I’m so glad we aren’t sitting around desperately hoping that Michael Penix will save us

[BoilerFYF]

remember those days? Needing JB Paxson or Selwyn Lymon to make up for the fact that I’m the trenches, it just wasn’t happening.

That’s where I see the bucket game going, If not earlier than that .. Indiana continues to lack the effectiveness you need up front and on defense. No Lorenzo neals, Jake thienemans our Markus baileys. No Kirk Barron or Grant Hermanns.

And that’s what I suspect that ice cream man who coaches them knows. What do you do when you put Michael Penix in and it doesn’t make anything better? What do you do if things get worse? How do you continue to sell “next year”...?

 

[Bullwhip Griffith]

Who is Michael Penix?

 

[BoilerFYF]

Who is Michael Penix?

Lmao touché

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Who is Michael Penix?

IU's freshman QB.

Haven't read anything saying they are thinking of playing Penix ahead of Ramsey at this point...but wonder if there are rumblings considering they may struggle to gain some traction the rest of the season:

PSU @ IU: PSU 90.3%
IU @ Minny: Minny 66.7%
Maryland @ IU: Maryland 51.7%
IU @ Michigan: UM 94.9%
Purdue @ IU: Purdue 64.8%

IU is currently not favored to win any games moving forward. If IU does in fact lose to PSU and Minny, I wouldn't be surprised to see Penix get the start against Maryland at home to try to get a win there...play Ramsey against UM...and bring Penix back for Purdue. Doing that would retain his RS by only seeing time in 4 games.

 

[BoilerFYF]

IU's freshman QB.

Haven't read anything saying they are thinking of playing Penix ahead of Ramsey at this point...but wonder if there are rumblings considering they may struggle to gain some traction the rest of the season:

PSU @ IU: PSU 90.3%
IU @ Minny: Minny 66.7%
Maryland @ IU: Maryland 51.7%
IU @ Michigan: UM 94.9%
Purdue @ IU: Purdue 64.8%

IU is currently not favored to win any games moving forward. If IU does in fact lose to PSU and Minny, I wouldn't be surprised to see Penix get the start against Maryland at home to try to get a win there...play Ramsey against UM...and bring Penix back for Purdue. Doing that would retain his RS by only seeing time in 4 games.

I check out other teams pressers if it’s slow at work and gbi is slow on info. You can get a lot of insight on what to expect I think.. the IU press is pushing it hard

 

[SIBoiler2]

Penix is IU's version of Purdue's Plummer that a few on here were calling for in the first three games of the season. The fictitious freshman savior when the team is struggling.

 

[Bullwhip Griffith]

Penix is IU's version of Purdue's Plummer that a few on here were calling for in the first three games of the season. The fictitious freshman savior when the team is struggling.

I was thinking more Etling.

Team couldn’t score, or stop the other team from scoring, but somehow starting an unready 4 Star QB would solve all issues.

Instead it ruined Etling

 

[IronChefBBQ]

Aren’t we hoping that a certain local player will cure our (lack of) pass rush, however..?

 

[Knights2715]

Aren’t we hoping that a certain local player will cure our (lack of) pass rush, however..?

Yes, but imo GK is a better recruit and pass rushers are more plug and play than QB’s

 

[BoilerFYF]

I was thinking more Etling.

Team couldn’t score, or stop the other team from scoring, but somehow starting an unready 4 Star QB would solve all issues.

Instead it ruined Etling

This is so spot on. I really hope that “Penix is gonna save us” moment comes when we go up 24-7 v. IU in their place

 

[FirstDownB]

Yes, but imo GK is a better recruit and pass rushers are more plug and play than QB’s

As evidenced by the instant upgrade when Holt started sliding Barnes to Leo on passing downs.

 

[BoilerFYF]

Aren’t we hoping that a certain local player will cure our (lack of) pass rush, however..?

A logical hope first off. He’s a 5 Star on 247 and dominated other elite recruits at a camp.

Also, our pass rush has gone from “always nonexistent period” to “below average/mediocre with the front four, but pretty good with blitzers.” You’re looking at adding 3 recruits rated 5.7 or higher to the front four on a total defense that loses 1-2 starters (Blackmon and Cason will Be addition by subtraction) and adds a ton of talented redshirt freshmen who won’t be needed as as starters.

Also, we didn’t just get blown out at home by a non blue blood and we aren’t currently sitting at 4 wins BUT also favored in zero remaining contests.

Apples and oranges

 

[BoilerFYF]

As evidenced by the instant upgrade when Holt started sliding Barnes to Leo on passing downs.

I’d like to see him there permanently in all games except wisky, Iowa and maybe Minny. He’s not good in space especially against the pass and if you look at it, 4-5 of the team’s remaining aren’t going to bowl over a front seven of:

SSDE reviere
DT Watts
NT Neal
WDE Barnes
LB Bailey
MLB Jones
NB Thieneman or LB Larry

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I’d like to see him there permanently in all games except wisky, Iowa and maybe Minny. He’s not good in space especially against the pass and if you look at it, 4-5 of the team’s remaining aren’t going to bowl over a front seven of:

SSDE reviere
DT Watts
NT Neal
WDE Barnes
LB Bailey
MLB Jones
NB Thieneman or LB Larry

I think you'd see Thieneman still playing SS but you'd bring in Cason as the NB with Blackmon and Majors in at the CB's with Smiley at the FS

CB: Majors
FS: Smiley
SS: Thieneman
CB: Blackmon
NB: Cason/Mackey
SAM: Bailey
MLB: Jones
LEO: Barnes
DE: Reviere
DT: Watts
NT: Neal

This gets Mosley out of the back end who has been pretty awful in pass coverage along with sliding Cason to a specific role rather than placing him on an island where he has consistently been beaten. However, I wouldn't mind seeing Mackey playing the NB as well if Cason struggles.

 

[Pu71indy]

Wouldn't be knocking IU. They played OSU tough for 3 qtrs and Ramsey threw for over 300 yrds.
Also, beat Virginia team that handled Miami....of Florida not Ohio. Let's see how we do against OSU.

 

[arcb102000]

71, the transitive property of sports never works.

However well we do against O$U has nothing to do with how well Purdue does against IU, barring serious injury. Having said that, Purdue is better than IU and will beat them soundly.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Wouldn't be knocking IU. They played OSU tough for 3 qtrs and Ramsey threw for over 300 yrds.
Also, beat Virginia team that handled Miami....of Florida not Ohio. Let's see how we do against OSU.

Oh, FFS, IU sucks. You’re using a moral victory where they lost by 23 points? Then they turn around and get blasted at home by Iowa 42-16? They are regressing to their normal state, as they typically do in BIG season. Their glorified HS is in over his head and they are getting pretty banged up on both sides of the ball. PSU is going to roll them - they are mad as hell after blowing the game vs MSU.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Wouldn't be knocking IU. They played OSU tough for 3 qtrs and Ramsey threw for over 300 yrds.
Also, beat Virginia team that handled Miami....of Florida not Ohio. Let's see how we do against OSU.

Indiana, up to this point, has actually had the harder schedule according to the SOS.

Purdue: 59
Indiana: 29

The issue is deeper fold than that. If you actually take the data and look at it deeper as they have done in the SP+ rannkings:

Purdue: 39
Indiana: 64

For their rationale, here is the link to what they do: S&P+ Rankings Explained

There is more to a team that simply the schedule and that is clearly evident in the S&P+ rankings. I've watched IU nearly every week along with Purdue...Purdue is the better team right now.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Indiana, up to this point, has actually had the harder schedule according to the SOS.

Purdue: 59
Indiana: 29

The issue is deeper fold than that. If you actually take the data and look at it deeper as they have done in the SP+ rannkings:

Purdue: 39
Indiana: 64

For their rationale, here is the link to what they do: S&P+ Rankings Explained

There is more to a team that simply the schedule and that is clearly evident in the S&P+ rankings. I've watched IU nearly every week along with Purdue...Purdue is the better team right now.

IU played OSU and MSU which skews their SOS for now. We still play both of those teams.

Our OOC schedule was by far harder than theirs.

 

[BoilerFYF]

I think you'd see Thieneman still playing SS but you'd bring in Cason as the NB with Blackmon and Majors in at the CB's with Smiley at the FS

CB: Majors
FS: Smiley
SS: Thieneman
CB: Blackmon
NB: Cason/Mackey
SAM: Bailey
MLB: Jones
LEO: Barnes
DE: Reviere
DT: Watts
NT: Neal

This gets Mosley out of the back end who has been pretty awful in pass coverage along with sliding Cason to a specific role rather than placing him on an island where he has consistently been beaten. However, I wouldn't mind seeing Mackey playing the NB as well if Cason struggles.

Mosley was good last year no?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Mosley was good last year no?

Poor in pass coverage. Against Whisky, I wouldn't be opposed but against OSU I want as many guys who are able to defend the deep ball. Thieneman will be expected to get downhill and provide help in the run game so having a FS who is better at helping defend the play-action pass in the deep part of the field is essential. Mosley has constantly proven he looks in the backfield to frequently or is late in his rotation....

:20 seconds of the BC highlights you'll see Mosley late in his covering the middle part of the field...he allows the QB to move him off his spot which makes him late getting back to help the seam route by the TE.


1:13 of the Nebraska highlights show Mosley poor in coming up in the run game to make a tackle. Leads to a 35 yard run. He does the same poor support in the run game at 3:33 of the same highlight film.


At :10 of the Illinois highlights, you see Mosley again getting his eyes caught in the backfield and allowing two Illinois WR's to get behind him. In actuality, Bush missed the player that could have scored on that play and that was Mosley's fault.

 

[BoilerFYF]

Poor in pass coverage. Against Whisky, I wouldn't be opposed but against OSU I want as many guys who are able to defend the deep ball. Thieneman will be expected to get downhill and provide help in the run game so having a FS who is better at helping defend the play-action pass in the deep part of the field is essential. Mosley has constantly proven he looks in the backfield to frequently or is late in his rotation....

:20 seconds of the BC highlights you'll see Mosley late in his covering the middle part of the field...he allows the QB to move him off his spot which makes him late getting back to help the seam route by the TE.

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1:13 of the Nebraska highlights show Mosley poor in coming up in the run game to make a tackle. Leads to a 35 yard run. He does the same poor support in the run game at 3:33 of the same highlight film.

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At :10 of the Illinois highlights, you see Mosley again getting his eyes caught in the backfield and allowing two Illinois WR's to get behind him. In actuality, Bush missed the player that could have scored on that play and that was Mosley's fault.

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Didn’t mosley have a few high impact picks? Do you believe the coaches believe Simeon smiley is better?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Didn’t mosley have a few high impact picks? Do you believe the coaches believe Simeon smiley is better?

I'm just not confident any time an opposing team send a WR deep on his side of the field....for instance, last week my good friend who went to the Illinois game heard me say....'Oh S***' a lot whenever Bush had a decent amount of time and a WR was deep (which usually meant there was a guy running really open down field).

 

[Bullwhip Griffith]

Moot now for IU; Penix done for year

 

[BoilerFYF]

Moot now for IU; Penix done for year

lol (not at his injury, that’s unfortunate); what’s their miracle plan now

 

[Ignacious McNutt]

lol (not at his injury, that’s unfortunate); what’s their miracle plan now

I think just getting through the season is their best plan.