landing top 10 recruits where ever he goes & CMP only has 1 in 13 years? Don't tell me Purdue is inferior to Mizzu & Cal.
He hired both players' Dad.landing top 10 recruits where ever he goes & CMP only has 1 in 13 years? Don't tell me Purdue is inferior to Mizzu & Cal.
landing top 10 recruits where ever he goes & CMP only has 1 in 13 years? Don't tell me Purdue is inferior to Mizzu & Cal.
CMP has not lit the world on fire as a coach... if anything, I'd say his recruiting skill are better than his coaching skills....Simple....Zo is a better recruiter. End of story. (And note, I did not say better coach).
You know he just coached a team to a Big Ten championship (by 2 games), right?CMP has not lit the world on fire as a coach... if anything, I'd say his recruiting skill are better than his coaching skills....
Umm...so did Crean the year before.....You know he just coached a team to a Big Ten championship (by 2 games), right?
Yep, but it's been established that Crean, with the IU brand behind him, was a good recruiter.Umm...so did Crean the year before.....
I said, if anything, his recruiting skills are ahead of his coaching skills. I've never complained about the players he's landed... though I get tired of the excuse that Purdue can't land 5* players. Zo has shown that any program has that ability... thus the point of the thread. With 3 NBA bigs over 2 years, I would hope 1 B1G regular season championship would be the floor...Yep, but it's been established that Crean, with the IU brand behind him, was a good recruiter.
You appear to be unconvinced Painter is either a good coach or recruiter. So how did he win the Big Ten by two games?
And now we know to not take you seriously.CMP has not lit the world on fire as a coach... if anything, I'd say his recruiting skill are better than his coaching skills....
I said, if anything, his recruiting skills are ahead of his coaching skills. I've never complained about the players he's landed... though I get tired of the excuse that Purdue can't land 5* players. Zo has shown that any program has that ability... thus the point of the thread. With 3 NBA bigs over 2 years, I would hope 1 B1G regular season championship would be the floor...
Exactly right. To reach the level CMP has with NCAA appearances means you are winning a lot of games and you don't win that amount of games if you aren't a very good coach.I strongly disagree CMP's recruiting skill is above his coaching. He is an excellent coach, and the lists above show that.
If I would have to evaluate CMP's weaknesses.... it is his inability to lock down a few recruits from Indiana on a regular basis, as well as land more top 40 guys(especially when they are right here in Indiana).
However, to his credit CMP has shown great ability to expand recruiting boundaries & recruit on a midwest & national basis lately as an example bringing in guys like DM, VE, CE & Haas, Eastern, Wheeler, etc..
USA basketball. Let me say that again USA basketball seems to think very highly of coach Painter.You know he just coached a team to a Big Ten championship (by 2 games), right?
I believe we should refer to that recent Painter interview . Painter recruits the players he wants to recruit rather than every 5 star player that's out there in the world. Painter is concerned about more things than just a player's ranking. Perhaps that is why his coaching record is successful. Zo, on the other hand recruits talent that doesn't always mesh together resulting in a poorer coaching record.
Good point. Where were his 5 stars when he was recruting for PU. To me there is something to be said about doing things the right way. Do I want national title for Purdue Men's basketball. Of course o do. Not at the cost of selling out though.Zo coached and recruited under Coach Painter at Purdue. No 5 star recruits then. We've seen many articles and have even been lucky enough to hear from players parents that Coach Painter recruits for culture and team fit over a me first type. He's also known to be brutally honest rather than crying to a recruit and his family. I'd love a final four, more 5 star recruits and a national championship, but I'm pretty happy with where Painter has this team going.
I think if you check the class rankings of Painter's recent classes, your ranking of 5/10 would seem to underrate his performance. This year's class is second in the BIG, and should have been first had not JJJ changed his mind. Don't know why you understate his recruiting?CMP is good coach 7.5/10. Average recruiter 5/10. I think you need a 7+/10 average on both to make the final four if not counting luck. I'm waiting to make my final judgement. I think he got three left on his contract.
I think if you check the class rankings of Painter's recent classes, your ranking of 5/10 would seem to underrate his performance. This year's class is second in the BIG, and should have been first had not JJJ changed his mind. Don't know why you understate his recruiting?
He also had 2 at Calboth players you're referencing are brothers, and Zo put their Dad on staff. I like Zo but that's playing in the world of Pitino and R Williams as far as doing anything to win. Those kids were going to whoever hired their Dad, they just happen to be from Missouri and Zo is looking to jumpstart the program.
Just means they didn't want to play for CMP. Most kids go to a school because of the coach, not the assistant.Zo coached and recruited under Coach Painter at Purdue. No 5 star recruits then. We've seen many articles and have even been lucky enough to hear from players parents that Coach Painter recruits for culture and team fit over a me first type. He's also known to be brutally honest rather than crying to a recruit and his family. I'd love a final four, more 5 star recruits and a national championship, but I'm pretty happy with where Painter has this team going.
USA basketball. Let me say that again USA basketball seems to think very highly of coach Painter.
I think if you check the class rankings of Painter's recent classes, your ranking of 5/10 would seem to underrate his performance. This year's class is second in the BIG, and should have been first had not JJJ changed his mind. Don't know why you understate his recruiting?
Didn't you start this thread complaining about recruiting?I've never complained about the players he's landed...
You are correct. I could have sworn I saw 247 rank us 2nd. Sorry about the misinformation. I did not intend to mislead.
He gets highly ranked kids but he basically does nothing with them. He's obviously not recruiting the right players or else he'd be winning more. Or he's getting the right guys and is a subpar coach. Stop crying about recruiting rankings and look at the results on the court.landing top 10 recruits where ever he goes & CMP only has 1 in 13 years? Don't tell me Purdue is inferior to Mizzu & Cal.
Link please to support your exaggeration?Most kids go to a school because of the coach, not the assistant.
So wait a sec, using your best players is now a bad thing? The rest of your statement about an average coach can ride top 3 players to a league title is just so ridiculous I am literally left with nothing to say.This is the worst excuse used regularly on this site. Who cares? What if he was brought in as a consultant for the president, or for an NBA team? Both would be impressive on a resume, but neither lead to Final 4's and championships or elite recruiting for Purdue. Good for CMP that USA basketball likes him. Unless it equates to NC's or Final 4's, it doesn't mean much to us as PURDUE fans.
As for winning the B1G last year, he did it by riding one of the top 3 players in college bball. Many average coaches can ride a top 3 player to a league title. Still in 12 years, nothing better than a few sweet 16's and 2 B1G championships. For comparison, recently fired Thad Matta in his first 12 years at OSU had 5 B1G championships, 3 elite 8's (a 4th at X before coming to OSU), 2 Final 4's and a NC runner up. Recently fired Tan Tom, in 3 less years, had the same number of sweet 16 appearances and B1G championships as CMP has had.
But sure, Painter is great, rah rah.
He gets highly ranked kids but he basically does nothing with them. He's obviously not recruiting the right players or else he'd be winning more. Or he's getting the right guys and is a subpar coach. Stop crying about recruiting rankings and look at the results on the court.
ONCE AGAIN:
Painter: 13 seasons, 10 NCAAT appearances, 290-147 (.664)
Martin: 9 seasons, 2 NCAAT appearances, 186-121 (.606)
CMP has done a good job getting the talent we have, but to get to a FF, we need to have 5* talent on the team. 1 player in 13 years I find kind of odd, when Zo has had 4 in the last few years at schools no better than Purdue. Lots of posters on this board dismis a player like Langford because they say Purdue could never get a kid that good. All I'm saying is they could.Didn't you start this thread complaining about recruiting?
Speaking of nonsense... Do you actually read what you post? If you think kids go to MSU because of Fife over Izzo you're high.Link please to support your exaggeration?
I'd bet my house that you and every other person that uses the phrase 'most kids', have no earthly idea why one recruit chooses a school.
Look at MSU as an example, Fife has been credited for getting more than a couple recruits there so please stop spreading your nonsense.
Even with Swanigan, Painter didn't have elite talent last season if you go by recruiting rankings across the roster. In fact, I would say that Purdue was below average athletically within the Big Ten. Painter had some very good players, but they were players who were coached up to play much closer to their potential than is typical in college basketball. (I'm especially referring to guys like PJ and Dakota, but it is true of the entire team). I felt like everything went according to plan, but when Purdue ran into a team with elite talent (Kansas) which was having a good shooting night, the talent gap was obvious and Purdue really had no answers.This is the worst excuse used regularly on this site. Who cares? What if he was brought in as a consultant for the president, or for an NBA team? Both would be impressive on a resume, but neither lead to Final 4's and championships or elite recruiting for Purdue. Good for CMP that USA basketball likes him. Unless it equates to NC's or Final 4's, it doesn't mean much to us as PURDUE fans.
As for winning the B1G last year, he did it by riding one of the top 3 players in college bball. Many average coaches can ride a top 3 player to a league title. Still in 12 years, nothing better than a few sweet 16's and 2 B1G championships. For comparison, recently fired Thad Matta in his first 12 years at OSU had 5 B1G championships, 3 elite 8's (a 4th at X before coming to OSU), 2 Final 4's and a NC runner up. Recently fired Tan Tom, in 3 less years, had the same number of sweet 16 appearances and B1G championships as CMP has had.
But sure, Painter is great, rah rah.
And clearly you lack basic reading comprehension. Fife was credited for the recruitment of a couple players at MSU, you do know what the term recruitment means right?Speaking of nonsense... Do you actually read what you post? If you think kids go to MSU because of Fife over Izzo you're high.
Using terms like "below average," I'm not sure some of you know how many teams there are in NCAA division 1 or how averages work.