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How often do people use guns in self defense

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That's the name of the video, but there's a lot packed into the conversation. They talk about universal background checks, how Democrat gun laws dis-proportionally harm minority communities, general Democratic hypocrisy, media narratives and much more.

 
BNIBoiler said:
Yeah like shooting a black woman through the freakin door standing next to her daughter as they were retrieving a tablet that the shooter took from them.
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Video shows gunman nonchalantly shooting homeless man execution-style in broad daylight in St. Louis

“Oh my god. He just f—ing killed him,” said a bystander who caught the execution-style shooting on video.
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Boilermaker03 said:
I'm not sure why you are posting this, because this is obviously not a defensive use of a firearm. Try to stick to the topic at hand please.
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In the feeble mind of the woman it was. That’s going to be her defense. Similar to the man on Missouri that shot the 14 year old through the door. He’ll be using that stupid stand your ground law in his case.
 
BNIBoiler said:
In the feeble mind of the woman it was. That’s going to be her defense. Similar to the man on Missouri that shot the 14 year old through the door. He’ll be using that stupid stand your ground law in his case.
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Well of course she's going to claim that. She has no other defense.
 
I knew a close friend who killed himself with a gun from his parents' home as a college student at Purdue. I know a coworker and a customer that had children kill themselves with a gun that was in the home. I did business with a guy that killed his wife in a domestic dispute, and then killed himself. I have a friend that was shot during a robbery.

Unless they just never told me, I don't know a single person that used a gun to protect themselves in an actual incident. Maybe the possibility of an armed home owner has deterred break-ins, but that's just speculation. I've considered keeping a gun for personal protection for years, and those anecdotal cases are why I have always choose not to. I'll continue to support the rights of responsible gun owners, while also supporting reasonable laws to balance gun ownership with public safety. I wish this wasn't such a political issue.
 
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Peabodius said:
I knew a close friend who killed himself with a gun from his parents' home as a college student at Purdue. I know a coworker and a customer that had children kill themselves with a gun that was in the home. I did business with a guy that killed his wife in a domestic dispute, and then killed himself. I have a friend that was shot during a robbery.

Unless they just never told me, I don't know a single person that used a gun to protect themselves in an actual incident. Maybe the possibility of an armed home owner has deterred break-ins, but that's just speculation. I've considered keeping a gun for personal protection for years, and those anecdotal cases are why I have always choose not to. I'll continue to support the rights of responsible gun owners, while also supporting reasonable laws to balance gun ownership with public safety. I wish this wasn't such a political issue.
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You must be in the grouping of the rarest of the rare to have known that many people personally affected in such a way.

There are roughly 36,000 gun deaths each year. 60% are suicide. The exact number of people that use a gun for defensive purposes is hard to narrow down, because of exactly what you said. They don't typically get reported. It is estimated that there are between 500,000 to 3 million defensive uses of guns per year.

I think what gets lost here is that we have plenty of laws on the books that aren't enforced or do nothing to stop gun violence. At some point we need to realize that guns aren't the issue, it's people. A gun is just a tool and has many things it can be used for. It takes a person to use it improperly and more laws are only going to impede law abiding citizens. Most shootings happen by guns attained illegally. If that's the case then what is passing more laws going to do to stop shootings? The answer is next to nothing.
 
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TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong said:
I know you're scared of black people, but just saying "Chicago!" and shitting your pants is not an effectual argument.
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Can't you do better than that, Ted? Are you just another knee-jerk lib who, like the dem elites who run Chicago, doesn't care about young black kids shooting themselves to death?

Happy Juneteenth week to you.

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Peabodius said:
I knew a close friend who killed himself with a gun from his parents' home as a college student at Purdue. I know a coworker and a customer that had children kill themselves with a gun that was in the home. I did business with a guy that killed his wife in a domestic dispute, and then killed himself. I have a friend that was shot during a robbery.

Unless they just never told me, I don't know a single person that used a gun to protect themselves in an actual incident. Maybe the possibility of an armed home owner has deterred break-ins, but that's just speculation. I've considered keeping a gun for personal protection for years, and those anecdotal cases are why I have always choose not to. I'll continue to support the rights of responsible gun owners, while also supporting reasonable laws to balance gun ownership with public safety. I wish this wasn't such a political issue.
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TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong said:
Multiple studies have shown that gun laws do in fact save lives.

www.aafp.org

Gun Violence, Prevention of (Position Paper)

Read AAFP's position on the prevention of gun violence.
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Chicago used to have some of the most stringent gun laws in the country, yet it has a huge gun crime and murder rate.
Is it a gun problem, or a criminal problem?
 
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Riveting- said:
Can't you do better than that, Ted? Are you just another knee-jerk lib who, like the dem elites who run Chicago, doesn't care about young black kids shooting themselves to death?

Happy Juneteenth week to you.

www.cbsnews.com

Mass shooting during Juneteenth celebration in Willowbrook leaves 1 dead, 22 hurt

Police confirmed Reggie Meadows, 31, of Willowbrook was killed in the shooting.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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Tragic. Unfortunately for you and your opinion, gun laws still save lives.
 
TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong said:
Multiple studies have shown that gun laws do in fact save lives.

www.aafp.org

Gun Violence, Prevention of (Position Paper)

Read AAFP's position on the prevention of gun violence.
www.aafp.org www.aafp.org
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Which gun laws? Just any gun law? Should we just start throwing laws on the books to reduce gun violence? I'm sure there are a few that work, but many that we have now do little to nothing. Almost all that are currently being proposed will do little to nothing. The biggest thing they will do would be to further erode the constitutional right we've been given.



Here's the summary from the link you provided.

Summary​

As clinicians, family physicians can help prevent gun violence in their practice and within their communities by proper screening and treatment of depression, screening for IPV, referring patients to appropriate services, and talking with patients about the safe storage and handling of guns.

Outside of the exam room, family physicians can help prevent suicide and intentional injuries and deaths by advocating for gun violence research funding and gun control legislation at the community, state, and federal levels. To gain a better understanding of gun violence and potential solutions, it is essential that the U.S. Congress implements research funding to create evidence-based strategies to combat and prevent gun violence.

Gun violence in the U.S. is a public health epidemic. Using comprehensive, interdisciplinary approaches, and working in collaboration with other public health professionals, family physicians can play an imperative role in the reduction of gun violence.



I 100% agree with the bold section. Proper screening for depression and other mental health issues will be huge in stopping gun deaths.

Outside of that, I see nothing here that suggests they have evidence that laws/legislation actually works. It talks about the need to provide funding to research it, but that's it.

The vast vast vast majority of gun violence are suicides (60% of the total) and gang violence. Outside of those two factors, gun violence is nearly non existent, especially considering the number of guns owned in America as well as the fact that the defensive uses of guns vastly overshadow the violent crime statistics.
 
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Boilermaker03 said:
You must be in the grouping of the rarest of the rare to have known that many people personally affected in such a way.

There are roughly 36,000 gun deaths each year. 60% are suicide. The exact number of people that use a gun for defensive purposes is hard to narrow down, because of exactly what you said. They don't typically get reported. It is estimated that there are between 500,000 to 3 million defensive uses of guns per year.

I think what gets lost here is that we have plenty of laws on the books that aren't enforced or do nothing to stop gun violence. At some point we need to realize that guns aren't the issue, it's people. A gun is just a tool and has many things it can be used for. It takes a person to use it improperly and more laws are only going to impede law abiding citizens. Most shootings happen by guns attained illegally. If that's the case then what is passing more laws going to do to stop shootings? The answer is next to nothing. I'm writing a paper on that issue and http://essaypapers.reviews/ is amazing helper
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Some time ago, I wanted all the guns to be banned. I used to read about all the shootings and other gun violence cases and thought that banning would solve the problem. But you're right; it's all about people. Banning laws won't make them less aggressive, and they will find another tool
 
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