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I leave this article on populism

Welp, as you've told me countless times, there are a large number of simple-minded Repulicans just like there are a large number of simple-minded Democrats. Unfortunately, they outnumber the serious-minded people on both sides and vote according to what seems simple, whether it's for pouring money into clean energy that doesn't work efficiently and keeping the various government programs they "need" or abolishing all forms of government while praising Jesus, admonishing anchor babies, and firing their six-shooters into the air.
 
Welp, as you've told me countless times, there are a large number of simple-minded Repulicans just like there are a large number of simple-minded Democrats. Unfortunately, they outnumber the serious-minded people on both sides and vote according to what seems simple, whether it's for pouring money into clean energy that doesn't work efficiently and keeping the various government programs they "need" or abolishing all forms of government while praising Jesus, admonishing anchor babies, and firing their six-shooters into the air.

That you equate "clean energy investment" with the latter is quite frankly ridiculous. The money we "pour" into clean energy is minuscule. We "pour" way more money into national defense then we do into many "various government programs" (and some of those programs work just fine). Unless you are talking medicare/SS, and the alternative to that is old people eating cat food.

From the article: "The Democratic version tends to be both performative and substantive — they’ll rail against the top one percent, but also offer policy ideas like upper-income tax increases and minimum wage hikes that are intended to serve the interests of regular people. Democratic populism says that the problem is largely about power: who has it, who doesn’t, and on whose behalf it’s wielded."

These are serious not "simple" questions. That you think the left may "get it wrong" is different from whether it is "simple-minded" or not.

"Republican populism, on the other hand, is aimed against “elites” that are decidedly not economic. It’s the egghead professors, the Hollywood liberals, the government bureaucrats whom they tell their voters to resent and despise. And part of that argument is that despite what those know-it-all experts would have you believe, all our problems have simple and easy solutions. All you need is “common sense” to know how we should reform our health care system, fix the VA, or control undocumented immigration. Understanding how government works isn’t just unnecessary, it’s actually a hindrance to getting things done."

The alternative republican version should be at least what we got out of the 70s and 80s. I think those economic theories were ridiculously wrong, but they also weren't "simple-minded."
Reagan talked about government badly but in reality he used it quite often and at the end of the day clearly recognized the necessary government, as did Bush I.

Now, it's no longer Dem theory v Rep theory...it's Dem theories v. Rep "just get rid of government because it's all bad"
The anti-intellectual strain didn't use to be a part of conservatism...the Buckley's of the world, while hideous to someone like me, certainly tried to bring an intellectual bent to conservatism...now, it's all gut and common sense, as if macroeconomics is just really easy, and all those stupid liberal eggheads with their books and learnin are all screwing it up.
 
That you equate "clean energy investment" with the latter is quite frankly ridiculous. The money we "pour" into clean energy is minuscule. We "pour" way more money into national defense then we do into many "various government programs" (and some of those programs work just fine). Unless you are talking medicare/SS, and the alternative to that is old people eating cat food.

From the article: "The Democratic version tends to be both performative and substantive — they’ll rail against the top one percent, but also offer policy ideas like upper-income tax increases and minimum wage hikes that are intended to serve the interests of regular people. Democratic populism says that the problem is largely about power: who has it, who doesn’t, and on whose behalf it’s wielded."

These are serious not "simple" questions. That you think the left may "get it wrong" is different from whether it is "simple-minded" or not.

"Republican populism, on the other hand, is aimed against “elites” that are decidedly not economic. It’s the egghead professors, the Hollywood liberals, the government bureaucrats whom they tell their voters to resent and despise. And part of that argument is that despite what those know-it-all experts would have you believe, all our problems have simple and easy solutions. All you need is “common sense” to know how we should reform our health care system, fix the VA, or control undocumented immigration. Understanding how government works isn’t just unnecessary, it’s actually a hindrance to getting things done."

The alternative republican version should be at least what we got out of the 70s and 80s. I think those economic theories were ridiculously wrong, but they also weren't "simple-minded."
Reagan talked about government badly but in reality he used it quite often and at the end of the day clearly recognized the necessary government, as did Bush I.

Now, it's no longer Dem theory v Rep theory...it's Dem theories v. Rep "just get rid of government because it's all bad"
The anti-intellectual strain didn't use to be a part of conservatism...the Buckley's of the world, while hideous to someone like me, certainly tried to bring an intellectual bent to conservatism...now, it's all gut and common sense, as if macroeconomics is just really easy, and all those stupid liberal eggheads with their books and learnin are all screwing it up.
Yes, liberals are all bastions of intelligence and cons are all dumb gun toting God worshippers. Got it.

People are stupid. Both sides. The majority is made up of people who vote on one or two issues that directly concern them and are often oversimplified.
 
Yes, liberals are all bastions of intelligence and cons are all dumb gun toting God worshippers. Got it.

People are stupid. Both sides. The majority is made up of people who vote on one or two issues that directly concern them and are often oversimplified.

Sigh...so in a post where I said some republicans, particularly many in the past, were in fact not dumb (and said nothing about gun toting and absolutely nothing about being religious and since I've spent a whole series of acrimonious posts with ecouch defending religious beliefs not all that long ago, such a position would be 180 degrees from anything I've ever posted on here), talked about conservative intellectualism and Buckley, and literally said "there are serious minded republicans"...

What you took from that is "cons are all dumb gun toting God worshippers."

And you wonder why I say you don't read jack shit I type but instead just make up whatever you think an uber liberal is and respond as if that person had typed what you imagine that person would think.
 
Sigh...so in a post where I said some republicans, particularly many in the past, were in fact not dumb (and said nothing about gun toting and absolutely nothing about being religious and since I've spent a whole series of acrimonious posts with ecouch defending religious beliefs not all that long ago, such a position would be 180 degrees from anything I've ever posted on here), talked about conservative intellectualism and Buckley, and literally said "there are serious minded republicans"...

What you took from that is "cons are all dumb gun toting God worshippers."

And you wonder why I say you don't read jack shit I type but instead just make up whatever you think an uber liberal is and respond as if that person had typed what you imagine that person would think.
It's less that you acknowledge that there are serious minded cons and more that you apparently think all or at least most liberals are brilliant, intelligent higher-order thinkers. My point being that you could write that exact article about liberals too.
 
It's less that you acknowledge that there are serious minded cons and more that you apparently think all or at least most liberals are brilliant, intelligent higher-order thinkers. My point being that you could write that exact article about liberals too.

No, it's actually more like it USED to be that conservative and liberal high level thinkers had impact in their parties and engaged each other, but now one party has turned itself over to the more simpled minded folks, which several CONSERVATIVE folks have decried but are being shouted down.

No, you can't actually write the same article about liberals...and up until Bush, Jr came along, you really couldn't write it about conservatives either.
 
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No, it's actually more like it USED to be that conservative and liberal high level thinkers had impact in their parties and engaged each other, but now one party has turned itself over to the more simpled minded folks, which several CONSERVATIVE folks have decried but are being shouted down.

No, you can't actually write the same article about liberals...and up until Bush, Jr came along, you really couldn't write it about conservatives either.
Well, that's fair to say... For now... Until Bernie becomes a real threat to Hill...
 
That article reminded me of Obama. When he addressed the nation on the ACA he said I was not the first person to address/try to fix health care in this country but I will be the last.(paraphrased) Pretty much implied that everyone else serving before him was an idiot, was not smart enough to figure it out but he could. Come to think of it, sounds like most politicians in general.

Anyway, go fix the minimum wage, was in a Panera Bread the other day, and I now order food via kiosk with a computer........"performative and substantive" alright. That will keep that demographic on handouts/welfare/foodstamps which ensures voting democrat.
 
Well, that's fair to say... For now... Until Bernie becomes a real threat to Hill...

What policies of Bernie are "simple-minded?" I get that they are too liberal for you and you don't like them. I get that you think they aren't workable and wrong. But they are not "simple-minded." I like many of them, some of them I don't think will ever get passed so it's a waste of time, and I prefer Hillary as someone more likely to get stuff done, but he isn't proposing 30 dollar an hour minimum wage, or really anything that doesn't have some thought behind it, even if you think it wrong.
 
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