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Why did Purdue have to give out a 6 year contract? I certainly hope Brohm rights the ship and wins many games. We as fans have suffered for many years, but Hazell failed us. What if Brohm fails us? Purdue will be on the hook for the remaining years of a very generous contract. I have been a Purdue fan longer than most on this board has been alive so I know disappointment. If Brohm fails to deliver could be the end of Purdue football.

I am happy for the hire, but not the 6 year contract. I wonder if he would only accept 6 years or more???
 
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"The end of Purdue football"......

We were pretty much there already. Hard to believe, but Hazell made me pine for the Jim Colletto days.

We needed to prove that we are dedicated to getting Purdue football back to a competitive level, and that means ponying out the money to get a coach to willing subject himself to a massive rebuilding project. In some ways, Brohm is taking just as big of a gamble as Purdue is. If he fails at this, he's pretty much ruined his coaching career for at least another decade.
 
Have to at least give 5 for recruiting reasons. Also pushes extension chatter off a year if he's instantly successful. I don't care how long the contract is just how the buyout is structured.
 
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Why did Purdue have to give out a 6 year contract? I certainly hope Brohm rights the ship and wins many games. We as fans have suffered for many years, but Hazell failed us. What if Brohm fails us? Purdue will be on the hook for the remaining years of a very generous contract. I have been a Purdue fan longer than most on this board has been alive so I know disappointment. If Brohm fails to deliver could be the end of Purdue football.

I am happy for the hire, but not the 6 year contract. I wonder if he would only accept 6 years or more???
Do you really think Purdue would have got this caliber of a coach for much less than 6/$20M? This is market value. Lovie Smith got 6/$21M at Illinois.

Also, it is not the years that Purdue is on the hook for. It is the $20M guaranteed. The years don't really matter. Would you be happier with a 5/$20M contract? Herman got 5/$28.75M.

If what you are worried about is the end of Purdue football, then going cheap on this hire would have all but guaranteed it.
 
Do you really think Purdue would have got this caliber of a coach for much less than 6/$20M? This is market value. Lovie Smith got 6/$21M at Illinois.

Also, it is not the years that Purdue is on the hook for. It is the $20M guaranteed. The years don't really matter. Would you be happier with a 5/$20M contract? Herman got 5/$28.75M.

If what you are worried about is the end of Purdue football, then going cheap on this hire would have all but guaranteed it.
I would only go out 4 years initially. If after 2 years the program was trending up I would give him an extension. Six years out of the box concerns me, but maybe I am the only one concerned about the length of the contract.
 
I would only go out 4 years initially. If after 2 years the program was trending up I would give him an extension. Six years out of the box concerns me, but maybe I am the only one concerned about the length of the contract.
4 years shows zero confidence in the coach. To bring in a good coach you need to show you're committed to them. Or else you're picking coaches from bottom of the barrel just to put a coach on the staff knowing you'll have to do it all over again in 3-4 years.
 
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I would only go out 4 years initially. If after 2 years the program was trending up I would give him an extension. Six years out of the box concerns me, but maybe I am the only one concerned about the length of the contract.
5-6 years is pretty standard for P5 schools. Anything less will get laughed at. It's a coach's market. Besides, Purdue is on the hook for $20 million regardless if he's fired 2, 3 or 4 years from now. So, the length doesn't matter.
 
I would only go out 4 years initially. If after 2 years the program was trending up I would give him an extension. Six years out of the box concerns me, but maybe I am the only one concerned about the length of the contract.

If Purdue had been winning B1G West titles and had been in the top 25 year after year, and was considered somewhat of a desirable destination, then a 4-5 year contract might have been within negotiation for a coach coming from the Group of 5.

But we are not. Consider:
1) we have not had a winning season since Tiller,
2) two coaches since Tiller have been hired and fired,
3) our recruiting has been abysmal,
4) we traditionally have issues trying to recruit top players, even in the immediate area,
5) the athletic department has a bad rep, nationwide, of being cheap with minimal commitments, and
6) we have no proven brand. In fact, the NYT said we "fancy ourselves the 'Cradle of Quarterbacks'" as opposed to Purdue IS the Cradle of Quarterbacks. And they only mentioned Len Dawson, Jim Everett, and Brees - no mention of Griese, Danielson, or even Orton. In other words, several schools have had much better QBs come out since the last significant one we produced. Not much of a cradle anymore, sorry.

The bottom line is that the program is one of the worst Power 5 jobs in the country, and it will take several years to turn the ship around and make it a winning program.

And because of that, no respectable, promising young coach is going to accept a minimum 4 year contract with the risk he could permanently damage his career in that short of time frame. Actually, I am surprised that we got Brohm for less than an 8 year commitment. And I am thrilled we got someone who has a real track record for at least six years - because it may very well take that long.
 
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Do you really think Purdue would have got this caliber of a coach for much less than 6/$20M? This is market value. Lovie Smith got 6/$21M at Illinois.

Also, it is not the years that Purdue is on the hook for. It is the $20M guaranteed. The years don't really matter. Would you be happier with a 5/$20M contract? Herman got 5/$28.75M.

If what you are worried about is the end of Purdue football, then going cheap on this hire would have all but guaranteed it.
Right. I really don't want to pay a coach $3.5M/yr but that is the cost of being competitive in this day and age. We went cheap with Hope and Haze. How'd that work out?

Notre Dame is still paying Weis and last year they gave a 6-yr extension to Kelly. Now the Irish are calling for both Kelly and the AD to be fired. If that happens, ND could be paying up to $25 million on buyouts for those three guys.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-ad-against-athletic-director-jack-swarbrick/
 
Right. I really don't want to pay a coach $3.5M/yr but that is the cost of being competitive in this day and age. We went cheap with Hope and Haze. How'd that work out?

Notre Dame is still paying Weis and last year they gave a 6-yr extension to Kelly. Now the Irish are calling for both Kelly and the AD to be fired. If that happens, ND could be paying up to $25 million on buyouts for those three guys.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-ad-against-athletic-director-jack-swarbrick/
Weis' payments ended last december
 
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I've never really understood why fans care about what their team or club pays for a coach or player. For one, it's not their money. My ticket prices aren't going to all-the-sudden double. Purdue is able to pay Hazell's buyout and still afford facility upgrades, lights and contracts for Brohm and his assistants. I don't think any quality coach would accept anything less than 5 years in the current market. Purdue did what they had to to get their man. Can't we just be happy we're able to say that?
 
If Purdue had been winning B1G West titles and had been in the top 25 year after year, and was considered somewhat of a desirable destination, then a 4-5 year contract might have been within negotiation for a coach coming from the Group of 5.

But we are not. Consider:
1) we have not had a winning season since Tiller,
2) two coaches since Tiller have been hired and fired,
3) our recruiting has been abysmal,
4) we traditionally have issues trying to recruit top players, even in the immediate area,
5) the athletic department has a bad rep, nationwide, of being cheap with minimal commitments, and
6) we have no proven brand. In fact, the NYT said we "fancy ourselves the 'Cradle of Quarterbacks'" as opposed to Purdue IS the Cradle of Quarterbacks. And they only mentioned Len Dawson, Jim Everett, and Brees - no mention of Griese, Danielson, or even Orton. In other words, several schools have had much better QBs come out since the last significant one we produced. Not much of a cradle anymore, sorry.

The bottom line is that the program is one of the worst Power 5 jobs in the country, and it will take several years to turn the ship around and make it a winning program.

And because of that, no respectable, promising young coach is going to accept a minimum 4 year contract with the risk he could permanently damage his career in that short of time frame. Actually, I am surprised that we got Brohm for less than an 8 year commitment. And I am thrilled we got someone who has a real track record for at least six years - because it may very well take that long.

Couldn't have said it better. We have the best possible option to get this back on track. Guessing you're related to Joel. Was on the Hot Dog staff for several years. I've been fighting some health issues since this summer and haven't had the opportunity to meet him yet. We're happy to have him here in Frankfort.
 
I would only go out 4 years initially. If after 2 years the program was trending up I would give him an extension. Six years out of the box concerns me, but maybe I am the only one concerned about the length of the contract.
If after two to three years we are flying high..........good chance he doesn't want the extension and wants to head for greener pastures for 5-6mil a year! Locking this guy up for six years I think is a big plus for us! I am 100% positive this guy will be no DH............I think he turns this around in year two. He is going to have to rely on a handful of JC players the first couple of years being that we are so thin in many areas. I think most of us will be happy with 4-5 wins his first year while being competitive in most games! Looking forward to Spring game for the first time in a very long time.......nice sunny day and I expect to see 20k down there this year.
 
Why did Purdue have to give out a 6 year contract? I certainly hope Brohm rights the ship and wins many games. We as fans have suffered for many years, but Hazell failed us. What if Brohm fails us? Purdue will be on the hook for the remaining years of a very generous contract. I have been a Purdue fan longer than most on this board has been alive so I know disappointment. If Brohm fails to deliver could be the end of Purdue football.

I am happy for the hire, but not the 6 year contract. I wonder if he would only accept 6 years or more???
When IU hired crean to put out their dumpster fire, they gave him 8 years.
 
If after two to three years we are flying high..........good chance he doesn't want the extension and wants to head for greener pastures for 5-6mil a year! Locking this guy up for six years I think is a big plus for us! I am 100% positive this guy will be no DH............I think he turns this around in year two. He is going to have to rely on a handful of JC players the first couple of years being that we are so thin in many areas. I think most of us will be happy with 4-5 wins his first year while being competitive in most games! Looking forward to Spring game for the first time in a very long time.......nice sunny day and I expect to see 20k down there this year.
I've gone to the spring games seems forever and never seen 20k for one. I would sure like to see it.
 
If Purdue had been winning B1G West titles and had been in the top 25 year after year, and was considered somewhat of a desirable destination, then a 4-5 year contract might have been within negotiation for a coach coming from the Group of 5.

But we are not. Consider:
1) we have not had a winning season since Tiller,
2) two coaches since Tiller have been hired and fired,
3) our recruiting has been abysmal,
4) we traditionally have issues trying to recruit top players, even in the immediate area,
5) the athletic department has a bad rep, nationwide, of being cheap with minimal commitments, and
6) we have no proven brand. In fact, the NYT said we "fancy ourselves the 'Cradle of Quarterbacks'" as opposed to Purdue IS the Cradle of Quarterbacks. And they only mentioned Len Dawson, Jim Everett, and Brees - no mention of Griese, Danielson, or even Orton. In other words, several schools have had much better QBs come out since the last significant one we produced. Not much of a cradle anymore, sorry.

The bottom line is that the program is one of the worst Power 5 jobs in the country, and it will take several years to turn the ship around and make it a winning program.

And because of that, no respectable, promising young coach is going to accept a minimum 4 year contract with the risk he could permanently damage his career in that short of time frame. Actually, I am surprised that we got Brohm for less than an 8 year commitment. And I am thrilled we got someone who has a real track record for at least six years - because it may very well take that long.
Thanks for your response as it makes a lot of sense. I sure hope Brohm is the answer.
 
Why did Purdue have to give out a 6 year contract? I certainly hope Brohm rights the ship and wins many games. We as fans have suffered for many years, but Hazell failed us. What if Brohm fails us? Purdue will be on the hook for the remaining years of a very generous contract. I have been a Purdue fan longer than most on this board has been alive so I know disappointment. If Brohm fails to deliver could be the end of Purdue football.

I am happy for the hire, but not the 6 year contract. I wonder if he would only accept 6 years or more???


I said the same thing a couple of days ago, and although a diverse discussion, I was told by several that I didn't know anything. Originally, I was shocked that DH2 got the length and amount of his contract (with only 1 good season as a HC.
 
Do you really think Purdue would have got this caliber of a coach for much less than 6/$20M? This is market value. Lovie Smith got 6/$21M at Illinois.

Also, it is not the years that Purdue is on the hook for. It is the $20M guaranteed. The years don't really matter. Would you be happier with a 5/$20M contract? Herman got 5/$28.75M.

If what you are worried about is the end of Purdue football, then going cheap on this hire would have all but guaranteed it.
Lovie's got more cred's and experience. Brohm's contract is way too close to Lovie's....and before you all start, I'm not a huge Lovie fan either.
 
What are Lovie's college football coaching creds?
In 1983, Smith began coaching linebackers on the college level, first at his alma mater the University of Tulsa (1983–86), and then at University of Wisconsin–Madison (1987), Arizona State University (1988–91), and the University of Kentucky (1992). He also served as defensive backs coach at the University of Tennessee (1993–94), and Ohio State University (1995).

And then he has this on his resume`: Smith began his NFL coaching career as a linebacker coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Under the guidance of Tony Dungy, he helped develop the Tampa 2 defense. After spending five years with Buccaneers, Smith was hired as the defensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams under head coach Mike Martz. While in St. Louis, Smith improved the Rams defense, which went from giving up a league-worst 29.4 points per game in 2000 to an average of 17.1 points in 2001. The Rams won the 2001 NFC Championship and advanced to Super Bowl XXXVI. The team ultimately lost to the New England Patriots in one of the biggest Super Bowl upsets of all time.[4]
 
No coach worth hiring is going to accept a short term contract. A minimum of 5 for recruiting is needed.
 
What is going to be harder to swallow than this initial contract is he may need an extension in a few years, even with a mediocre record.
What I expect to see between now and then are progress besides wins and losses. Identity. Consistency. Recruiting. Player development.
 
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