Georgia's supposed "Voter Suppression" laws
- Thread starter Boilermaker03
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The Democrats are squealing that requiring an ID to vote is voter supression. The woke are parroting this nonsense without giving any thought to the alternative.
Even more insideous is the Dems attempt to legitimize ballot harvesting. A dude shows up at the door and 'helps' a citizen request a mail-in ballot. When it arrives, the helper returns, helps him vote, then takes the ballot with him to deliver it.
Even more insideous is the Dems attempt to legitimize ballot harvesting. A dude shows up at the door and 'helps' a citizen request a mail-in ballot. When it arrives, the helper returns, helps him vote, then takes the ballot with him to deliver it.
99% of all eligible voters in Georgia already have an ID...
Of course. Try naming one adult citizen in America who doesn't have an ID of one form or another.
A lot of elderly do not have one. Some of those do not have a birth certificate even get one without paying.
Not sure what the status now, probably more now than what it used to be but as of 2008 a lot of blacks in urban areas did not have an ID for various reasons. That is how and when all this voter suppression business started in the first place. Then moved on to mail in ballot restrictions, absentee restrictions, Sunday voting restrictions etc.
Imagine voting without an ID requirement. A guy just shows up at the polling station, you give him a ballot and he votes?
My small town of Madison, Indiana has about a dozen polling stations. What would stop me from going to all of them on election day and voting twelve times under different names?
Again you guys are fixated on voter ID. I don't think that is much of an issue anymore. I never had an issue with it. I just had an issue as to when voter ID picked up steam which was after the 2008 election when Obama won. I've said this over an over about the repub strategists. Voter ID was never a concern prior to 2008.
The issue now is not ID. It is the aforementioned restrictions on mail on, absentee, Sunday voting, drive bys etc.
As someone who doesn't have a huge problem with voter ID, provided it's free and easily accessible to all, you've presented a ridiculous scenario here. For your plan to vote 12 times in 12 different precincts, and to not get caught, to succeed, you'd have to do/hope for the following:
1. You know the accurate names/addresses/polling places of the people you propose impersonate
2. Those people haven't already voted before you arrived at the polling place, which would expose you as a fake voter
3. Those people don't come in to vote after you, which would also expose you as a fake voter
4. You can plausibly forge that person's signature in the poll book
5. You're not caught on security cameras voting in multiple places
6. You're willing to risk going to jail in order to get a net gain of 11 votes
7. You're willing to, potentially, give up your right to vote for the rest of your life for a net gain of 11 votes
We voted without ID for decades and there are states that still don't require it. In-person voter fraud (the only kind voter ID could possibly prevent) has been studied. It's basically non-existent nationwide. It's a solution in search of a problem. Boilermaker03 suggested that 99% of people in Georgia have an ID, a claim to which you agreed. First of all, that might be true, but citation needed. That said, would removing 1% of Joe Biden's vote total in GA have changed the outcome? Given the narrow margin, clearly yes. Very few people don't have the necessary ID, but orders of magnitude fewer people vote fraudulently in elections. So, the admittedly small impact that Voter ID might have has dramatically more potential to change an election outcome than does voter fraud.
Voter ID is a point of contention, for sure, and it, objectively, makes voting more secure. Whether or not it actually needs to be made more secure that it already is is another question we probably won't agree on. That said, what problem do Republicans have with automatic voter registration? How does that lead to cheating? What problem do Republicans have with expanded early voting days/hours? How does that lead to cheating? What problem do Republicans have with mobile polling places? How does that lead to cheating? What problem do Republicans have with same-day registration? How does that lead to cheating?
Pretty transparently, I think, these laws are designed to prevent people from voting. Some will point out, accurately, that they don't make it so people CAN'T vote (in almost all cases, but I'm sure there are very few people that can't get an ID for some reason). It's just that Republicans know that having these kinds of requirements mean that some people who otherwise would choose to vote will choose not to just because of the hassle. Their research shows that the majority of people who fall into that category are people who are likely to vote for Democrats.
For both parties, it's purely a political calculation. Republicans think they'll have a better chance to win if fewer people choose to vote, so they try to make it harder. Democrats think they'll have a better chance to win if more people choose to vote, so they try to make it easier. Philosophically, I think greater participation in voting is a healthy thing for a democracy, so I fall in line with Democrats on this issue. If it were actually demonstrated that voter fraud were a problem that needed to be solved, I'd be in line with Republicans in saying additional safeguards are necessary. But, as of now, there's been no such demonstration.
Broadening what can be used as voter ID
The bill would also weaken state voter ID requirements. Some states have what are known as strict photo ID laws, which requires voters to present a narrow set of documents — like a driver’s license or state ID card — to prove their identity.The bill requires that states with identification requirements accept a significantly wider range of documents, including debit cards, utility bills or bank statements issued within six months of the election or “any other document” with an individual's name issued by federal, state, tribal or local governments. The bill would also let would-be voters present, in lieu of ID, a “sworn written statement” signed by another adult who has known the voter for at least six months “under penalty of perjury.”
I'm gonna repeat that last one in case you missed it:
The bill would also let would-be voters present, in lieu of ID, a “sworn written statement” signed by another adult who has known the voter for at least six months “under penalty of perjury.”
Dem Voting Rights Bill
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Excuses, excuses. Get a damn iD and quit whining. You make blacks sound so helpless.
Your reading comprehension skills are a lot to be desired. I just said that voter ID is not so much of an issue anymore. I was just giving you the history on how this voter suppression got started which was after the 2008 election. Folks have gotten their ID's. The issue now is restrictions on mail in voting, absentee, drive by Sunday voting etc.
Jesus H. Christ, what is wrong with you? There is no voter suppression. It is a lie fueled by Democrat hatred.
Requiring an ID to vote is not voter suppression. It is common sense. And a letter from your meth-head pedophile cousin is not an ID.
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I've said this hundreds of times. Voter ID in of itself is not voter suppression. Most people, including blacks all favor having voter ID to vote. However, it was the timing of when these voter ID requirements started that has people's drawers in a bunch. It was clearly obvious to black voters of what was happening. We've seen this movie before. It may not be counting the number of jelly beans in a jar, but it was an attempt to diminish the number of black voters. Elections up until 2008, no one cared about voter ID. Prior to 2008, my county, Lake County, IN enforced it and I and others presented ID. Then some counties around the US never enforced it or never had the rule and allowed folks without a picture ID to vote. Obama shocks the world and wins the 2008 election. Blacks overwhelmingly voted for Obama. Political strategists on both sides analyze voting patterns. Repub strategists found out that a lot of blacks in the urban areas did not have a picture ID. Now all of a sudden voter ID is a problem. Repub strategists also know that large turnouts in election favor the dems. Therefore, the repub controlled states and counties made a huge effort and started requiring picture ID's starting in elections after 2009 in order to reduce the voter turnout which usually favor the repubs. Some repubs admitted this in the following article:
Some Republicans Acknowledge Leveraging Voter ID Laws for Political Gain (Published 2016)
A trove of documents reveal Republican politicians drawing on fears of election fraud to prevent voters — usually Democratic — from casting ballots.
Fortunately for the dems, the voter suppression topic and push for ID since 2009 has energized black voters thanks to black churches and talk radio to get out and vote.
And when those issues are resolved you’ll find something else to complain about. We could implement nationwide online voting and you’re compliant would be that old black folks don’t have online access.
Like I said. You and other black voting democrats should protest by not voting.I've said this hundreds of times. Voter ID in of itself is not voter suppression. Most people, including blacks all favor having voter ID to vote. However, it was the timing of when these voter ID requirements started that has people's drawers in a bunch. It was clearly obvious to black voters of what was happening. We've seen this movie before. It may not be counting the number of jelly beans in a jar, but it was an attempt to diminish the number of black voters. Elections up until 2008, no one cared about voter ID. Prior to 2008, my county, Lake County, IN enforced it and I and others presented ID. Then some counties around the US never enforced it or never had the rule and allowed folks without a picture ID to vote. Obama shocks the world and wins the 2008 election. Blacks overwhelmingly voted for Obama. Political strategists on both sides analyze voting patterns. Repub strategists found out that a lot of blacks in the urban areas did not have a picture ID. Now all of a sudden voter ID is a problem. Repub strategists also know that large turnouts in election favor the dems. Therefore, the repub controlled states and counties made a huge effort and started requiring picture ID's starting in elections after 2009 in order to reduce the voter turnout which usually favor the repubs. Some repubs admitted this in the following article:
Some Republicans Acknowledge Leveraging Voter ID Laws for Political Gain (Published 2016)
A trove of documents reveal Republican politicians drawing on fears of election fraud to prevent voters — usually Democratic — from casting ballots.www.nytimes.com
Fortunately for the dems, the voter suppression topic and push for ID since 2009 has energized black voters thanks to black churches and talk radio to get out and vote.
You think that number is going up? Based on what? I think it's more likely that it's going down.
DUDE... Stop this lie. Stop it! How many times do I have to call you out on it? Seriously. Indiana went for voter ID in 2006. Not 2008. You are LYING.
And your history lesson is a big fat lie. I've called you out on this more times than I can count on one hand now, and interestingly you never seem to acknowledge me after I point out this lie.
You support segregation.
An ID must be showed with you vax pass if you want McDonalds.
Based on the the increase black turnout in recent elections. The GA senator race would not have gone to the 2 dems and Biden winning the presidency if it wasn't due to overwhelmingly amount of black people voting. Similar results in other states and cities.
Man, how many times I have to seek this out. I'm not just talking about Indiana. I'm talking other states and counties that made a huge push for voter ID after the 2008 election. I even posted an article about repubs admitting to this.
You specifically pointed out Indiana the first time we went over this. Sorry, but just because other states didn't do it at the same time doesn't mean they were trying to suppress black votes. I'm not paying to read that. If you want me to read it, copy and paste the article. I'm willing to bet that there is no such admission and that there was a lot of speculation on the part of the media because that is what they THINK is going on.
You think there is an increase in older black people without ID because there is an increase in black turnout? Did I miss something?
Because you’ve repeatedly said it’s too hard for blacks to vote, they won’t be able to comply with voting laws, and a lot of them are going to be discouraged from voting.
So, I figure, why not turn that discouragement into a protest by black democrats not voting?
I never specifically mentioned Indiana as far as this topic. If I did I meant some other state as I don't know where Indiana stands about this topic.
As far as that article I don't pay it just comes up for me. Just google "repubs admit voter ID helps them". Several stuff pops up.
No, I think there is an increase in black voting because blacks have been energized to vote in spite if these laws. There was/is a large voter registration push from black churches and talk radio. Plus an increase in the folks that have gotten their ID.
The protest, in which they are already doing is to come out and vote in overwhelmingly numbers and vote these repubs out if office. That is what happened in the Senate race in GA.
It clearly is not. Here's a lurid tale of shameful ballot harvesting by the Pubs. I do not understand why any American, Republican or Democrat, would want this filthy corruption to continue.
Ballot Harvesting
Nothing would stop you......but when it was discovered that the person whose name under which you voted had already voted, or was dead.........you could be charged with a felony.
While you may not be required to show ID to vote, there is a list of registered voters that is check when you give your name. The name is checked off when you give it to whoever is checking you in. If you give a name that is already checked off, they got you.
Either way, both votes aren't going to be counted. Both will probably be thrown out.
You could get away with it if the person who's name you're using chooses not to vote. Are you going to do some research before trying to vote in someone else's place? Or take the chance of committing a felony to add one more vote for your candidate?
Bob, you do not understand. With the Dems new Voting Rights bill, there is no voter registration. Voter registration is voter suppression. Voter registration requires an ID. That will end.
The Democrats want "Here I am. I have no ID. I want to vote. Give me a ballot."
But if your dropping off a paper ballot in an anonymous box. How do the determine who filled out the ballot?
No wonder Dems love this method of voting so much, little risk of actually proving who committed the fraud if it is found.
I am still confused how ID to vote is racist, yet ID to go out and do anything now is fine.
Read my recent posts about when and why the push for voter id started.
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You do know that there's more than one way for voter ID to help them besides discriminating against people right?
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