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Was for no obvious or apparent reason looking at Nebraska's football schedule this fall. They have three consecutive OOC home games after opening with a conference game. First is North Dakota with ticket prices starting at $36. Next up is Georgia Southern with slightly higher prices starting at $37. Third game is against Oklahoma with another slight increase- to a starting price of $260.

Wow- that is a real example of demand pricing.
 
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Was for no obvious or apparent reason looking at Nebraska's football schedule this fall. They have three consecutive OOC home games after opening with a conference game. First is North Dakota with ticket prices starting at $36. Next up is Georgia Southern with slightly higher prices starting at $37. Third game is against Oklahoma with another slight increase- to a starting price of $260.

Wow- that is a real example of demand pricing.
Think that's just to soak the Oakies?
 
So yes, it is hard to see many Cornhusker fans shelling out that much for a game that most will be leaving at half time, having remembered they have something (anything!) better to do.
So why not stick it to the OU fans? It will be the only victory over them you will walk away with. For them it is a (relatively) close game they can watch in person- probably hard to get home tickets and by the second half they will probably be the only fan base you can hear so it will seem like a home game environment for them. A win/win it appears.
It is kind of like a pay game- only it is the home team getting paid (all those tickets at $260/per) to provide token resistance to the powerhouse program.
 
And they suck at hoops, aren’t a great school academically… so yeah swing and a miss for Delaney there.
All good points, but I think the biggest negative ramification from the Nebraska addition is the influence it has on other programs living in the past. For example, Notre Dame (as much as I'd hate their addition), Oregon, Washington, Florida State, etc all have to be looking at the Nebraska situation and wondering, "if they became a doormat in the Big Ten, then what's going to happen to us?"

It shouldn't be understated how herculean of an effort it must have taken to land UCLA and USC AND to have kept it under wraps so well. Both of those programs are in the pits financially, so that also helped. But, in all honesty, Notre Dame and Oregon have to be wondering how likely it is that they'll be able to compete even at the level of a Wisconsin if they join. Look at Michigan--OSU turned them into a bit of a joke as a program until this last season. Notre Dame thrives off of the BS perception of being elite. I don't think they can maintain that perception, and their 99% bandwagon fandom, if they start losing four conference games a year in the big ten.
 
All good points, but I think the biggest negative ramification from the Nebraska addition is the influence it has on other programs living in the past. For example, Notre Dame (as much as I'd hate their addition), Oregon, Washington, Florida State, etc all have to be looking at the Nebraska situation and wondering, "if they became a doormat in the Big Ten, then what's going to happen to us?"

It shouldn't be understated how herculean of an effort it must have taken to land UCLA and USC AND to have kept it under wraps so well. Both of those programs are in the pits financially, so that also helped. But, in all honesty, Notre Dame and Oregon have to be wondering how likely it is that they'll be able to compete even at the level of a Wisconsin if they join. Look at Michigan--OSU turned them into a bit of a joke as a program until this last season. Notre Dame thrives off of the BS perception of being elite. I don't think they can maintain that perception, and their 99% bandwagon fandom, if they start losing four conference games a year in the big ten.
Good post. ND has long padded It’s win total by having 7 home games, always insisting on playing navy, etc.

then they get crushed in a bowl game.

that’s why they have declined the BT invitation for decades… they would sink to mediocrity. It’s much more preferable to play Pitt, bc, NC state, etc.
 
And they suck at hoops, aren’t a great school academically… so yeah swing and a miss for Delaney there.
Yeah, it is a miss.

it was kind of expected - traditionally they got their players from Texas, so when you divorce from that recruiting area, you shoot yourself in the foot.
 
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All good points, but I think the biggest negative ramification from the Nebraska addition is the influence it has on other programs living in the past. For example, Notre Dame (as much as I'd hate their addition), Oregon, Washington, Florida State, etc all have to be looking at the Nebraska situation and wondering, "if they became a doormat in the Big Ten, then what's going to happen to us?"

It shouldn't be understated how herculean of an effort it must have taken to land UCLA and USC AND to have kept it under wraps so well. Both of those programs are in the pits financially, so that also helped. But, in all honesty, Notre Dame and Oregon have to be wondering how likely it is that they'll be able to compete even at the level of a Wisconsin if they join. Look at Michigan--OSU turned them into a bit of a joke as a program until this last season. Notre Dame thrives off of the BS perception of being elite. I don't think they can maintain that perception, and their 99% bandwagon fandom, if they start losing four conference games a year in the big ten.
Oregon, Washington, any non-SEC P5 program besides ND would jump on a B1G invite in a heartbeat. The financial piece is too much to pass on.
 
All good points, but I think the biggest negative ramification from the Nebraska addition is the influence it has on other programs living in the past. For example, Notre Dame (as much as I'd hate their addition), Oregon, Washington, Florida State, etc all have to be looking at the Nebraska situation and wondering, "if they became a doormat in the Big Ten, then what's going to happen to us?"

It shouldn't be understated how herculean of an effort it must have taken to land UCLA and USC AND to have kept it under wraps so well. Both of those programs are in the pits financially, so that also helped. But, in all honesty, Notre Dame and Oregon have to be wondering how likely it is that they'll be able to compete even at the level of a Wisconsin if they join. Look at Michigan--OSU turned them into a bit of a joke as a program until this last season. Notre Dame thrives off of the BS perception of being elite. I don't think they can maintain that perception, and their 99% bandwagon fandom, if they start losing four conference games a year in the big ten.
Nebraska got hurt, when they left the Big 12 and came to the B1G, since the Big 12 footprint was their primary recruiting area. When they left the Big 12, the kids they normally recruited successfully, seemed to lose interest in the Huskers, since they were no longer playing TX & OK regularly. After years of "on the field" futility, that interest has decreased even more. There's not enough talent in Nebraska to make the Huskers relevant. If the B1G were playing Survivor, I believe NE would get voted off the island and RU probably wouldn't be far behind. RU is in the NY Metropolitan area, but very few people really care about RU sports.

USC & UCLA won't have that problem, since they do the bulk of their recruiting in SoCal. FSU wouldn't lose a beat recruiting Florida, if they joined the B1G. ND recruits nationally, so I doubt there would be any negative impact on their recruiting. I believe OR & UW do the bulk of their recruiting on the West Coast, so I wonder how much negative impact there would be, since USC & UCLA would already be in the B1G?

I think Nebraska was just an odd situation, where we thought the Name was a National Brand and found out, after the fact that they weren't capable of recruiting nationally. I don't think any of the teams that we're currently considering, are out in the middle of nowhere, like NE is.

I doubt that it really took a Herculean effort to get USC & UCLA. I suspect that both schools recognized that they had deck chairs on the Titanic and they initiated contact with the B1G, because they wanted to be in a stable Conference and get the Big Bucks. They made a smart business decision and fortunately, Warren didn't screw it up. For some reason, I believe that Delaney may have planted that seed with USC & UCLA...
 
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Nebraska got hurt, when they left the Big 12 and came to the B1G, since the Big 12 footprint was their primary recruiting area. When they left the Big 12, the kids they normally recruited successfully, seemed to lose interest in the Huskers, since they were no longer playing TX & OK regularly. After years of "on the field" futility, that interest has decreased even more. There's not enough talent in Nebraska to make the Huskers relevant. If the B1G were playing Survivor, I believe NE would get voted off the island and RU probably wouldn't be far behind. RU is in the NY Metropolitan area, but very few people really care about RU sports.

USC & UCLA won't have that problem, since they do the bulk of their recruiting in SoCal. FSU wouldn't lose a beat recruiting Florida, if they joined the B1G. ND recruits nationally, so I doubt there would be any negative impact on their recruiting. I believe OR & UW do the bulk of their recruiting on the West Coast, so I wonder how much negative impact there would be, since USC & UCLA would already be in the B1G?

I think Nebraska was just an odd situation, where we thought the Name was a National Brand and found out, after the fact that they weren't capable of recruiting nationally. I don't think any of the teams that we're currently considering, are out in the middle of nowhere, like NE is.

I doubt that it really took a Herculean effort to get USC & UCLA. I suspect that both schools recognized that they had deck chairs on the Titanic and they initiated contact with the B1G, because they wanted to be in a stable Conference and get the Big Bucks. They made a smart business decision and fortunately, Warren didn't screw it up. For some reason, I believe that Delaney may have planted that seed with USC & UCLA...
If USC & UCLA had deck chairs, Oregon and Washington have stools down in the galley.
 
Let’s just tell it as it is. The Big Ten lost the Nebraska gamble. At least Rutgers and Maryland brought some major markets. Nebraska will never again be the football power that the Big Ten was counting on.
Isn’t that a huge win for Purdue
 
Yeah, it is a miss.

it was kind of expected - traditionally they got their players from Texas, so when you divorce from that recruiting area, you shoot yourself in the foot.
It’s a huge hit. Dude what’s wrong with Purdue fans … “man, I hope we bring schools in that are good enough to beat us, then I hope they follow through and are good enough to beat us.”

when you guys say good for the big ten I think you’re meaning good for Ohio state
 
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If USC & UCLA had deck chairs, Oregon and Washington have stools down in the galley.
True...LOL

I was just implying that USC & UCLA saw the iceberg and made the decision to reach out to the B1G, rather than Warren recruiting these teams. OR & UW have both asked to join the B1G, as well. They can all see where the money and the power lies in College sports and it's not in the Pac 12.
 
It’s a huge hit. Dude what’s wrong with Purdue fans … “man, I hope we bring schools in that are good enough to beat us, then I hope they follow through and are good enough to beat us.”

when you guys say good for the big ten I think you’re meaning good for Ohio state
You seem to believe that we're incapable of improving. If we keep playing better competition, we'll either improve or become IU. We had the IU experience, when DH2 was here and I don't see us wanting to replicate that again.

We won 9 football games last season against some good competition. I can see us winning 7 - 9 games annually for the foreseeable future, as long as we retain Brohm.
 
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You seem to believe that we're incapable of improving. If we keep playing better competition, we'll either improve or become IU. We had the IU experience, when DH2 was here and I don't see us wanting to replicate that again.

We won 9 football games last season against some good competition. I can see us winning 7 - 9 games annually for the foreseeable future, as long as we retain Brohm.
If we add programs who we consistently beat, we are winning. What are you saying? They need to consistently heat us first, then we will really show them by turning the tables? Some of yous who want to add a murderers row to this conference have mashed potatoes between your ears
 
If we add programs who we consistently beat, we are winning. What are you saying? They need to consistently heat us first, then we will really show them by turning the tables? Some of yous who want to add a murderers row to this conference have mashed potatoes between your ears
When you play good competition, it brings better players to the table for your team. I, for one, want to see Purdue continue to improve as a program and beat the best teams. I'm not sure why you want to become a MAC program. If you do, just go ahead and become a Central Michigan fan. Goodness sakes...
 
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Purdue got a couple extra wins out of it. But that's not what the B1G set out to do. Therefore, they lost the gamble. If Nebraska was in the B12 today they would certainly not get a B1G invite.
Are they not gonna get paid? It’s only a loss if the networks go “oh we were gonna give you 100 million a team but now that you added Nebraska we are going all in on the big 12.”

us getting huge dollars and teams we beat.. teams the media still cares about.. is not a win win win win to you?
 
When you play good competition, it brings better players to the table for your team. I'm not sure why you want to become a MAC program. If you do, just go ahead and become a Central Michigan fan. Goodness sakes...
So Ohio state, Michigan AND PENN STATE AND MICHIGAN STATE AND WISCONSIN AND IOWA isn’t good?

consider the reality we are in. It’s not the Mac mr. two pole straw man.

we had to beat two teams ranked in the top 3 to get to 8 wins lol…

8 wins isn’t even a lot to Iowa fans. If wisconsin goes 8-4 the state pretty much tunes them out.
 
So Ohio state, Michigan AND PENN STATE AND MICHIGAN STATE AND WISCONSIN AND IOWA isn’t good?

consider the reality we are in. It’s not the Mac mr. two pole straw man.

we had to beat two teams ranked in the top 3 to get to 8 wins lol…

8 wins isn’t even a lot to Iowa fans. If wisconsin goes 8-4 the state pretty much tunes them out.

WTF is your argument? That you want a weak conference so we can tally up wins? The Big Ten is already weak. It hasn't won a natty since Ohio St and no one outside of Ohio State in decades. The two top 3 teams we beat last year weren't really top 3 teams. They got exposed, so not sure what your argument is there? We got smoked when we played a mediocre Auburn team. Again, why doesn't Purdue just join the MAC so we can tally up meaningless wins?

If you look at the SEC, teams like Ole' Miss, South Carolina, and UK, none of which have ever been football powerhouses, are getting better recruits than Purdue. That's because they play in the premiere conference, where the premiere players want to play.

If we want better players, for every team other than OSU, in the Big Ten, it needs to be strong. Otherwise just call it the MAC...
 
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WTF is your argument? That you want a weak conference so we can tally up wins? The Big Ten is already weak. It hasn't won a natty since Ohio St and no one outside of Ohio State in decades. The two top 3 teams we beat last year weren't really top 3 teams. They got exposed, so not sure what your argument is there? Again, why doesn't Purdue just join the MAC so we can tally up meaningless wins?

If you look at the SEC, teams like Ole' Miss, South Carolina, and UK, none of which have ever been football powerhouses, are getting better recruits than Purdue. That's because they play in the premiere conference, where the premiere players want to play.

If we want better players, for every team other than OSU, in the Big Ten, it needs to be a strong. Otherwise just call it the MAC...
Your metric for weak has to do with top end capability of the conference? It’s not a weak conference at all.

so you’re saying cause no one team can beat alabama we are weak and need to add a Notre dame team that will beat us but also never beats alabama.

right..
 
If we add programs who we consistently beat, we are winning. What are you saying? They need to consistently heat us first, then we will really show them by turning the tables? Some of yous who want to add a murderers row to this conference have mashed potatoes between your ears

At the risk of becoming Captain Obvious:
The point is to invite teams, who are good enough to boost the value of the TV contract, since that is the primary reason for expansion. If all we do is invite teams we can readily beat, the TV contract will reflect the quality of our competition and we make significantly less money.

It's in our best interests to get the highest profile teams we can get, then COMPETE. If we can't beat them right away, then strive to get better, until we are competitive.

I believe that the "mashed potatoes between your ears" award goes to those, who can't comprehend the point of expansion. Get the BEST teams available in the largest population areas, so you maximize your TV contract. Getting Kansas, UConn and Duke gives us three teams we can beat in football and helps our BBall strength, but would lower the payout per team for the football contract. It's really not that complicated.
 
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At the risk of becoming Captain Obvious:
The point is to invite teams, who are good enough to boost the value of the TV contract, since that is the primary reason for expansion. If all we do is invite teams we can readily beat, the TV contract will reflect the quality of our competition and we make significantly less money.

It's in our best interests to get the highest profile teams we can get, then COMPETE. If we can't beat them right away, then strive to get better, until we are competitive.

I believe that the "mashed potatoes between your ears" award goes to those, who can't comprehend the point of expansion. Get the BEST teams available in the largest population areas, so you maximize your TV contract. Getting Kansas, UConn and Duke gives us three teams we can beat in football and helps our BBall strength, but would lower the payout per team for the football contract. It's really not that complicated.
Winning chess is often about your opponent thinking the battle is one thing and you showing him it’s something else.

your thinking would be correct if it was 2000 and there were 5-6 pretty strong conferences.

then if we had added whoever we felt like adding, the networks could get a better deal from the big 12 or ACC …

Now? There is no other deal. The SEC is taken and the alternatives to the big ten are not viable.

so if we currently would get 100 a school let’s say, and we add whoever within reason, then say “we still want 100 per school”.. there is no one else to go to.
 
Are they not gonna get paid? It’s only a loss if the networks go “oh we were gonna give you 100 million a team but now that you added Nebraska we are going all in on the big 12.”

us getting huge dollars and teams we beat.. teams the media still cares about.. is not a win win win win to you?
I don't want to get swept into the argument about whether Purdue benefits from stronger or weaker opponents, so I'll let that ride and check out of this thread for awhile. My point was that B1G leadership bought Nebraska stock, a stock which has been losing value for many years. Judging the decision only within the parameters that were used at the time to extend the Nebraska invite, that their football prowess would elevate the conference and increase revenues on the back of their prestige, it was a failure. Nebraska has by any objective measure not provided the added revenue to justify the invite.
 
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Winning chess is often about your opponent thinking the battle is one thing and you showing him it’s something else.

your thinking would be correct if it was 2000 and there were 5-6 pretty strong conferences.

then if we had added whoever we felt like adding, the networks could get a better deal from the big 12 or ACC …

Now? There is no other deal. The SEC is taken and the alternatives to the big ten are not viable.

so if we currently would get 100 a school let’s say, and we add whoever within reason, then say “we still want 100 per school”.. there is no one else to go to.
Nice word salad. Are you any relation to Kamala?

We may be done taking teams, if it doesn't benefit us. If the opportunity presented itself to take ND & one of Stanford, UW or UNC, or even all 4 of them, I believe the package would be attractive enough to maintain the $100Million payout.

If Warren considers taking UW & OR, I doubt that he could sell it to the Presidents. They're both good teams, but they don't move the needle that far. CO has a population as large as OR & WA combined and is equivalent to OR academically and makes more geographic sense.

Your model of taking teams we can beat would never be approved, since we'd lose too much on the TV contract. Networks pay the big bucks for high quality teams, not bottom feeders
 
I don't want to get swept into the argument about whether Purdue benefits from stronger or weaker opponents, so I'll let that ride and check out of this thread for awhile. My point was that B1G leadership bought Nebraska stock, a stock which has been losing value for many years. Judging the decision only within the parameters that were used at the time to extend the Nebraska invite, that their football prowess would elevate the conference and increase revenues on the back of their prestige, it was a failure. Nebraska has by any objective measure not provided the added revenue to justify the invite.
Not losing to us. To us it’s a win. A loss would be another penn state for 2 more million in annual TV revenue. What are we 2-15 against them?
 
Nice word salad. Are you any relation to Kamala?

We may be done taking teams, if it doesn't benefit us. If the opportunity presented itself to take ND & one of Stanford, UW or UNC, or even all 4 of them, I believe the package would be attractive enough to maintain the $100Million payout.

If Warren considers taking UW & OR, I doubt that he could sell it to the Presidents. They're both good teams, but they don't move the needle that far. CO has a population as large as OR & WA combined and is equivalent to OR academically and makes more geographic sense.

Your model of taking teams we can beat would never be approved, since we'd lose too much on the TV contract. Networks pay the big bucks for high quality teams, not bottom feeders
You = not seeing battle for what it is
Leverage matters, not strictly tv value in a vacuum
It’s not 2000 when there were 5 functional desirable conferences. There’s one other one, and they are taken.
We can add who we want and get what we want. Who else will the networks get? No one else is viable.

I can reduce it further if you don’t get it
 
Your metric for weak has to do with top end capability of the conference? It’s not a weak conference at all.

so you’re saying cause no one team can beat alabama we are weak and need to add a Notre dame team that will beat us but also never beats alabama.

right..

No one team in the B1G not named Ohio St has been able to beat 'Bama, Georgia, or Clemson. Auburn and several other SEC teams have. Michigan has been weak. Penn St has been weak. Nebraska has been weak. They ALL used to contend for national championships. Now they generally lose to Ohio St. The B1G is weak outside of Ohio St, just like the ACC is weak outside of Clemson. And BTW, are you too young to remember how we used to beat Notre Dame on a regular basis? We played them every year.

The point of improving the overall level of the conference is to get the top tier talent wanting to play in the B1G. Why would the top talent choose the B1G when they could play in the SEC? You don't seem to get that...
 
And they suck at hoops, aren’t a great school academically… so yeah swing and a miss for Delaney there.


One of the few he had. But at the time who else would it have been. He tried for his alma mater UNC, they said no. ND was asked again and they said no. My guess is they asked Texas but they wouldn't have been willing to be a willing revenue sharing partner, which is why the PAC-16 didn't work out. Pitt wouldn't have brought any new TV markets in and was weaker than Neb in football. So you're basically back to who the likely bridesmaid was, Mizzou, and by coinflip I'd prefer Neb over them.
 
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No one team in the B1G not named Ohio St has been able to beat 'Bama, Georgia, or Clemson. Auburn and several other SEC teams have. Michigan has been weak. Penn St has been weak. Nebraska has been weak. They ALL used to contend for national championships. Now they generally lose to Ohio St. The B1G is weak outside of Ohio St, just like the ACC is weak outside of Clemson. And BTW, are you too young to remember how we used to beat Notre Dame on a regular basis? We played them every year.

The point of improving the overall level of the conference is to get the top tier talent wanting to play in the B1G. Why would the top talent choose the B1G when they could play in the SEC? You don't seem to get that...
The sec only has so many schollies.. where else are they gonna go? I think you’re gonna start to see some do the best players in California go to Purdue, Wisconsin, Maryland etc
 
All good points, but I think the biggest negative ramification from the Nebraska addition is the influence it has on other programs living in the past. For example, Notre Dame (as much as I'd hate their addition), Oregon, Washington, Florida State, etc all have to be looking at the Nebraska situation and wondering, "if they became a doormat in the Big Ten, then what's going to happen to us?"

It shouldn't be understated how herculean of an effort it must have taken to land UCLA and USC AND to have kept it under wraps so well. Both of those programs are in the pits financially, so that also helped. But, in all honesty, Notre Dame and Oregon have to be wondering how likely it is that they'll be able to compete even at the level of a Wisconsin if they join. Look at Michigan--OSU turned them into a bit of a joke as a program until this last season. Notre Dame thrives off of the BS perception of being elite. I don't think they can maintain that perception, and their 99% bandwagon fandom, if they start losing four conference games a year in the big ten.
Whoa easy there, mister. Let’s apply a little bit of logic here. Are you really saying that the University of Notre Dame- the utmost arrogant, pompous and self-glorifying program and fan base on the face of the earth- is sitting back and determining their potential for success in a league that they have felt above for decades and previously shunned, all based on the performance, or lack thereof, of Nebraska? NEBRASKA? No sir. Not for a moment, not now not ever.
 
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The sec only has so many schollies.. where else are they gonna go? I think you’re gonna start to see some do the best players in California go to Purdue, Wisconsin, Maryland etc
They only have so many schollies and the best players currently get them.
 
Going to war with the SEC is an Ohio state Michigan proposition. Purdue should be worried about Purdue
 
Going to war with the SEC is an Ohio state Michigan proposition. Purdue should be worried about Purdue
Who said anything about Purdue going to war. My point is that raising the competitiveness of the B1G raises Purdue's and other B1G schools chances of getting better recruits...
 
It’s a question do you want to add teams to increase revenue and TV ratings and ticket prices? Or do you want to add teams that fit in with our geographic and academic philosophies? I prefer the latter. I could care less about revenue and beating the SEC.

I would have added Iowa St. they fit in geographically. Teams wouldn’t have to spend 2 days getting there and they could travel in busses.

It’s kind of clear why the BIG 10 added Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, UCLA and USC.

if I was in charge and we wanted to add teams from California, I would have added Stanford and Cal. They have an outstanding academic reputation . And they have an outstanding reputation in other sports besides just football. And they have outstanding womens teams as well.

but it has become clear what the BIG 10 factors have become. $$$$$$$ and market share. We talk about the BIG possibly dropping Nebraska because they just aren’t good enough . What if the BIG 10 decided to drop teams Based on their potential markets, revenue production, And Tv packaging popularity? I could name 3 teams that would be dropped in a heart beat! IU and Minn would be 2 of those 3 teams! Nobody wants to watch those schools play on TV. You can guess what the third team would be.
 
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