Hillary Clinton: The Ticking Time Bomb Part Deux

[SDBoiler1]

Hillary seems to be going off the rails slowly but surely.

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-likens-gops-views-women-those-terrorists-163028904--election.html

 

[lbodel]

Hillary seems to be going off the rails slowly but surely.

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-likens-gops-views-women-those-terrorists-163028904--election.html

Yeah this is so much worse than what the GOP candidates are spewing. Oh wait..

 

[qazplm]

Someone's caught the vapors again.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Someone's caught the vapors again.

More like the engine for Hillary's campaign has vapor lock and won't run properly...

 

[qazplm]

More like the engine for Hillary's campaign has vapor lock and won't run properly...

I know that's your fervent wish...otherwise you'd be rooting for her since it will be so easy to beat her yes?

 

[SDBoiler1]

I know that's your fervent wish...otherwise you'd be rooting for her since it will be so easy to beat her yes?

Just like it seems to be your thought that she's a lock to win in 2016. Funny, she was a lock to win the Dem nomination in 2008 and then lost to a fairly-unknown JR Senator. Queen Hillary expects everyone to bow and watch her be coronated.

No, there a lot of uninformed voters in the USA, explaining how we got the "Obamination" in two straight elections. Granted, the Republicans ran two poor candidates in those elections. This election cycle is already more interesting than the last two were.

 

[kescwi]

I know that's your fervent wish...otherwise you'd be rooting for her since it will be so easy to beat her yes?

She is not electable, like McCain, a party big hitter with a little too much power. Nothing Americans love more than taking their anger out on people like them.

If she wins the primary (I will admit this view fits nicely with my tin foil hat view of elections but) it's because TPTB want a Republican POTUS to appease the half of the nation pissed off over the last 8 years of the same neo liberal policies/leadership they championed for the past 35 years simply because it came in a different package, darker, than the neo liberal nonsense that has existed since 1980.

But more than that if you are one of the lucky ones running the show these days and your billions are on the line you don't want the AM radio/Fox crowd getting too radical and threatening over the next 4/8 years, nor do you want the Bush/Clinton clans getting uppity, there can be no rocking of the boat in the neo liberal world, so it will be, like it has been for generations, another milquetoast, attention/power whore, not too bright, with no real ideas, POTUS draped in rhetoric, just an R again, to take the "throne" if Clinton gets the nomination, just MHO.

I will admit I will vote for anyone other than a Bush or Clinton this go around, baby steps I guess, change is slow and either of those two families is a step backwards as far as I'm concerned.

 

[qazplm]

She is not electable, like McCain, a party big hitter with a little too much power. Nothing Americans love more than taking their anger out on people like them.

If she wins the primary (I will admit this view fits nicely with my tin foil hat view of elections but) it's because TPTB want a Republican POTUS to appease the half of the nation pissed off over the last 8 years of the same neo liberal policies/leadership they championed for the past 35 years simply because it came in a different package, darker, than the neo liberal nonsense that has existed since 1980.

But more than that if you are one of the lucky ones running the show these days and your billions are on the line you don't want the AM radio/Fox crowd getting too radical and threatening over the next 4/8 years, nor do you want the Bush/Clinton clans getting uppity, there can be no rocking of the boat in the neo liberal world, so it will be, like it has been for generations, another milquetoast, attention/power whore, not too bright, with no real ideas, POTUS draped in rhetoric, just an R again, to take the "throne" if Clinton gets the nomination, just MHO.

I will admit I will vote for anyone other than a Bush or Clinton this go around, baby steps I guess, change is slow and either of those two families is a step backwards as far as I'm concerned.

of course she's electable...almost anyone who wins the nomination of one of the two major parties is "electable." The D advantage in the electoral college makes her more electable. Her favorability rating among Dems is still quite high. Women will come out and vote for her. AA's will come out. Hispanics will come out (she actually beat Obama in that demo in 08).
Romney won almost 60 percent of the white male vote in 12, and lost by 5 percent. Hillary isn't going to lose anymore or the white male vote than Obama did, and Hillary 16 is no more a target of hate than Obama 12.

 

[kescwi]

of course she's electable...almost anyone who wins the nomination of one of the two major parties is "electable." The D advantage in the electoral college makes her more electable. Her favorability rating among Dems is still quite high. Women will come out and vote for her. AA's will come out. Hispanics will come out (she actually beat Obama in that demo in 08).
Romney won almost 60 percent of the white male vote in 12, and lost by 5 percent. Hillary isn't going to lose anymore or the white male vote than Obama did, and Hillary 16 is no more a target of hate than Obama 12.

I don't think women identify with candidates on gender in the same way people identify with candidates based on religion, race..., in the primary maybe, but not the GE, Mainly because their issues are so diverse today, we are well past the suffragette days and women's lib just isn't the same fight it once was.

I just don't think she is the one who will be able to articulate clearly, and more importantly concisely, issues that a significant number of women can identify with and she has trouble with the one issue that can easily unite women and that is family. I think deep down in the places that don't show up in polls many women don't respect her and/or question her motives for staying married after a public humiliation. At best those women who admire her and/or sympathize with her will be offset by those who don't.

 

[qazplm]

I don't think women identify with candidates on gender in the same way people identify with candidates based on religion, race..., in the primary maybe, but not the GE, Mainly because their issues are so diverse today, we are well past the suffragette days and women's lib just isn't the same fight it once was.

I just don't think she is the one who will be able to articulate clearly, and more importantly concisely, issues that a significant number of women can identify with and she has trouble with the one issue that can easily unite women and that is family. I think deep down in the places that don't show up in polls many women don't respect her and/or question her motives for staying married after a public humiliation. At best those women who admire her and/or sympathize with her will be offset by those who don't.

I have no idea why you think she will have trouble with women. I think you are letting your personal views of her cloud her appeal to women. The idea that women question her for staying married is coming from somewhere "deep down inside" you more than most women. She will win a majority of the female vote at least 55%. I'll bet anything, any appendage you like on that one. She'll win somewhere around 60% of the hispanic vote, worst case. She'll win 90+ percent of the AA vote. Those numbers alone pretty much make her a large favorite to win even if she loses 60% of the white male vote.

Women are more D than R. That's just plain registration numbers. That doesn't mean every D in every election will get more female votes than the R. Turnout matters. Hillary Clinton will turn out "D" women. She will also turn out enough moderate women to give her a solid advantage there in the GE.

The only way she loses the GE is if something, like the email, turns criminal, not just a bad judgment thing, but criminal.

 

[kescwi]

I have no idea why you think she will have trouble with women. I think you are letting your personal views of her cloud her appeal to women. The idea that women question her for staying married is coming from somewhere "deep down inside" you more than most women. She will win a majority of the female vote at least 55%. I'll bet anything, any appendage you like on that one. She'll win somewhere around 60% of the hispanic vote, worst case. She'll win 90+ percent of the AA vote. Those numbers alone pretty much make her a large favorite to win even if she loses 60% of the white male vote.

Women are more D than R. That's just plain registration numbers. That doesn't mean every D in every election will get more female votes than the R. Turnout matters. Hillary Clinton will turn out "D" women. She will also turn out enough moderate women to give her a solid advantage there in the GE.

The only way she loses the GE is if something, like the email, turns criminal, not just a bad judgment thing, but criminal.

No it's not really my personal views of her as much as the fact I deal with women and their decision making almost daily. I think they are far more complex than they are being given credit for, plus if they voted simply on gender they would have elected a woman long ago, more woman vote then men. At the least we would be looking at the possibility of electing the first AA POTUS in '16 because HC would have won '08.

Who knows and it will depend on who she goes against but, and again simply my opinion, I don't think women will vote for her simply because she is a woman and like '08 if a acceptable alternative presents itself a good chunk of women will have no problem voting against her.

 

[SDBoiler1]

No it's not really my personal views of her as much as the fact I deal with women and their decision making almost daily. I think they are far more complex than they are being given credit for, plus if they voted simply on gender they would have elected a woman long ago, more woman vote then men. At the least we would be looking at the possibility of electing the first AA POTUS in '16 because HC would have won '08.

Who knows and it will depend on who she goes against but, and again simply my opinion, I don't think women will vote for her simply because she is a woman and like '08 if a acceptable alternative presents itself a good chunk of women will have no problem voting against her.

You are correct in your assessment. They are much more complex than qazplm is giving them credit for. I have found that many women, especially ones in positions of authority, are often harder on other women than they are on men.

If the GOP can put a good candidate up against her in the GE (assuming she makes it that far), I think she will lose. qazplm seems to be missing a large undercurrent in society right now - one that doesn't want either a Bush or a Clinton as the next President. (I am part of this.) This is part of the reason for Trump's and to some degree Bernie Sanders' success so far. They are not of "the mainstream political class" (Trump = loud, big-persona media whore and business man; Sanders = self-avowed Democratic Socialist) and their messages seem to be resonating with a consequential portion of the voting public right now. They tell things like it is, and many people find that refreshing.

Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush both represent bygone years of politics that many Americans would like to move past and in some cases, forget altogether.

 

[qazplm]

No it's not really my personal views of her as much as the fact I deal with women and their decision making almost daily. I think they are far more complex than they are being given credit for, plus if they voted simply on gender they would have elected a woman long ago, more woman vote then men. At the least we would be looking at the possibility of electing the first AA POTUS in '16 because HC would have won '08.

Who knows and it will depend on who she goes against but, and again simply my opinion, I don't think women will vote for her simply because she is a woman and like '08 if a acceptable alternative presents itself a good chunk of women will have no problem voting against her.

So there are what roughly 170 million in this country give or take 10 mil? And you think you've gotten a large enough sample size, that gives you special insight in spite of the polling that says differently? No one ever said "all women will vote for her simply because she is a woman." Some certainly will. And again, women are statistically more Democrats than Republicans in today's world. So there isn't likely to be an "Acceptable alternative" in this election to a majority of women, anymore than there was in the last election.

Hillary does not need 90 percent of women, or 80 or 70 or even 60.

Obama won sweeping victories with middle 50 percent female support in both elections. There's zero reason to believe Hillary will do worse than that. There's zero reason to believe she won't be over 50 percent.

 

[qazplm]

You are correct in your assessment. They are much more complex than qazplm is giving them credit for. I have found that many women, especially ones in positions of authority, are often harder on other women than they are on men.

If the GOP can put a good candidate up against her in the GE (assuming she makes it that far), I think she will lose. qazplm seems to be missing a large undercurrent in society right now - one that doesn't want either a Bush or a Clinton as the next President. (I am part of this.) This is part of the reason for Trump's and to some degree Bernie Sanders' success so far. They are not of "the mainstream political class" (Trump = loud, big-persona media whore and business man; Sanders = self-avowed Democratic Socialist) and their messages seem to be resonating with a consequential portion of the voting public right now. They tell things like it is, and many people find that refreshing.

Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush both represent bygone years of politics that many Americans would like to move past and in some cases, forget altogether.

Yes, the undercurrent that has Hillary, even now, even after folks are "feeling the Bern" 20 percentage points ahead in the Primary polling, and in most polls out there, beating every republican candidate. Now GE polling at this point is fairly hard to do, but there is little evidence that democrats are not going to pull the lever for Hillary in 2016, and since the electoral college right now favors democrats pretty strongly, she doesn't have to be remotely as popular as Obama was...in fact, she can lose Florida and Ohio and still win.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

I'm with qaz here... Hill can and probably will win the women's vote because most women in this country won't think or know about too many of the issues that might otherwise turn them off from her. They will vote for her because it'd be historic to have a woman as president.

You guys are giving Americans way too much credit. Individuals can be smart, but on the whole, we're surrounded by idiots!

 

[SDBoiler1]

I'm with qaz here... Hill can and probably will win the women's vote because most women in this country won't think or know about too many of the issues that might otherwise turn them off from her. They will vote for her because it'd be historic to have a woman as president.

You guys are giving Americans way too much credit. Individuals can be smart, but on the whole, we're surrounded by idiots!

gr8,

There might be some women that vote for Hillary because she's a woman, but there will be many women that will vote for another candidate because they don't like her, her positions, her lying, her connections to Slick Willie, and her firmly entrenched place in the political class.

 

[qazplm]

gr8,

There might be some women that vote for Hillary because she's a woman, but there will be many women that will vote for another candidate because they don't like her, her positions, her lying, her connections to Slick Willie, and her firmly entrenched place in the political class.

Yes, they are called republicans, and they wouldn't have voted for her ever.

Since the majority of women are Democrats:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120839/Women-Likely-Democrats-Regardless-Age.aspx

And since women are now the majority of GE voters, particularly in presidential years:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/voter-turnout-infographic-women_n_1797639.html

And since turnout for Dem demographics is traditionally better in presidential elections than off-years

Then if Hillary does nothing but win the same percentage of the women's vote as Obama, she's going to be in a pretty strong position.
And since her favorability ratings among Democrats are just fine, and her overall unfav ratings are no worse than most of the republican candidates, some of whom are actually worse...

Yeah, I'm not too worried about her losing the female vote.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Yes, they are called republicans, and they wouldn't have voted for her ever.

Since the majority of women are Democrats:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120839/Women-Likely-Democrats-Regardless-Age.aspx

And since women are now the majority of GE voters, particularly in presidential years:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/voter-turnout-infographic-women_n_1797639.html

And since turnout for Dem demographics is traditionally better in presidential elections than off-years

Then if Hillary does nothing but win the same percentage of the women's vote as Obama, she's going to be in a pretty strong position.
And since her favorability ratings among Democrats are just fine, and her overall unfav ratings are no worse than most of the republican candidates, some of whom are actually worse...

Yeah, I'm not too worried about her losing the female vote.

You're falling into the same trap that the Hillary for President team did in 2008 and seems to be doing again. Bow to your queen, qazplm. If anyone can find a way to lose it would be her. And I think this email thing could end up being a real albatross for her.

 

[qazplm]

Tell me more about your thoughts on this email thing.. It feels like something no one else has mentioned.

Hail Hillary.

 

[Purdue97]

Tell me more about your thoughts on this email thing.. It feels like something no one else has mentioned.

Hail Hillary.

Well, unfortunately for her, this email thing keeps growing. And the longer it sticks around the more of an issue it will be. Now her IT staffer that set up her home domain,, even though both he and State claiming no wrongdoing, is taking the fifth. That is the wrong answer.

I think it is a big issue. That said, polling states only 20% of Americans think it is, so you maybe right. But then if it is not the email thing, why does she seem to be headed toward another 08? That last poll released from Des Moines Register I think it was shows some real issues.

 

[qazplm]

Well, unfortunately for her, this email thing keeps growing. And the longer it sticks around the more of an issue it will be. Now her IT staffer that set up her home domain,, even though both he and State claiming no wrongdoing, is taking the fifth. That is the wrong answer.

I think it is a big issue. That said, polling states only 20% of Americans think it is, so you maybe right. But then if it is not the email thing, why does she seem to be headed toward another 08? That last poll released from Des Moines Register I think it was shows some real issues.

And two polls that followed in Iowa showed her up 20 pts.

But hey, let's ignore we are still six months out and there hasn't been one debate yet and just go purely off the latest poll. That seems the smart way to go.

 

[BoilerMadness]

And two polls that followed in Iowa showed her up 20 pts.

But hey, let's ignore we are still six months out and there hasn't been one debate yet and just go purely off the latest poll. That seems the smart way to go.

Yeah, while we're at it, let's ignore the trend, that shows she's in a death spiral, too. Qaz, you can spin until you're dizzy and try to polish that turd all you want, but you won't get it to shine. Bill had the personality to lie his way out of things like this. Hillary does not. She's a dead pants suit walking. She won't be the Democratic nominee. Too much baggage and not enough political skill to get out from under it.

 

[Purdue97]

And two polls that followed in Iowa showed her up 20 pts.

But hey, let's ignore we are still six months out and there hasn't been one debate yet and just go purely off the latest poll. That seems the smart way to go.

Haha, your deflection attempt is weak. Latest poll-no. The polls show a downward trend for her. You are the one that is ignoring the dwonward trend, her unfavorable views growing higher, and this entire email thing.

Simple question really-If this email deal is not that big of an issue, why is her lead narrowing rapidly in polls?