How does Little Rock have 2 guards better than all of ours?

[New Pal Boiler]

We lost this game because we have no quickness and no playmakers at either guard spot. Hagins blew by Ray, PJ, and Johnny in the late stages to create shots for himself and others. I am glad we have Carsen on the way, but i think we need another guy who can attack off the dribble.

 

[SoCalFan]

Because you guys believe that 7 footers are the key to winning.

 

[Casey and his Brother]

Painter hates sauce. He's living in 1978.

 

[SoCalFan]

Painter hates sauce. He's living in 1978.

I actually think he is a pretty decent coach. It is tough recruiting to Purdue.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

Why would it be tough to recruit to Purdue?

 

[bonefish1]

I actually think he is a pretty decent coach. It is tough recruiting to Purdue.

Bullshit. Recruiting is all about the coach, not the location.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Why would it be tough to recruit to Purdue?

So Arkansas Little Rock is a better destination now?

 

[SoCalFan]

Bullshit. Recruiting is all about the coach, not the location.

If I take your comment to its logical conclusion, that means that Purdue historically has had mediocre coaches and IU has had great coaches. I know that neither is true.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

i do not see why Purdue is such a hard place to recruit too. Only reason I could see is the style of play.

 

[parke241]

i do not see why Purdue is such a hard place to recruit too. Only reason I could see is the style of play.

Purdue may not be a hard PLACE to recruit to. But when you have a blue blood program in your state in IU, Tom Izzo a state over, and UK/Duke poaching pretty much whomever they want, Purdue does not always get the midwest kids.

 

[PU52Chevy]

I agree with the poster...it is style of play......

Defense is a good base, but on offense this year we should have taken the Michigan and IU strategy....get as many shots up as possible because we have the rebounding advantage.

We had the shooters this year and I understand the high percentage shot is a layup from a pass to a big underneath, but why not also shoot the 3 and get the rebound if we miss......

Again we were predictable this year.....some teams couldn't handle us and others new exactly what we were going to do and planned for it and beat us.

We will be good again next year and hopefuly the younger guys learned from this and it makes them tougher next year.....

Edwards, Smotherman, Biggie, Haas, PJ, Stephens, Cline, Mathias, Weatherford, Taylor and the addition of C. Edwards is a good nucleus to work with to be good again.....

Just keep grinding and get over the hump.....

I will support it 110% either way!

 

[lbodel]

i do not see why Purdue is such a hard place to recruit too. Only reason I could see is the style of play.

Purdue has a lot of talent. For years, Purdue didn't have true centers and everyone complained that we couldn't ever recruit centers! Now, people are complaining we are focusing too much on centers and don't have good enough guards.

And it's funny because the prevailing notion to be successful in the tournament - is to not be guard oriented!

We absolutely had a weak spot at PG this year. Every team has weaknesses. Look at Yale yesterday - they had no business out rebounding Baylor! Baylor was a much more talented and athletic team - but talent, athleticism, etc. only goes so far in the NCAA Tournament. Rebounding is effort - Yale out rebounded Baylor. Little Rock had more offensive rebounds than we did - and we didn't really out rebound them by that much. Those kinds of things make a big difference in the NCAA Tournament.

Davis is Davis. He has improved offensively, but he's not really a go-getter offensively. He's not a guy that's going to step up offensively when things are on the line. It's a drawback. However, you trade it off with amazing defense. A lot of LR's shots were very well defended and went in. I know people don't want to hear it, but sometimes it just happens.

That's why I said I really love our underclassmen. Painter has recruited guys who are confident and willing to step up. Unfortunately, they are freshmen and sophomores this season, not our seniors. Our seniors have very wonderful traits - killer instinct, probably not one of them.

 

[lbodel]

I agree with the poster...it is style of play......

Defense is a good base, but on offense this year we should have taken the Michigan and IU strategy....get as many shots up as possible because we have the rebounding advantage.

We had the shooters this year and I understand the high percentage shot is a layup from a pass to a big underneath, but why not also shoot the 3 and get the rebound if we miss......

Again we were predictable this year.....some teams couldn't handle us and others new exactly what we were going to do and planned for it and beat us.

We will be good again next year and hopefuly the younger guys learned from this and it makes them tougher next year.....

Edwards, Smotherman, Biggie, Haas, PJ, Stephens, Cline, Mathias, Weatherford, Taylor and the addition of C. Edwards is a good nucleus to work with to be good again.....

Just keep grinding and get over the hump.....

I will support it 110% either way!

The problem, especially in the first half, was that we were taking the 3s and had some good looks - but AJ wasn't battling down low, but out at the 3 point line passing the ball around. He was nowhere to be found in the paint. And it's one thing to have limited opportunities cause they are double or triple-teaming him, but he wasn't there to get an offensive rebound. It's no coincidence that LR had more offensive rebounds.

 

[Dryfly88]

Purdue has a lot of talent. For years, Purdue didn't have true centers and everyone complained that we couldn't ever recruit centers! Now, people are complaining we are focusing too much on centers and don't have good enough guards.

And it's funny because the prevailing notion to be successful in the tournament - is to not be guard oriented!

We absolutely had a weak spot at PG this year. Every team has weaknesses. Look at Yale yesterday - they had no business out rebounding Baylor! Baylor was a much more talented and athletic team - but talent, athleticism, etc. only goes so far in the NCAA Tournament. Rebounding is effort - Yale out rebounded Baylor. Little Rock had more offensive rebounds than we did - and we didn't really out rebound them by that much. Those kinds of things make a big difference in the NCAA Tournament.

Davis is Davis. He has improved offensively, but he's not really a go-getter offensively. He's not a guy that's going to step up offensively when things are on the line. It's a drawback. However, you trade it off with amazing defense. A lot of LR's shots were very well defended and went in. I know people don't want to hear it, but sometimes it just happens.

That's why I said I really love our underclassmen. Painter has recruited guys who are confident and willing to step up. Unfortunately, they are freshmen and sophomores this season, not our seniors. Our seniors have very wonderful traits - killer instinct, probably not one of them.

Did you mean to say the prevailing wisdom "is" to be guard oriented? You said "is not to be guard oriented". I don't think I have ever heard anyone say that?? In fact you hear all the time the tournament is about guard play. That was the reason many were picking LR to beat us, our guard play was questioned.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Purdue has a lot of talent. For years, Purdue didn't have true centers and everyone complained that we couldn't ever recruit centers! Now, people are complaining we are focusing too much on centers and don't have good enough guards.

And it's funny because the prevailing notion to be successful in the tournament - is to not be guard oriented!

We absolutely had a weak spot at PG this year. Every team has weaknesses. Look at Yale yesterday - they had no business out rebounding Baylor! Baylor was a much more talented and athletic team - but talent, athleticism, etc. only goes so far in the NCAA Tournament. Rebounding is effort - Yale out rebounded Baylor. Little Rock had more offensive rebounds than we did - and we didn't really out rebound them by that much. Those kinds of things make a big difference in the NCAA Tournament.

Davis is Davis. He has improved offensively, but he's not really a go-getter offensively. He's not a guy that's going to step up offensively when things are on the line. It's a drawback. However, you trade it off with amazing defense. A lot of LR's shots were very well defended and went in. I know people don't want to hear it, but sometimes it just happens.

That's why I said I really love our underclassmen. Painter has recruited guys who are confident and willing to step up. Unfortunately, they are freshmen and sophomores this season, not our seniors. Our seniors have very wonderful traits - killer instinct, probably not one of them.

That simply isn't true. The overwhelming statement is that guard play wins you games in March. The prime example of this is Kemba Walker for UCONN a few years ago. A guard who is playing at an elite level has the ability to control a game much more than a center.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Purdue has a lot of talent. For years, Purdue didn't have true centers and everyone complained that we couldn't ever recruit centers! Now, people are complaining we are focusing too much on centers and don't have good enough guards.

And it's funny because the prevailing notion to be successful in the tournament - is to not be guard oriented!

We absolutely had a weak spot at PG this year. Every team has weaknesses. Look at Yale yesterday - they had no business out rebounding Baylor! Baylor was a much more talented and athletic team - but talent, athleticism, etc. only goes so far in the NCAA Tournament. Rebounding is effort - Yale out rebounded Baylor. Little Rock had more offensive rebounds than we did - and we didn't really out rebound them by that much. Those kinds of things make a big difference in the NCAA Tournament.

Davis is Davis. He has improved offensively, but he's not really a go-getter offensively. He's not a guy that's going to step up offensively when things are on the line. It's a drawback. However, you trade it off with amazing defense. A lot of LR's shots were very well defended and went in. I know people don't want to hear it, but sometimes it just happens.

That's why I said I really love our underclassmen. Painter has recruited guys who are confident and willing to step up. Unfortunately, they are freshmen and sophomores this season, not our seniors. Our seniors have very wonderful traits - killer instinct, probably not one of them.

Again, your statement isn't true. Yale was a great rebounding team this year, finishing #20 in the country averaging 40.4 rebounds per game. Baylor on the flip side is at 103rd. Yale was an upset based on seeding alone and many analysts said the very same thing. Yale's coach schemed his teams game plan to focus on what his team did best and to counter what Baylor does best. Could you honestly say Coach Painter schemed and made adjustments to take advantage of what Purdue does really well?

 

[lbodel]

That simply isn't true. The overwhelming statement is that guard play wins you games in March. The prime example of this is Kemba Walker for UCONN a few years ago. A guard who is playing at an elite level has the ability to control a game much more than a center.

And what about UCONN before that with Okafor? He was the NCAA Tournament MVP as a center.

 

[threeeputtt]

We lost this game because we have no quickness and no playmakers at either guard spot. Hagins blew by Ray, PJ, and Johnny in the late stages to create shots for himself and others. I am glad we have Carsen on the way, but i think we need another guy who can attack off the dribble.

When at 3;33 up 13 and you are doing the "weave" and never look at the basket, you lose.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

And what about UCONN before that with Okafor? He was the NCAA Tournament MVP as a center.

Charlie Villenueva and Ben Gordon? Also, that team had 5 or 6 NBA players on it.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

Its all about athleticism if you aren't athletic(Cline&Mathias) you can't turn into a great player. Need to be able to beat people off the dribble and be able to make awkward shots.

 

[Tookme555]

Trevon leaving state for Xavier...HSE kids migrating to Michigan...

IU and Purdue are not big deal for in state kids anymore....

You have to recruit nationally....you don't lock down Indiana anymore

 

[hoosier48]

Its all about athleticism if you aren't athletic(Cline&Mathias) you can't turn into a great player. Need to be able to beat people off the dribble and be able to make awkward shots.

I know IU got embarrassed by Cleveland ST (very athletic guards) in 86 and Knight went out found transfer Keith Smart. We all know how that worked out.
IF CMP could have got a player like JO off last years team, things probably would have been different. He is the coach and much smarter than me, but you would of thought that would have been top priority with the front line Purdue had.

 

[banshee90]

I actually think he is a pretty decent coach. It is tough recruiting to Purdue.

Yeah all the kids want to go to UALR have you seen their facilities awesome, the weather can't be beat (100% humidity all year round!), the view of the dirt farms, etc, etc. Lets face the facts we will never be able to recruit PG like UALR!

 

[banshee90]

If I take your comment to its logical conclusion, that means that Purdue historically has had mediocre coaches and IU has had great coaches. I know that neither is true.

Bobby Knight >>Keady, blue bloods get a little help, people want to bring things back to the glory days and generally have a decent sized fan base!

The problem, especially in the first half, was that we were taking the 3s and had some good looks - but AJ wasn't battling down low, but out at the 3 point line passing the ball around. He was nowhere to be found in the paint. And it's one thing to have limited opportunities cause they are double or triple-teaming him, but he wasn't there to get an offensive rebound. It's no coincidence that LR had more offensive rebounds.

Is that AJ fault or Painters? I am leaning on painter. If AJ isn't doing anything take him out and put someone else in!

 

[BoilerDeac]

And what about UCONN before that with Okafor? He was the NCAA Tournament MVP as a center.

That was in the early 2000s (diff style)...they also had some guy by the name of Ben Gordon.

 

[urbanhack]

Or...you know...you could just take care of the basketball with mediocre guards. They don't need to score or dish out double digit assists. They just need to keep the ball from being stolen out of their ****ing possession with the god damn game on the line.

Pathetic.

 

[banshee90]

Painter can't recruit guards and painter can't coach guards, if we are saying guard play is needed. Its not the guards fault its the coach. The BUCK stops with painter. WHY IS EVERYTHING SOMEONE ELSES FAULT AND NOT PAINTERS. He has been here for 10 years and just leaves us with blue balls!