Great Carmin piece on Brohm hiring process
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"Brohm even spoke with former Purdue coach Danny Hope about the job. Hope told Brohm to take it. "
This speaks to what some on here have said over and over again. Danny Hope was a good man who deserved to have more commitment from those above him. The fact he got to bowl games was incredible considering what many of us as fans know now about the total lack of commitment from every angle.
after reading it, it was nice of Hope to recommend CJB to take the job.
Most of this wasn't new information, but further emphasizes that Brohm was #1 all along.
The part I found interesting and didn't know is that Bobinski was working plan B hard already before Brohm had a chance to take or turn down the job. That part is in stark contrast to Burke when we got Hazel where Butch Jones was the number 1 choice and he was busy playing Colorado against us only to then end up at Tennessee leaving us scrambling to find a back up plan as a lot of the next top choices were committing to new jobs already. The more I read about Bobinski, the more impressed I am. He is a very proactive AD.
The part I found interesting and didn't know is that Bobinski was working plan B hard already before Brohm had a chance to take or turn down the job. That part is in stark contrast to Burke when we got Hazel where Butch Jones was the number 1 choice and he was busy playing Colorado against us only to then end up at Tennessee leaving us scrambling to find a back up plan as a lot of the next top choices were committing to new jobs already. The more I read about Bobinski, the more impressed I am. He is a very proactive AD.
Hope's ill will was for Burke, not Purdue.
I realize that but sometimes people hold grudges for all the wrong reasons plus he could have mentioned about the funding, facilities, or anything else.
Hope was here during the Tiller days, he knows what it's like when things are going good.
The Hope story is consistent with what has been previously reported.
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/danny-hope-told-brohm-to-chose-purdue.111285/
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/danny-hope-told-brohm-to-chose-purdue.111285/
I do wonder what Hope could have done with a state of the art football complex and more budget for assistant coach salaries. He really did do an admirable job scratching out 5 to 7 wins and may or may not have continued to do so. Gary Nord is another guy that in hindsight was somewhat underappreciated. But I said back in December, perhaps hitting rock bottom was needed as a wake-up call to the underlying problems.
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/danny-hope-told-brohm-to-chose-purdue.111285/
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/danny-hope-told-brohm-to-chose-purdue.111285/
I do wonder what Hope could have done with a state of the art football complex and more budget for assistant coach salaries. He really did do an admirable job scratching out 5 to 7 wins and may or may not have continued to do so. Gary Nord is another guy that in hindsight was somewhat underappreciated. But I said back in December, perhaps hitting rock bottom was needed as a wake-up call to the underlying problems.
Not sure as he's recruiting wasn't that great. He was obsessed with athletes and speed, while regularly ignoring size along the lines. He'd just recruit kids and then move them to a position that they didn't have the size to play.
Hope's a good guy, but he wasn't cut out to be the head man.
Maybe in the defensive back seven on the size thing, but overall not really. And frankly, wouldn't you love to have some of those DBs back that Hope recruited?
Hazell was big on size in his recruiting, to the point of taking a bunch of 6'3"+ DBs who couldn't cover my grandma.
I am of 2 minds on Hope's approach to the lines. His best line at Purdue was the Rose Bowl team with a converted TE, 3 converted D-linemen and 1 true OL recruit. He put 2 convereted D-linemen in the NFL as OL players too during his second stint. Of course the Rose Bowl was almost 2 decades ago when there was much less specialization in HS along the lines.
Yes, but as HC, he would try to put guys that were HS CB at LB or hope they bulk enough to play on the DL. If we started out with guys as big as a TE (most HS TE are blockers/linemen anyways especially back then) or LB that might have helped. It wasn't the skill positions that were an issue under Hope, it was every where else.
So did Tiller. Joe Holland was a HS safety. Its not uncommon at programs like Purdue.
As for the lines, he started to rectify the OL problem late in his tenure. He recruited King, Roos and Cermin who turned into productive players. Who knows what he would have done, but it certainly would have been better than the dumpster fire Hazell lit.
I won't dispute the "head man" part, but Danny Hope has long been considered one of the top when it comes to recruiting. He was at the levers of the recruiting machine when Tiller was at the helm.
Yes!
I don't understand this incessant bashing of former coaches and administrators. When Tiller was HC we brought in QBs and turned them into top Safeties, Linebackers and Running Backs. WTH.
And TEs were moved to OL.
In general, personnel was moved to best suit our needs. Happens everywhere. It's part of leading an organization.
Actually he was not. He was always coming to Joe with some great prospect he had found. It didn't take long for Joe to figure out that Hope could not evaluate talent.
Lots of revisionist history here.
Lots of talent on that 2009 team...enough to beat a top 10 OSU team and all we could muster was 5 wins. Pretty sad.
We haven't had a team as talented as that 09 team in a long time.
Go look at that d line...monsters. We haven't had WRs as productive as Smith or Valentin since (maybe Yancey?). That level of talent just post tiller is what we need to aspire to. It was all downhill from there.
Lots of talent on that 2009 team...enough to beat a top 10 OSU team and all we could muster was 5 wins. Pretty sad.
We haven't had a team as talented as that 09 team in a long time.
Go look at that d line...monsters. We haven't had WRs as productive as Smith or Valentin since (maybe Yancey?). That level of talent just post tiller is what we need to aspire to. It was all downhill from there.
You're absolutely right JohnnyDoeBoiler. Danny Hope was never given the tools to succeed, and I think he did quite well considering what we now know.
Yeah he could get players, but during Tiller I think Tiller was probably giving him so direction and we seemed more balanced recruiting.
You would've never found out, because Hope would've only got a courtesy interview, if Purdue was investing heavily in football.
He should consider himself lucky he got to coach a big ten team for 4 years. He didn't have the resume to warrant the opportunity.
Also part of that class were Prince, Warburg and Smith (JC transfer). Prince fell victim to injuries, Warburg didn't play, and Smith didn't play much.
Hazell's first OL class was miniscule, I can't remember anyone other than Tretter, and he got his career ending injury early on.
IMHO, you need lots of OL guys for depth, and you need younger guys pushing the veterans; and you need veterans teaching the young guys. There haven't been enough of either, the last couple of years.
I can agree with that, to an extent.. We would likely not have found out. He did not have the resume for a Big Ten HC job. It was a hypothetical.. But being the fall guy for a program struggling due to meager support/investments, Big Ten or not, certainly didn't do him much of a favor. For a few hundred grand less perhaps he could have been a moderately successful MAC coach.. My only point from my hypothetical was that his legacy cannot be viewed in a vacuum. He isn't the hero of the story, but he isn't the villain either. Far, far from it. Putting the blame on Hope for the downfall from the Tiller years is misguided.
Completely agree. If Hope had the right backing from our lame duck AD, he might of been very successful here based on what he was able to do with so little.
It amazes me how bad Burke was and how he decimated our sports programs as a whole, other than swimming.
Do you think the tipping point for Brohm was when Hazell agreed to leave him a copy of his players manual, "A Players Get A's"?????????
