Haas and a sky hook

[reswat]

If Haas just dedicated his summer to becoming a master of the sky hook, he could be the player of the year next year. I believe that.

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There's just no good reason why big men shouldn't be using this.

 

[reswat]

Actually, I would go one step further. Kareem often dribbled before shooting. I think Haas should learn to take a sky hook without dribbling. That would be essentially unstoppable.

 

[tjreese]

Actually, I would go one step further. Kareem often dribbled before shooting. I think Haas should learn to take a sky hook without dribbling. That would be essentially unstoppable.

Haas has used a jump hook a "few" times this year...

 

[tjreese]

Haas has used a jump hook a "few" times this year...

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I remember Jimmie Howell (Mount Vernon) pushing the jump hook back inthe 80s?

 

[parkerman]

That image of Kareem shooting over Wilt is breathtaking.

 

[TX4GB]

Yes, Haas would dominate if he would master a sky hook. It would be trend setting again. Joe Barry Carroll used it quite a bit back in the day too.

 

[BoilerinLouisville]

The Gonzaga big utilizes a nice hook shot coming across the lane and he's close to Haas's size.
I agree would be nice for him to have that special move

 

[tjreese]

The Gonzaga big utilizes a nice hook shot coming across the lane and he's close to Haas's size.
I agree would be nice for him to have that special move

haas get hurt when he has to move with a dribble...woudl be great if he could get quicker...

 

[todd brewster]

Haas just needs to play more. If I was him, I would enter the draft. He will be a late first round draft choice and he can play against guys his size during the summer leagues. Next year, he can give some team 15 productive minutes a game off the bench.

 

[depthcharge623]

Can someone explain to an idiot like me what the difference between a Sky Hook, Jump Hook, and Baby Hook is?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Haas just needs to play more. If I was him, I would enter the draft. He will be a late first round draft choice and he can play against guys his size during the summer leagues. Next year, he can give some team 15 productive minutes a game off the bench.

I would love to see your sources for Haas ending up as a late first round draft pick in any sort of mock draft. Its a good thing you and Haas aren't related or that he doesn't rely on you for advice...

Honestly, link us to one site that has Haas as a late first round pick in this draft.

 

[Dakota Girl]

A jump or a sky hook would be great to develop. I would really like them to be done over his right shoulder. He has no solid move to that side and it would make him devastating. I also would like to see him work on jumping straight up when in the charge block circle without reaching to try and block a shot.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Can someone explain to an idiot like me what the difference between a Sky Hook, Jump Hook, and Baby Hook is?

Think of it as the level of commitment to the hook. A sky hook as a big, full sweeping move usually shot after one dribble and a layup like step with a full arm extension arc to the highest possible release point.
A jump hook is more compact and is more of a partial turn around jumper keeping your body between the defender and your shooting hand.
I don't know what a baby hook is.

 

[tjreese]

Think of it as the level of commitment to the hook. A sky hook as a big, full sweeping move usually shot after one dribble and a layup like step with a full arm extension arc to the highest possible release point.
A jump hook is more compact and is more of a partial turn around jumper keeping your body between the defender and your shooting hand.
I don't know what a baby hook is.

I like the wording and would only add that I think more athleticism is needed for Jabbar's hook or "sky hook" as you alluded but may not be clear to some. A baby's hook must be PJ's hook? I think AJ did some jump hooks and a hybrid between a jump hook and that partial jumper you describe...and was generally effective with it

 

[todd brewster]

I would love to see your sources for Haas ending up as a late first round draft pick in any sort of mock draft. Its a good thing you and Haas aren't related or that he doesn't rely on you for advice...
Honestly, link us to one site that has Haas as a late first round pick in this draft.

The important things an NBA scout looks for are size, strength, post skills and attitude. Haas grades very high in all. They also look at athleticism and this is his weakness. There will be several teams that will want Haas as a change of pace center. Haas can come in and score points and draw fouls against their center. He will also be encouraged to play more aggressively. Haas plays good post defense and boxes out his man very well.

You are in for a big surprise when Haas declares. The only reason he won't is if he is really enjoying campus life and is focused on becoming an engineer.

 

[todd brewster]

The important things an NBA scout looks for are size, strength, post skills and attitude. Haas grades very high in all. They also look at athleticism and this is his weakness. There will be several teams that will want Haas as a change of pace center. Haas can come in and score points and draw fouls against their center. He will also be encouraged to play more aggressively. Haas plays good post defense and boxes out his man very well.
You are in for a big surprise when Haas declares. The only reason he won't is if he is really enjoying campus life and is focused on becoming an engineer.

BTW, a sky hook is when you release the ball with your elbow very near to your ear. It is the shot released with your hand as high as you can reach and then a flick of the wrist. This is why Jabbar being 7' 4" he was so effective. A jump hook is when the ball is released more 3 quarter where the player has more control. You are high, but also reaching away from the defender. A baby hook is almost a cross of a shot and a hook. It is done more as a power move, when you can feel the opponent bodying you.

 

[BoilerStation]

A sky hook would never happen with him and he would never master it in a year. I prefer the short quick baby one handed shot Hammons was great at last year from up to like 10 feet from the basket. His moves are so slow that if he is far away from the basket I'd rather he just go straight up as quick as possible. When he takes the time to dribble he opens himself up to being stripped, an actual travel or poorly called travel or a turn to the basket far too close to the baseline where he can't get a good shot of. Happens a lot when he turns to his left shoulder and gets himself too far under the basket

 

[TwinDegrees2]

If Haas just dedicated his summer to becoming a master of the sky hook, he could be the player of the year next year. I believe that.

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There's just no good reason why big men shouldn't be using this.

Kareem was much more of an athlete. He was quicker than Haas, his footwork was so much better, and he was just an all around better player.

That said, I hope he works hard on something all summer.

 

[reswat]

Can someone explain to an idiot like me what the difference between a Sky Hook, Jump Hook, and Baby Hook is?

In my mind, the big difference between a Sky Hook and Jump Hook is the position of the body.

Imagine drawing a a line through your shoulders. With a Sky Hook, that line points to the basket. (That is, your body is sideways.) With a Jump Hook, the line through your shoulders does not point to the basket. Your body is turned maybe halfway to the basket. A Jump Hook is almost like a one-handed jump shot.

The key advantage of Sky Hook is that you have the full width of your shoulders between you and your man. Plus, you have a fully extended arm for even more length. That's why it's essentially unblockable.

With a Jump Hook, you open your body more and don't extend your arm as much. Both of those tend to make it easier to block.

 

[reswat]

A sky hook would never happen with him and he would never master it in a year.

Why do you say that?

With a shot that close to the basket, I think you could take probably one every five seconds. Let's say 10 per minute. In one hour, he could shoot 600 shots. With breaks, he should be able to shoot 1000 shots in 2 hours.

Assume he did this 20 days per month for April-September. That would be 1000 x 20 x 6 = 120,000 shots.

If he did that, I believe he'd be Big Ten, and maybe National Player of the Year next year. He'd be unstoppable.

 

[mediaexpert]

Haas was unstoppable against Kansas and yet he did not start the second half. The thing Haas has to learn is to go after rebounds like Biggie did. Instead Haas boxes out his man to let other teammates grab the board. IMO Haas is afraid to pick up fouls and needs to play pro, where he will be encouraged to play aggressively. And yes it would be nice if he picked up the hook shot too.

 

[boilernuke]

Haas was unstoppable against Kansas and yet he did not start the second half. The thing Haas has to learn is to go after rebounds like Biggie did. Instead Haas boxes out his man to let other teammates grab the board. IMO Haas is afraid to pick up fouls and needs to play pro, where he will be encouraged to play aggressively. And yes it would be nice if he picked up the hook shot too.

I've noticed much of Haas difficulty with boards is that opponents hang on his arms and it rearely gets called. Not sure what he can do with them.

 

[mediaexpert]

I've noticed much of Haas difficulty with boards is that opponents hang on his arms and it rearely gets called. Not sure what he can do with them.

Haas needs to practice having someone jump on his back and then going up and dunking. He needs to start emulating Chamberlain.

 

[BoiledSteel]

If I were Haas, I would take the mentality next season to just be aggressive knowing that fouls are going to be called on me no matter what, so I might as well punish people while I am in the game.

It means he would probably foul out a lot, but a timid Haas does us no good really. Just accept how things are going to be called, or not called, against you and play angry.

 

[Dryfly88]

If I were Haas, I would take the mentality next season to just be aggressive knowing that fouls are going to be called on me no matter what, so I might as well punish people while I am in the game.

It means he would probably foul out a lot, but a timid Haas does us no good really. Just accept how things are going to be called, or not called, against you and play angry.

I agree completely. He's only going to play 20-25 minutes anyway so why not be as aggressive as possible during those minutes? When this came up earlier during the season, some argued he would just get into foul trouble. My point is he gets in foul trouble anyway. It was obvious during the latter part of the season that he was getting frustrated. I was getting frustrated for him!

 

[Dakota Girl]

Why do you say that?

With a shot that close to the basket, I think you could take probably one every five seconds. Let's say 10 per minute. In one hour, he could shoot 600 shots. With breaks, he should be able to shoot 1000 shots in 2 hours.

Assume he did this 20 days per month for April-September. That would be 1000 x 20 x 6 = 120,000 shots.

If he did that, I believe he'd be Big Ten, and maybe National Player of the Year next year. He'd be unstoppable.

I agree he could master it. I don't know how often he would have uncluttered lane in which to attempt it. He gets lots of doubles and digs.

 

[BoiledSteel]

My point is he gets in foul trouble anyway.

Exactly. At this point in his career it isn't going to change so embrace it and get those fouls with style! By dunking all over someone.

 

[cprh9u]

I would love to see your sources for Haas ending up as a late first round draft pick in any sort of mock draft. Its a good thing you and Haas aren't related or that he doesn't rely on you for advice...

Honestly, link us to one site that has Haas as a late first round pick in this draft.

Agreed. I have no doubt Haas will be given a chance due to his size, but if that chance is given next year (or very likely in 2 years) it will not be from round 1 of the NBA draft.

 

[mediaexpert]

If I were Haas, I would take the mentality next season to just be aggressive knowing that fouls are going to be called on me no matter what, so I might as well punish people while I am in the game.
It means he would probably foul out a lot, but a timid Haas does us no good really. Just accept how things are going to be called, or not called, against you and play angry.

Your post is why I agree with others that Haas should join the NBA draft. Whenever, he played aggressively during the season this year he was pulled. During the regular season and before the Playoffs, Haas should have been allowed to play aggressively and he should have been slated to play at least 25 minutes a game. Against Vermont, when we played the big 3 together we took command of the game. Haas went crazy against Iowa State the first half and then only played with 4 guards in the 2nd. Against Kansas, Haas was unstoppable in the first half and did not start the 2nd. I would be frustrated too. If he has to play timid in the NCAA, then join the NBA. There he will be a good change of pace and score, but hopefully he will get a coach who will reward him for being aggressive. Haas is good friends with AJH and he can find out what an NBA team is doing to develop him. If it is better than being at Purdue, IMO will be drafted in the 1st round like AJ. They are both good players, but they both need to learn to be more aggressive. IMO, it may be that they are both good people and it is against their nature, but what do I know?

 

[reswat]

I agree he could master it. I don't know how often he would have uncluttered lane in which to attempt it. He gets lots of doubles and digs.

I agree, he does get lots of doubles and digs. The solution to both of those, for the most part, is to shoot it without dribbling.

So, I recommend that Haas shoot over 100,000 hooks shots this summer with no dribble. Catch the ball, jump off the left foot, keeping the full width of his shoulders pointed at the rim (to keep his man as far away as possible). Extend his arm as high as possible and just flick it in.

If the other team did choose to double-team immediately when he caught it, then someone else is open, and that someone can hit 3's at 40% or higher.

This may seem overly simple, but I think it is simple. The Sky Hook was never 'figured out'. Nobody can stop it. It was the primary tool of the leading scoring in NBA history.

It just went out of style & isn't 'sexy', which are both really stupid reasons not to use it.

Scoring lots of points and winning games should be sexy enough.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I agree he could master it. I don't know how often he would have uncluttered lane in which to attempt it. He gets lots of doubles and digs.

That's where I believe the "jump hook" would be the style of choice in that scenario; also keeping the ball higher from the start. To be proficient at the "sky" hook (or a version of it), you'd need room in the lane or be on the baseline. Bill Walton used the jump hook effectively in a more "crowded" environment..."C'mon, one time please, will a big man just try it; it's been tried and true tested in the Pantheon....made and perfected at the home of championship basketball....Pauley Pavillion."

Wouldn't mind seeing IH try to use the backboard more as well.

 

[Dakota Girl]

I agree, he does get lots of doubles and digs. The solution to both of those, for the most part, is to shoot it without dribbling.

So, I recommend that Haas shoot over 100,000 hooks shots this summer with no dribble. Catch the ball, jump off the left foot, keeping the full width of his shoulders pointed at the rim (to keep his man as far away as possible). Extend his arm as high as possible and just flick it in.

If the other team did choose to double-team immediately when he caught it, then someone else is open, and that someone can hit 3's at 40% or higher.

This may seem overly simple, but I think it is simple. The Sky Hook was never 'figured out'. Nobody can stop it. It was the primary tool of the leading scoring in NBA history.

It just went out of style & isn't 'sexy', which are both really stupid reasons not to use it.

Scoring lots of points and winning games should be sexy enough.

I've used it in my youth. It's easier with a rythum step and dribble. That and a good jump hook would be fantastic for his left hand to give him a move over his right shoulder. It would make him living hell to defend.

 

[Dakota Girl]

That's where I believe the "jump hook" would be the style of choice in that scenario; also keeping the ball higher from the start. To be proficient at the "sky" hook (or a version of it), you'd need room in the lane or be on the baseline. Bill Walton used the jump hook effectively in a more "crowded" environment..."C'mon, one time please, will a big man just try it; it's been tried and true tested in the Pantheon....made and perfected at the home of championship basketball....Pauley Pavillion."

Wouldn't mind seeing IH try to use the backboard more as well.

Agree on all counts. Whatever move learns, I hope it's over his right shoulder. Needs a good move from either side of the lane.

 

[reswat]

Agree on all counts. Whatever move learns, I hope it's over his right shoulder. Needs a good move from either side of the lane.

I agree he needs a good move to his right (when his back is to the basket.)

Maybe this summer he should take 50,000 hook shots with his left and 50,000 with his right.

 

[Boiler Wolf]

Haas would benefit from having some kind of shot further from the basket. We all know he can dominate down low. But he gets into trouble when the defender keeps him away. He either tries to dribble and bad things happen or he shoots and misses badly. He needs to be able to hit shots 10 feet from the basket. Whether it is a hook shot or jumper, he needs more range. Right now his range is 3 foot.