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haha stupid apple thats what you get for using china

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/beijing-bans-iphone-6-models-131228074.html

The real cost of chinese labor. They steal your shit and then the government kicks you out! Couldn't have happened to a better company. I hope their stock goes down the toilet.

A Beijing ban, interesting. Kind of like how prostitution is legal anywhere in Nevada except Clark County. I don't think it will have an impact unless it sparks other cities' regulatory bodies to respond in kind or if it goes national. But yeah doing business with China given their whimsical controls and aggressive IP theft is always a massive risk.
 
A Beijing ban, interesting. Kind of like how prostitution is legal anywhere in Nevada except Clark County. I don't think it will have an impact unless it sparks other cities' regulatory bodies to respond in kind or if it goes national. But yeah doing business with China given their whimsical controls and aggressive IP theft is always a massive risk.
Oh someone probably dropped the bribe off at the wrong house.
 
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This ban has nothing to do with using Chinese labor: they WANT you to use their labor. They DON'T want you selling your products in their market. I would hardly call a company stupid for trying to get in on the single largest tech-hungry market in the entire world.
 
This ban has nothing to do with using Chinese labor: they WANT you to use their labor. They DON'T want you selling your products in their market. I would hardly call a company stupid for trying to get in on the single largest tech-hungry market in the entire world.
Sure it does. If it's made there, it's easier to steal!
 
Sure it does. If it's made there, it's easier to steal!
Almost all of an iPhone's parts are outsourced and individually constructed separate from the phone anyway. The "ground breaking" hardware in the phone was the crystal screen, but that's now common, so again this isn't about their labor. The OS and software is really what's important, and there's really not much secret there either anymore. It's about China protecting its market from foreign competition because, well, that's what Communists do.

I can't wait to see that House of Cards that is the Chinese economy fall, and I often think about how much longer they can continue the shell game (e.g. currency manipulation, overproduction in government-owned factories to keep economic growth up, continued stock piling product with no market for sale, etc.).
 
I can't wait to see that House of Cards that is the Chinese economy fall, and I often think about how much longer they can continue the shell game (e.g. currency manipulation, overproduction in government-owned factories to keep economic growth up, continued stock piling product with no market for sale, etc.).

Yep China is running a complete shell game and IMO it's not going to end well. There are so many zombie and shell companies getting free state money right now, and they're creating massive overcapacity and inventory, but all that can't go on forever (though it could go on a fair bit longer especially with their manipulated statistics hiding things). Bare minimum it should manifest in massive currency depreciation over the next decade.

In the longer-term, China's demographics are miserable, like a lot of countries, so their ratios of workers to retirees will go south on them soon, which will compound things. Decades of one-child didn't help there although politically and economically speaking they also didn't need a few hundred million more people running around either.

Japan will implode more quickly than China, though, IMO, or again at least their currency will likely heavily decay. Their mountain of government debt will never get repaid in the traditional sense of the word "repayment". Either the Japanese government will basically retire much of the debt (gov't buys its own bonds and never "requires" repayment or extends to crazy-long maturities), or, they'll repay it through currency that is worth a fraction of what it was worth when the bond was bought.

When you mix in a few other "lost cause" major country economies as well as countries with entirely too much debt and unfunded liabilities, it's unprecedented and super-risky. I'm not sure if there will be an endgame to all of this or if it will just manifest in decades of zero-growth and deflation. What I do believe is that this was perhaps the biggest case of intergenerational theft in world history, as trillions and trillions of dollars of demand and consumption simply got pulled from the future to the present/past. The younger generation got royally screwed here and have a right to be mad as hell.
 
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Yep China is running a complete shell game and IMO it's not going to end well. There are so many zombie and shell companies getting free state money right now, and they're creating massive overcapacity and inventory, but all that can't go on forever (though it could go on a fair bit longer especially with their manipulated statistics hiding things). Bare minimum it should manifest in massive currency depreciation over the next decade.

In the longer-term, China's demographics are miserable, like a lot of countries, so their ratios of workers to retirees will go south on them soon, which will compound things. Decades of one-child didn't help there although politically and economically speaking they also didn't need a few hundred million more people running around either.

Japan will implode more quickly than China, though, IMO, or again at least their currency will likely heavily decay. Their mountain of government debt will never get repaid in the traditional sense of the word "repayment". Either the Japanese government will basically retire much of the debt (gov't buys its own bonds and never "requires" repayment or extends to crazy-long maturities), or, they'll repay it through currency that is worth a fraction of what it was worth when the bond was bought.

When you mix in a few other "lost cause" major country economies as well as countries with entirely too much debt and unfunded liabilities, it's unprecedented and super-risky. I'm not sure if there will be an endgame to all of this or if it will just manifest in decades of zero-growth and deflation. What I do believe is that this was perhaps the biggest case of intergenerational theft in world history, as trillions and trillions of dollars of demand and consumption simply got pulled from the future to the present/past. The younger generation got royally screwed here and have a right to be mad as hell.


The younger generation should have thought of it first, the stupid babies.
 
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