Garrison Brroks to UNC
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That's rich. If you're a Boilermakers fan, you have to have some contempt for these blue-blood programs.
Does UNC still have "paper classes" indiscreetly? How far could UNC's basketball program push things (ex: basketball players not attending classes for an entire school year) before they were actually punished by the NCAA?
Does UNC still have "paper classes" indiscreetly? How far could UNC's basketball program push things (ex: basketball players not attending classes for an entire school year) before they were actually punished by the NCAA?
There is no limit for the NCAA revenue generators.
CMP isn't going to get this caliber of talent 99% of the time anyway.
Keady-ball is long past it's time.
Sasha is more in Painter's real world recruiting sphere.
AVERAGE is CMP's world
This past season is Painter's career apex.
Where did all the optimism come from? I know it was reported we were in his top 4 but we weren't even mentioned in the 4 he didn't chose. I don't need an answer. Too many times these recruitments are evidently just wishful thinking expressed here. And I keep coming back again and again and again...
Same with all the other schools that missed out.
I am now convinced that you have no earthly idea about anything basketball related
Tell that to Eastern, CE, VE, Biggie, etc.
Sweet 16, B1G champs is not even remotely average. But then again CLUELESS is your world.
And you have no way of knowing that. And based on comments you make, you never will.
This is the great thing. Before CMP went after these types of players, people like boilersalltheway now were on here complaining that CMP never tried or whatever. Now that he is trying, they complain about something else. I really would love to see the people that post the haterade held to the same stipulations at their own job. Their tone would change in a blink, I have no doubt.
You want to be successful you have to keep going after the big fish. Which means you're going to lose more than you win because you're going up against the "blue bloods". But it is an effort you want from your coach if you want to keep progressing.
Lol. I'd love a little a look-in on the top tier, above average life Waynow lives. I'm sure you know all too well what it means to be average. Average poster with an average life DEMANDING that the college basketball team he roots for be better. No one else see the comedy in this?
a little confused by this statement
painter has gone after top 50 guys before, even dating back 10+ years ago. and brooks is rivals 120
thats great to try and stand up for painter, but I do not read your statement as entirely that accurate
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You're missing the point. People on here wanted CMP to spend more time on the high profile players, now he is and like the majority of other schools he will miss more than he wins. So yes, my statement is quite accurate.
sure as is the case for each team every year.
however, brooks is rated 120, was he expecting to vault up or something im missing?
we must both me missing each others points
like I stated, painter recruited/offered/etc much higher ranked players in years past. thankfully he was going after top guys from early on, not just recently.
I just hope that we bring in an enforcer type big to hit the boards and protect the rim. Maybe we already signed him. Maybe not. CMP is still hunting evidently. Btfu!
I'm not trying to be a know-it-all here, but now might be a good time to remind a few of you that we are all basically clueless with regard to CMP's recruiting, and every other team's recruiting, for that matter. Had we never heard Brooks's name, there would never be a thread about him and no ensuing disappointment. How many players have we offered and not gotten that we never heard about? How many times has someone committed to a school when its fans had no knowledge of his recruitment?
I almost feel like the only way CMP could please some of you is to only offer the players of which he's 100% certain. That way, no one could complain that he's ineffective and can't recruit. EVERY coach, from Calipari to Izzo to Self to CMP swings and misses. I'd much rather CMP offer a great player than not offer him, wouldn't you? You miss a hundred percent of the shots you never take.
There are so many variables. Maybe a kid was offered, but it was contingent upon Biggie going pro. The kid decided he didn't want to wait and signed elsewhere. Or we offered the kid, he tweeted that we did, but it was basically to leverage a faster offer from his dream school. The bottom line is we don't know. Therefore, it's a bit dramatic to condemn CMP's recruiting ability on baseless supposition.
This works the other way, too. When more facts came out about Biggie's recruitment, it made Painter look less incredible for "landing him." Rarely do we really know what happened in a recruitment.
I almost feel like the only way CMP could please some of you is to only offer the players of which he's 100% certain. That way, no one could complain that he's ineffective and can't recruit. EVERY coach, from Calipari to Izzo to Self to CMP swings and misses. I'd much rather CMP offer a great player than not offer him, wouldn't you? You miss a hundred percent of the shots you never take.
There are so many variables. Maybe a kid was offered, but it was contingent upon Biggie going pro. The kid decided he didn't want to wait and signed elsewhere. Or we offered the kid, he tweeted that we did, but it was basically to leverage a faster offer from his dream school. The bottom line is we don't know. Therefore, it's a bit dramatic to condemn CMP's recruiting ability on baseless supposition.
This works the other way, too. When more facts came out about Biggie's recruitment, it made Painter look less incredible for "landing him." Rarely do we really know what happened in a recruitment.
Roy has three big men in this class and is still pursuing a grad transfer big man. I guess playing time was not a high priority to some, especially if they add the grad transfer. They are all surprising in that 100-200 range. Probably because the other top end programs are pointing out the incoming sanctions.
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina/story/1772724-roy-williams-meets-grad-transfer
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina/story/1772724-roy-williams-meets-grad-transfer
Major trolling attempt. Recommend that you don't feed this troll.
I hope Garrison Brooks' decision wasn't based in being unwilling to wait any longer for Swanigan to decide whether or not he wants to stay in the draft. If that were the case, then it would basically be proof that Swanigan's indecisiveness is hurting Purdue's recruiting for a 2017 frontcourt player/big man.
I don't believe that. If Brooks was interested enough in Purdue to commit, then the Swanigan situation would only mean the Brooks would wait. He has many offers and several will still be there once Swanigan decides whether to go or stay. This is not worth a soap opra. Only IU fans would feel that way.
not necessarily
Shadeland's right in that we don't know, but you don't think that it could actually be possible that he did have interest in Purdue (or even might have been willing to commit) but he didn't want to wait another month to know for sure whether or not he could commit to the Boilermakers?
Dammit it's time for Biggie to stop being so selfish. If he'd clarify his position we could oversign so that we could spring Crean if he decided to come back. SMH.
I didn't see the TIC here, but the whole purpose of going through the combine is to get feedback. If he leaves, he has to make sure he gets drafted in the first round with a guaranteed contract. The deadline is 10 days after the combine for a reason. Allows to get feedback and make a life changing decision. If he gets feedback guaranteeing he goes and feedback that now is the time to go, he is gone. He has to worry about his future and his family's future. This isn't an easy or set in stone decision, or he would have made it by now. Biggie needs to take his time and make the best decision, which I think will ultimately be to leave. The players available now are in no rush or they would have made their decision by now. Brooks went with UNC because they are still actively pursuing big men and the rumor was alway he decomitted to sign with UNC. Didn't want to leave his fathers school and go someplace other than his dream school. Most of the other big guys available will take their time. Wait to see who leaves for the draft before making the decision.
Well there is always hope and wishing that Painter's performance as a head coach will greatly improve.
If Painter has assembled such a wonderful team why didn't he accomplish more with it?
Luck?
Are we at the mercy of a run of good luck?
Luck favors the prepared.
There must be some solid reasons to explain why Painter has not won beyond the Sweet Sixteen.
Why has he managed only 2 BIG championships in 12 years?
Thanks.
That really cleared up the mystery of why Painter can't seem to close on almost every single one of the highest rated players that he goes after year after year after year after year after year after year.................
Do we all just need to be more patient with our $3 million coach and his recruiting struggles?
When, in your expert opinion, do you anticipate that CMP will elevate his recruiting success ?
12 years not enough time? You think maybe another 10 - 12 years?
Please tell me when will Painter elevate this program beyond an occasional Sweet 16 or 1 Big championship / 6 years?
How will he accomplish more than he has to date?
How does he keep doing the same things year after year and some how achieve greater results?
Okay, now I almost regret saying what I said earlier, now that at least one poster has worried about Biggie's decision adversely affecting recruiting (yeah, I know the other was TIC, but I still feel bad).
Two things. One, I was just mentioning one factor of three dozen potential factors that could cause a kid to go elsewhere.
As for Biggie, you know what? He can take all the time he needs, and we don't need to begrudge him that. You all have any idea how much he's done for this program? To rush him through the process would not only be ungrateful; it would be downright selfish.
Biggie has earned the right to make the best decision for himself. Under the current rules, this uncertainty is all part of major D1 basketball. I'd rather have this problem than never have a kid good enough to flirt with going pro. Wouldn't you?
Two things. One, I was just mentioning one factor of three dozen potential factors that could cause a kid to go elsewhere.
As for Biggie, you know what? He can take all the time he needs, and we don't need to begrudge him that. You all have any idea how much he's done for this program? To rush him through the process would not only be ungrateful; it would be downright selfish.
Biggie has earned the right to make the best decision for himself. Under the current rules, this uncertainty is all part of major D1 basketball. I'd rather have this problem than never have a kid good enough to flirt with going pro. Wouldn't you?
Huh. I don't recall saying mine was an expert opinion. I do recall saying I, nor you (probably especially you), have no idea what goes on in these recruitments.
How exactly did you miss that?
One more thing with regard to championships over the past twelve years (By the way, this took a grand total of six minutes to Google and type, which was still more time than I probably should have wasted on this)...
OSU 5
MSU 3
Purdue 2
Wisky 2
IU 2
Mich. 2
Ill. 0
NW 0
Iowa 0
PSU 0
Minn. 0
We'll leave out the other three schools since they haven't been in the conference as long.
OSU had a fantastic run, but they've gone five years without one, and would you rather have their roster next year or ours? MSU has been one of the best programs (on the court) for ages, and they only have one more than we do.
Sure, I'd like more than two in twelve years. But I guess I'm not seeing how you can use these numbers to label us destitute.
Oh. And you asked one semi-interesting question; it was about numbers: "Do we all just need to be more patient with our $3 million coach and his recruiting struggles?"
To the first part of your question, naw, I'd never ask you to be more patient. You control you, and if you choose to wail and moan on a message board over something over which you have no control, feel free to spend your time doing that.
To the second part of your question, if it's the money that bothers you, how about this:
Total Salary (rounded up or down, depending)
Matta 3,200,000
Izzo 4,300,000
Painter 2,500,000
Gard 1,800,000 (though Gard only won one of those championships; Ryan, who won the other, received 2,900,000)
Crean 3,000,000
Beilein 3,400,000
Judging from the criteria you supplied, Coach Painter doesn't look like the failure you're portraying him to be.
The true IU idiots say they want Painter to stay cause he sucks. I think he's Purdue....but I don't care much.
I just want those who constantly and consistently rail against Painter to say he should be fired.......or shut up. None of them will, choose your own reason why.
Yes, it's true... Baton is an idiot troll. He is most certainly not a Purdue fan. Probably an IU or dormer.
