever going to get one of these guys is on the way up.

I don't want this type of guy on the way down...like a Leslie Miles.
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I'm sold!
 
I agree and admit I was wrong too. However, we have to harpoon him ASAP. If it goes much into early December someone else will get him. My dream is that we beat IU and then on Saturday night they announce him as our coach.
 
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He is the coach that I like the most but who knows, AD may have someone else he prefers?
 
He'd have to switch to a train theme though right

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BoilerBulldog said:
I agree and admit I was wrong too. However, we have to harpoon him ASAP. If it goes much into early December someone else will get him. My dream is that we beat IU and then on Saturday night they announce him as our coach.
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Same here. I flipped on the early termination decision yesterday. Never too late to change your opinion in light of new information.

I WANT to be all in on Fleck. There's just that little part of me that is wary of all the hype. I'm still not sure if he is a strong X's and O's guy. After DH2 debacle a strong identity is a must.
 
Let's see if he ends up here first. There are going to be many more jobs open up before he has to make a decision.
 
Feed the Furnace. I mean I'd like to think Hazell contributed at least one positive thing to the history of Purdue.
 
PUQBMan. said:
Wait, so you and all of the other infallible football experts that called everyone else idiots and other names because they wanted the coach fired midseason are wrong?
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Yep. He and TC4THREE were both all over me and a few other realists for being excited that we moved beyond Darrell Hazell. Both don't understand branding or statistics.

I'm shocked that he flipped to the light, but better late than never I guess.
 
PUQBMan. said:
Wait, so you and all of the other infallible football experts that called everyone else idiots and other names because they wanted the coach fired midseason are wrong?
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The biggest issue I had with it was the assumption that the date of fire was going to have any impact to on the field results.

It won't. What I mis-estimated are the tons of positive press we would get linked to some of the top names out there as far as replacement coaches (minus Miles...that's an epic dead end).

Purdue and PJ Fleck are talked about multiple times an hour as being a fit across all types of broadcast media. That's not a bad thing. Even established fan bases that want him like LSU and Baylor seem resigned that they have no shot and he's bound for us and our situation.

I think the biggest difference is that the fans who were screaming for him to be fired were bitter and punitive and as bad as Hazell had been and as much as he deserved to get fired I think he deserved to be treated with more respect than he had on this board. I never disagreed that he should be canned, I just disagreed with timing...mostly because I presumed the only press we would get is negative.

So yes, your punitive petulence had a great unintended consequence.

I bet you thought we were going to hire a new and working coach right away and have them on the sidelines the next day...
 
pboiler18 said:
about it being useless for us to fire Hazell before November.

All the mentions of Purdue and PJ Fleck together have me giddy with excitement. Lots of fan bases that REALLY want him (LSU and Baylor specifically) all seem convinced he's ours to lose.

Baylor thinks he won't touch them because the corrupt admin that pushed Briles out is still there.

LSU fans think they won't take a shot on a guy with no P5 experience.

Both of these fan bases cite our new facility and aggressive new comittment via a new AD and message change as to why we will nab him. I can't wait. This guy has Urban Meyer part 2 written all over him. Let's be honest, the only way we are ever going to get one of these guys is on the way up.

I don't want this type of guy on the way down...like a Leslie Miles.
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You realize most initial talk in mid-October about coaches/open positions is garbage, right?

That goes for Fleck, Miles, etc.

Fleck isn't going anywhere until his season is over (at least regular) and you better believe he'll wait for all offers.

Usually the first people on a list of potential coaches don't tend to come to fruition...

I wouldn't put much weight in anything related to Miles, Fleck, Briles or whoever.
 
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I bet you thought we were going to hire a new and working coach right away and have them on the sidelines the next day...
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No, because I actually understand the process of how these things work. I wanted Haze gone for the exact reasons that you flipped your opinion. The dude was a cancer, and I didn't want him around to pollute our program any more. However, I will bet that we see better on-field performance from our players now that he is gone. It may not come in the form of wins, but the energy level will be much better and we will be more competitive.
 
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PUQBMan. said:
No, because I actually understand the process of how these things work. I wanted Haze gone for the exact reasons that you flipped your opinion. The dude was a cancer, and I didn't want him around to pollute our program any more. However, I will bet that we see better on-field performance from our players now that he is gone. It may not come in the form of wins, but the energy level will be much better and we will be more competitive.
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Agreed.

Heard Parker on "The Purdue Football Show" last night, and I heard more passion out of him in 15 minutes than in 4 years of The Haze.

3 of my biggest reasons for wanting the change now:

1. What do we have to lose? Nothing. On field performance sucks, recruiting class is poor once again. Who knows, these 2 areas might even improve with Parker at the helm.

2. You cannot tell me MBob can conduct as aggressive a search with the Haze still on board as he can without him.

3. Gives coaching prospects time to really think about the job. I believe the more they learn about our situation, the more interest they will have.
 
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No, because I actually understand the process of how these things work. I wanted Haze gone for the exact reasons that you flipped your opinion. The dude was a cancer, and I didn't want him around to pollute our program any more. However, I will bet that we see better on-field performance from our players now that he is gone. It may not come in the form of wins, but the energy level will be much better and we will be more competitive.
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We won't be any better....or worse....this year after the firing on the field. I think the "cancer" angle is a VERY disingenuous angle to take. Are you on the team? Do you know this for a fact? The answer is....you don't. Unless PUQBMAN is David Blough.

I feel that the talent has been our #1 issue this year. Not the effort or the prep. That definitely falls on the coach but to suggest he was intentionally "polluting" our program is pretty disrespectful. Again....more whining from the fire Hazell crowd. I saw a guy who was trying his hardest but was outmatched physically on the field and mentally by most coaching staffs. Not a guy who was purposefully trying to make Purdue bad.

I take an issue with your stance. We can agree that Hazell was a bad coach but disagree that he was some super agent for the other 6 teams in the division who was sent to take Purdue out of competitiveness.
 
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We won't be any better....or worse....this year after the firing on the field. I think the "cancer" angle is a VERY disingenuous angle to take. Are you on the team? Do you know this for a fact? The answer is....you don't. Unless PUQBMAN is David Blough.

I feel that the talent has been our #1 issue this year. Not the effort or the prep. That definitely falls on the coach but to suggest he was intentionally "polluting" our program is pretty disrespectful. Again....more whining from the fire Hazell crowd. I saw a guy who was trying his hardest but was outmatched physically on the field and mentally by most coaching staffs. Not a guy who was purposefully trying to make Purdue bad.

I take an issue with your stance. We can agree that Hazell was a bad coach but disagree that he was some super agent for the other 6 teams in the division who was sent to take Purdue out of competitiveness.
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My take is not that he was a double agent but he did not inspire his troops. He was professional to a fault. I get that there are different styles of leadership, but when you're dealing with young men, extrinsic motivation and energy need to be a part of the equation. Per his comments Parker and the staff are keying in on this very thing. Danny Anthrop said he would run through a brick wall for Parker. Did anyone ever say that about Hazell?
 
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My take is not that he was a double agent but he did not inspire his troops. He was professional to a fault. I get that there are different styles of leadership, but when you're dealing with young men, extrinsic motivation and energy need to be a part of the equation. Per his comments Parker and the staff are keying in on this very thing. Danny Anthrop said he would run through a brick wall for Parker. Did anyone ever say that about Hazell?
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I can agree with your take. Your take is not what was being pushed by others in this thread.

Hazell was the stiff, professional, CEO type. That's what he learned and that's what he was emulating.

Not many of those types are successful in CFB to be honest. Even Saban isn't stoic. I would say the closest thing you'd see as far as sideline demeanor to Hazell of popular coaches would be Urban Meyer....but obviously Urbs has a lot of substance and does not have issues relating to his players wheras I think Hazell put up that stoic wall and didn't realize that you have to take it down when the cameras aren't on, let players in, bond, push motivate....all that.

To insinuate that Hazell wasn't trying is just silly, which is exactly the narrative pushed by many on this board.
 
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I can agree with your take. Your take is not what was being pushed by others in this thread.

Hazell was the stiff, professional, CEO type. That's what he learned and that's what he was emulating.

Not many of those types are successful in CFB to be honest. Even Saban isn't stoic. I would say the closest thing you'd see as far as sideline demeanor to Hazell of popular coaches would be Urban Meyer....but obviously Urbs has a lot of substance and does not have issues relating to his players wheras I think Hazell put up that stoic wall and didn't realize that you have to take it down when the cameras aren't on, let players in, bond, push motivate....all that.

To insinuate that Hazell wasn't trying is just silly, which is exactly the narrative pushed by many on this board.
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I missed the "not trying" narrative, not sure who said what.. not worth rehashing. Just throwing in my $.02 that I believe a change in energy and motivation alone may be enough to win a game or two. Everything else I agree with.
 
I can't believe all this Fleck love. We just fired a MAC coach...who took over after we fired an FCS coach. Maybe we should aim a little higher. It's not like Fleck beat UM or OSU this year. He beat Northwestern and Illinois. WE BEAT ILLINOIS for Pete's sake. Plus he'll bring those cringeworthy "traditions" with him. To quote Pete Towshend, "God, there's got to be another way!"
 
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I can't believe all this Fleck love. We just fired a MAC coach...who took over after we fired an FCS coach. Maybe we should aim a little higher. It's not like Fleck beat UM or OSU this year. He beat Northwestern and Illinois. WE BEAT ILLINOIS for Pete's sake. Plus he'll bring those cringeworthy "traditions" with him. To quote Pete Towshend, "God, there's got to be another way!"
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Here's what you're not getting.....it's his recruiting. He has a MAC team out recruting 5 or 6 BIG teams. He has them beating them on the field too.

His energy is infectious.

Literally the only thing he and Hazell have in common is that they came from a MAC school. That's it. They both won in the MAC for different reasons....Fleck's being sustainable at other places. If you can recruit at WMU at a high level you can do very well at a school like Purdue.

A top tier recruiter is exactly what we need. If you think our downfalls on the field over the past 8 years have been all coaching you don't know how football works. When we play a better than average team.....they have better than the below average talent we have and win. Its that simple. Fix the talent gap, fix the program.
 
pboiler18 said:
We won't be any better....or worse....this year after the firing on the field. I think the "cancer" angle is a VERY disingenuous angle to take. Are you on the team? Do you know this for a fact? The answer is....you don't. Unless PUQBMAN is David Blough.

I feel that the talent has been our #1 issue this year. Not the effort or the prep. That definitely falls on the coach but to suggest he was intentionally "polluting" our program is pretty disrespectful. Again....more whining from the fire Hazell crowd. I saw a guy who was trying his hardest but was outmatched physically on the field and mentally by most coaching staffs. Not a guy who was purposefully trying to make Purdue bad.

I take an issue with your stance. We can agree that Hazell was a bad coach but disagree that he was some super agent for the other 6 teams in the division who was sent to take Purdue out of competitiveness.
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Where did I say that he was some super agent? Jumping to hyperbole is not an effective counter-argument. I didn't say anything about his character. In fact, I think he is a great human being. The man was terrible for our program, however. He was obviously not trying to sabotage our program, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have been let go. If good intentions were all it took to coach at Purdue, anyone on this board could be head coach. So again, quit jumping to hyperboles and putting words into other people's comments to try to defend your incorrect impression that he should have been retained.
 
Hazel needed to go and I am very glad it happened mid-season. It shows all potential coaches that our AD has a pair and we are serious about rebuilding our football program. Waiting until the end of the season would look weak - like the AD had no choice but to let him go. Boiler Up!!
 
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Wait, so you and all of the other infallible football experts that called everyone else idiots and other names because they wanted the coach fired midseason are wrong?
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Yea look at all of the benefits............wait........there have been none so far.
 
One reason I liked the move was that it gives Parker a chance to prove he is capable of more responsibilities. The man JUST had a baby and had all the reasons in the world to stay the positional coach for the WR's (new baby at home, helping there as much as he can, would probably be easy for him to find another comparable job being that he is young and energetic)...but he stood up at the plate and is taking a giant swing with this chance. How can you not be at least some what awed by that type of character in a young man? I am sure the players know that and see that as well and we will see a much more energetic and at least bought in team than in years past. It may not provide wins but like another poster pointed out...what did the program have to lose? It was literally a win-win for the program to move away from Hazell. If the team loses out, you can still point the blame to Hazell and the culture he built up and was nearly impossible to break down in the span of 6 weeks. If Parker can lead the team to even 1 win and do so in an energetic fashion, MBob can point to the breaking of the previous culture and can point to improvements being made already under his watch.
 
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Tell me what tangible benefit there has been.
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It shows that our AD has a pair to any potential coach - and it shows that we are FINALLY serious about re-building our football program. We are done settling for a team that cannot compete. It is not going to affect the rest of the season as far as wins and losses - but it helps our image as "at least they give a sh--"
 
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Tell me what tangible benefit there has been.
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Bob the Boiler said:
It shows that our AD has a pair to any potential coach - and it shows that we are FINALLY serious about re-building our football program. We are done settling for a team that cannot compete. It is not going to affect the rest of the season as far as wins and losses - but it helps our image as "at least they give a sh--"
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All of this. In addition it shows the players that we care. The players are more energized, the fan base is more energized, and Purdue is being talked about by national media outlets about something other than being the laughingstock of the football world. Explain to me what benefits we would have from ignoring the obvious failure we had at coach and being so blindly resistant to change?
 
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All of this. In addition it shows the players that we care. The players are more energized, the fan base is more energized, and Purdue is being talked about by national media outlets about something other than being the laughingstock of the football world. Explain to me what benefits we would have from ignoring the obvious failure we had at coach and being so blindly resistant to change?
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How do you know the players are energized?

You don't. We will see tomorrow what, if any effect this has on the team. Hopeful it does....but let's be honest here. Again, if you think coaching was this teams biggest problem you don't know football.
 
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How do you know the players are energized?

You don't. We will see tomorrow what, if any effect this has on the team. Hopeful it does....but let's be honest here. Again, if you think coaching was this teams biggest problem you don't know football.
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Believe it or not, some people are a lot more linked in to this team than you are. Just because you don't have any knowledge on the team beyond what you read on this board does not mean that others don't.
 
Bob the Boiler said:
It shows that our AD has a pair to any potential coach - and it shows that we are FINALLY serious about re-building our football program. We are done settling for a team that cannot compete. It is not going to affect the rest of the season as far as wins and losses - but it helps our image as "at least they give a sh--"
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Nothing tangible. All speculative BS.

And does this mean we care more since we fired him mid-season rather than at the end of the season or whenever we hit 7 losses? Would we have cared more than we do right now if we had fired him after the Maryland game? I don't really buy that the earlier in the season indicates how much you care. It indicates how much you're willing to appease the whiny section of the fan base and little else.
 
pboiler18 said:
How do you know the players are energized?

You don't. We will see tomorrow what, if any effect this has on the team. Hopeful it does....but let's be honest here. Again, if you think coaching was this teams biggest problem you don't know football.
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I'll bite....enlighten me...what is the teams biggest problem that doesn't lead directly back to the former head coach? I'm talking about on the field...not funding or facilities...
 
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