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Has Vaccine Efficacy Turned Negative?

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Watershed moment for the "progressive era"...

Fun fact, there was a "progressive" era around the turn of the last century too...what happened to it? People realized it was not the kind of progress they wanted and it disappeared.
 

Watershed moment for the "progressive era"...

Fun fact, there was a "progressive" era around the turn of the last century too...what happened to it? People realized it was not the kind of progress they wanted and it disappeared.

Interesting enough their were 9 of the 19 vaccinated & mostly boosted came down with Covid after our family Christmas party.

Two attended that were unvaxed, but previously had Covid did not get anything and were fine as were the rest of the vaxed their.

As our family has several health care pros and emergency room workers we always seem to get exposed quickly....this time to Omicron.
 
Interesting enough their were 9 of the 19 vaccinated & mostly boosted came down with Covid after our family Christmas party.

Two attended that were unvaxed, but previously had Covid did not get anything and were fine as were the rest of the vaxed their.

As our family has several health care pros and emergency room workers we always seem to get exposed quickly....this time to Omicron.

My experience with the vac was that the one shot I got made it impossible to sleep for three days and sent my overall health into a tailspin, such thatI was way more susceptible to illness than I was pre shot. I suspect that hitting the immune system with a sledgehammer as the vax does is responsible for more harm than good, in the short term at least. It took me 6 weeks to recover from 1 shot
 

Watershed moment for the "progressive era"...

Fun fact, there was a "progressive" era around the turn of the last century too...what happened to it? People realized it was not the kind of progress they wanted and it disappeared.
I had seen this predicted about a year ago. did not pay much attention because it seemed like a reach at best. But I do remember some doctor explaining it. Sorry don't remember the technical reasons as to why.
 

Watershed moment for the "progressive era"...

Fun fact, there was a "progressive" era around the turn of the last century too...what happened to it? People realized it was not the kind of progress they wanted and it disappeared.
Alex Berenson?

Why am I not surprised that you find one of the absolute shittiest people when it comes to covid hot takes and use him as some type of authority here. I mean it falls right in line with your general batshittery, so it definitely tracks here.
 
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I had seen this predicted about a year ago. did not pay much attention because it seemed like a reach at best. But I do remember some doctor explaining it. Sorry don't remember the technical reasons as to why.

It makes complete logical sense. There is a tradeoff between lethality and transmissibility.

If the vaccine makes something less lethal, then the virus can become more virulent and more transmissible as a way of maximizing replication....so it will hit the unexposed even harder.

Just like antibiotic resistance and why u are supposed to always finish your course of antibiotics, you dont want any survivors. This vaccine leaves lots of survivors. The survivors will optimize for a resistant population, thereby becoming even more dangerous to everyone else
 
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Fun fact, there was a "progressive" era around the turn of the last century too...what happened to it? People realized it was not the kind of progress they wanted and it disappeared.
Yeah, it totally disappeared. Social Security, the FDIC, the Federal Housing Admin, TVA, and everything built by the WPA don't exist at all. You're a genius.
 
Yeah, it totally disappeared. Social Security, the FDIC, the Federal Housing Admin, TVA, and everything built by the WPA don't exist at all. You're a genius.

A few things here:

The socialist programs you are referring to were not part of the turn of the Century political movement of 1890 - 1920, that encompasses the policies of Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. The term "progressive" died out because these policies lost favor.

Second, is there any better illustration of the zombie nature of government programs than the programs you refer to?
 
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A few things here:

The socialist programs you are referring to were not part of the turn of the Century political movement of 1890 - 1920, that encompasses the policies of Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson. The term "progressive" died out because these policies lost favor.

Second, is there any better illustration of the zombie nature of government programs than the programs you refer to?
since government programs rarely, "if ever", die zombie is an accurate depiction
 

Watershed moment for the "progressive era"...

Fun fact, there was a "progressive" era around the turn of the last century too...what happened to it? People realized it was not the kind of progress they wanted and it disappeared.

Geez, can't believe people are really falling for this kind of stuff.

Comparing raw number is misleading. There are several reasons. For one, a country / city that has a very high vaccination rate will likely have less restriction, because the healthcare system is not overwhelmed. As such, it is not unusual for high vaccination city to have more cases, even on a per-capita basis. It's really about how draconian you want to get. China has one of the toughest rules about what their citizens can do. In raw number or even on a per-capita basis, they are arguably the best in the world, by a wide margin. But you want to live there where ANY community infection can quickly lead to lockdown? Where everyone is tracked and there is no personal liberty or privacy? In Hong Kong, EVERYONE entering the city is required to have a 21-day quarantine. Is that what we want in the U.S.? You fly from Chicago to Vegas, but you have to be quarantined inside a designated location for 21 days before you can go anywhere?

Second, when a place has a high vaccination rate, the data will be very much skewed. Say for example, in a city of 10000 people, 95% are vaccinated, and 5% not. Among the 9500 vaccinated, 1% got sick and needed to go to the hospital, so 95 people. Among the 500 who are unvaccinated, 10% got seriously sick, so 50 people. By comparing raw number, almost twice as many people in the hospital are vaxed, but it is actually 10x as likely you become seriously sick if you are unvaxed.

Third, never trust a chart where you cannot see the y-axis. You can artificially make charts look any way you like by fooling around with the y-axis. This is kindergarten stuff when it comes to lying with statistics.

Fourth, read the source! The great Alex Berenson shows charts on a Danish study that suggested vaccine effectiveness is negative after 90 days, and so Berenson used it as evidence against vaccination. Yet, if one would just actually click on the source and read what the author of the study says,

"In light of the exponential rise in Omicron cases, these findings highlight the need for massive rollout of vaccinations and booster vaccinations."

The researchers have a totally different conclusion!!! So, shall we trust the scientists who actually did the research, or the idiot who finds one chart that fit his narrative, and then promotes it without even understanding what that chart means? The funny thing about the vaccine-hesitant is that they love the "I'll do my own research" excuse, which is really about researching (hmmm, googling) whether there is some article/chart/link that supports his "Vaccine is useless" narrative. But the chart that they cite comes from experts who ACTUALLY DO THE RESEARCH, and they were saying their findings show a need of MASSIVE ROLLOUT OF VACCINATIONS AND BOOSTER. SMH.

Look, it's idiotic to blame the vaccine for not able to handle Omicron. The vaccine was developed against the first version of Covid-19, before Delta and Omicron. The efficacy was high, like 95%. Imagine an alternative universe where there is zero vaccine skeptic, and everyone is vax'ed as soon as it is available, then may be we won't even have Delta or Omicron. But in this imperfect world with misinformation, because so many people refused to vax, then we have more and more variants, which makes the original vaccine less effective, and then the same vaccine-skeptic blame the vaccine, not realizing that it was all their own self-fulfilling prophecy. It would be like an insecure girlfriend who always thinks her boyfriend would cheat on her, and so she excessively nag him and check on him, which scares him away, and thus she can say, "I KNEW IT!" and not even aware it was all her own making.

As for Omicron, maybe it is a blessing in disguise. Its death rate is much lower, esp. to those who are boosted. Since it is now becoming the dominant strain and seemingly won the Hunger Games among Covid variants, then maybe, just maybe, we can get our normal life back at some point if we can get the death rate to just like seasonal flu. Let's just hope for that. We are actually on the same team here.
 
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