Hill vs Thompson for PG minutes

[BoilermakerBrian]

I know it's early, but curious what the thought is on our PG situation? They both have pros and cons to their game, but I am liking Hill more so far.

Hill has been a bit more efficient offensively and can rebound well. I like his slasher mentality compared to Hill's spot shooting. Both of them have more ways to go before we can compare them to Octeus, but the beauty of this year's team is that neither of them have to get to that level for Purdue to be successful.

 

[punaj]

Player MIN FGM FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA PTS OFFR DEFR REB AST TO STL BLK
P.J. Thompson 41 1 7 6 6 1 7 9 2 5 7 3 0 2 0
Johnny Hill 36 3 4 2 4 0 0 8 2 5 7 8 1 4 1

Stats aren't lined up well, but you can see them better here if you like:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2509

They are very even so far this year. I like that Hill hasn't taken a three pointer (we have better threats from three this year), has almost 3 times the assists, twice as many steals, is a better penetrator, and is much longer on defense. At this point PJ is the better foul shooter. That said, that's only two games worth of stats.

My nod goes to Hill at this point, but it's early. Both are good Boilermakers.

 

[FinallyABoilerFinal4]

Efficiency is the most important thing. Hill is more efficient on offense since he'll never take a bad shot. He won't take many shots period, as evidenced by his 0 three attempts. Hill is more efficient on defense, due to have better length and athletic ability. This is an open and shut case.

 

[BoilermakerBrian]

Yep I agree. Another thing to point out is that PJ seems to look for a shot more than Hill. It seems like all of Hills points have come around the rim when a breakdown has happened. For this team, I don't want my point guard looking for a shot..I just want him to distribute and fees the post. Another point for Hill

 

[proudopete]

Efficiency is the most important thing. Hill is more efficient on offense since he'll never take a bad shot. He won't take many shots period, as evidenced by his 0 three attempts. Hill is more efficient on defense, due to have better length and athletic ability. This is an open and shut case.

Wouldn't zero shots make him 0% efficient using your math?

 

[CRBoiler]

As far as free stats to facilitate the comparison, this seems to be a good source: http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...eam-stats?season=2015&category=SCORING&type=1

When I look at these two players, I like them both, but I think JH at THIS point is performing better. JH is team leader in assists, steals, and rebounds (among guards) per 40 minutes played. And scoring wise, the two have equal points per 40 min, but Johnny has been significantly more efficient with a .75 FG% (3-4) vs PJ at .143 (1-7).

 

[Heller]

Wouldn't zero shots make him 0% efficient using your math?

I thought Billy Preston (the 5th Beatle) passed away?

 

[proudopete]

I thought Billy Preston (the 5th Beatle) passed away?

Apparently he found a way to "Get Back".

 

[Heller]

Apparently he found a way to "Get Back".

True, but I was thinking of his own solo hit, Nothing from Nothing as equating to 0 for 0.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Hill SHOULD be performing better at this point. He's a 8th year grad student with experience all over the world of college basketball while PJ is still developing his game. They're both fine.

 

[since1980]

If one of them must be on the court at all times which is how Painter has played it so far, I think Hill gets the nod. He does a good job at picking his spots, only takes shots near the rim, is longer, and seems more confident and capable of getting to the rim.

But, I'd still like to see what happens if neither of them are on the floor and we put an extra shooter out there especially since our 1 through 4 men can get a rebound and dribble it up themselves. I've noticed we have been taking a lot of shots earlier in the shot clock this season, playing more uptempo instead of grinding out offensive possessions. With our 3 point shooting ability and the skill of Swanigan at the 4 being able to do everything, I think playing faster is really advantageous for this team. We have guys who can make shots...so we need to get as many up as possible. In years past, we haven't always had guys that could shoot (think RJ, TJ, Ray lineups) and so grinding out possessions was important.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I know it's early, but curious what the thought is on our PG situation? They both have pros and cons to their game, but I am liking Hill more so far.

Hill has been a bit more efficient offensively and can rebound well. I like his slasher mentality compared to Hill's spot shooting. Both of them have more ways to go before we can compare them to Octeus, but the beauty of this year's team is that neither of them have to get to that level for Purdue to be successful.

I've been really impressed by Hill thus far. He looks like a player who will be successful in the Big Ten, because he knows his role and he is keeping it simple.

He also looks like a better ball handler than Octeus, which should help against full court pressure.

 

[Zaphod_B]

Johnny should obviously get the Lion's share of the minutes, as he's a sure fire lock for NBA Pacer's all-Hill team...

 

[lbodel]

I know it's early, but curious what the thought is on our PG situation? They both have pros and cons to their game, but I am liking Hill more so far.

Hill has been a bit more efficient offensively and can rebound well. I like his slasher mentality compared to Hill's spot shooting. Both of them have more ways to go before we can compare them to Octeus, but the beauty of this year's team is that neither of them have to get to that level for Purdue to be successful.

Additionally, I think you'll see it "situationally" played out, similar to last year. PJ will just be a bad match-up in some cases cause of his size. PJ will be great in some match-ups because he's quicker. And if we face a team that doesn't pressure the ball very well, you may see less of both of them.

Hill has looked to be a nice addition and I think PJ has also improved as well. I said at the end of last season, one of Painter's biggest challenges - even before the addition of Swanigan - will be to figure out a rotation. I don't envy him.

 

[Chuchumutha]

I've been really impressed by Hill thus far. He looks like a player who will be successful in the Big Ten, because he knows his role and he is keeping it simple.

He also looks like a better ball handler than Octeus, which should help against full court pressure.

Noticed his ball handling as well. MTM pressure doesn't seem to bother him and he gets us into motion quickly, which is important with the 30 sec. rule.

 

[thenagemj02]

I'd go with Trey Lewis after he transfers from Louisville when Pitino gets fired for the NCAA violations committed in their prostitute scandal. ;-)

 

[dasMetzger]

They are very even so far this year. I like that Hill hasn't taken a three pointer (we have better threats from three this year), has almost 3 times the assists, twice as many steals, is a better penetrator, and is much longer on defense. At this point PJ is the better foul shooter. That said, that's only two games worth of stats.

You're right, it's only two games worth of stats. But the trends that CAN be comparable considering nearly equal minutes played, is the shot selection.

PJ is seemingly trying to be a scorer when he's out there instead of finding his teammates and creating shots for others. i've never liked this in a point guard. he needs to be a leader by direction, not by PPG. there are much more talented and capable scores that need the ball fed to them consistently and efficiently.

 

[atmafola]

You're right, it's only two games worth of stats. But the trends that CAN be comparable considering nearly equal minutes played, is the shot selection.

PJ is seemingly trying to be a scorer when he's out there instead of finding his teammates and creating shots for others. i've never liked this in a point guard. he needs to be a leader by direction, not by PPG. there are much more talented and capable scores that need the ball fed to them consistently and efficiently.

I don't see the part in bold at all. What I do see is that PJ will take the open 3 while Hill won't. There were a couple of times that Hill had space to shoot the trey but instead dribble and passed. It doesn't make PJ's decision the wrong one. He just needs to start making those at a decent clip.

 

[dasMetzger]

I don't see the part in bold at all. What I do see is that PJ will take the open 3 while Hill won't. There were a couple of times that Hill had space to shoot the trey but instead dribble and passed. It doesn't make PJ's decision the wrong one. He just needs to start making those at a decent clip.

pj shot .333 from the field and .286 from 3pt last year. i'll stand by my preference that i want other people shooting the ball rather than our 5'10" point guard.

i just dont think painter has any plays that result in the PG putting up a shot, so when he does throw one up it'll mean players aren't in position for the rebound, which turns to be a turnover 85% of the time when he puts up a shot.

focus on passing, creating, and keeping turnovers to a minimum.

edit: made a clarification

 

[snowsquirrel11]

Efficiency is the most important thing. Hill is more efficient on offense since he'll never take a bad shot. He won't take many shots period, as evidenced by his 0 three attempts. Hill is more efficient on defense, due to have better length and athletic ability. This is an open and shut case.

Lmfao, PJ has never taken a bad shot, every shot he took he was wide open. Also, how does "not shooting a 3" equate to being efficient and not taking a bad shot? This whole post makes no sense. The only claim you could make is that Hill is able to stay with opposing players off the dribble better.

 

[JBoiler14]

I like them splitting time, they are two completely different type of guards. JH is long and athletic, slashes, and plays good D. PJ is smaller, a pesky defender, and is always looking for his team mates. Neither take bad shots, and I expect PJs 3 point shot to come along nicely this season and help him really compliment JH

 

[purdue4sure]

I thought Billy Preston (the 5th Beatle) passed away?

nuthin' from nuthin'...