FORGONE CONCLUSION
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The defeatism of this forum after a loss never ceases to amaze me. There are of course things to fix and we have a tough stretch coming up, but there are at least 3 games left where we have a good chance to win.
We only need two of them to make it to a bowl game. And with everything that is "wrong" with the offense, that would be an outstanding feat.
We only need two of them to make it to a bowl game. And with everything that is "wrong" with the offense, that would be an outstanding feat.
So you see IU and Northwestern beating us?? I sometimes get emotional as well but geez. My emotions were all over the place yesterday. I picked up a bottle of ER, EH small batch and Weller's 12. Cracked the 12 open thinking of a win....realized we were going to lose and kept drinking it. I guess this means life will move on🤔.
This is exactly what I thought. After a loss, there seems to be people who come on here with emotional takes that we suck and will never win another game. Wisconsin just plays the style of Football that is difficult for us.
If someone thinks we don't have a chance to beat Northwestern, IU, Nebraska, and I would say even MSU, then they are trying real hard to be negative so that they can carry that Negativity banner.
I definitely don't want to watch the OSU game as it will likely be the ugliest beatdown since Auburn. They owe us and we don't have the offensive Horsepower to put any pressure on them. They will not take their foot off the gas like they did yesterday at Halftime of the IU beatdown.
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I don't think our loss had anything to do with an emotional letdown. We just cannot play Wisconsin Football. Most of the rest of the teams on our schedule can't either (OSU being the exception obviously, not impressed with MSU).
Hello BBG, I don't believe reality is defeatism! Purdue has a history of being very inconsistent, so what team will show up week to week is a crap shoot. Purdue has a tough schedule remaining, and have not done exceptionally well in the past against any of their upcoming opponents. Now I will admit the Indiana game, since it is an intense rivalry, is hard to predict. I would like nothing better then see them win 6 games and become bowl eligible, since it would be a real bonus for the players, but Purdue winning 2 out of their next 5 games is certainly not a lock!
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I agree on the whole with your point, but, there are too many things to fix, some of which can't even be fixed. There are a couple of games left that are a chance to win, but, Purdue has blown a couple of what were genuinely "good" chances already, and, there are no better ones left really than those that they have already blown.
There is a ton that is wrong with the offense...it is literally amazing in hindsight that Purdue not only beat Iowa, but, dominated them...as they were brutal against Minnesota and even more brutal yesterday, so, the thought that Purdue had indeed fixed anything after Minnesota and going into Iowa is not the case.
Yesterday was not only mind boggling with how poorly Purdue played, especially offensively, but, it was a letdown at the most inopportune time as well...this program is desperate for some sort of momentum...and had the most golden of opportunities yesterday...and failed in just above every regard unfortunately.
Purdue may indeed find two (or more) wins the rest of the way, but, I would not be surprised even a little if they did not win another game either...if you can't stop the run and you can't run...and if you don't have any means by which to scheme for either of those...you get what you saw yesterday. Yesterday was incredibly disappointing from an outcome standpoint, but, more so from the coaching one in that they just had no answer on either side of the ball unfortunately against what is maybe the worst Wisconsin team to have beaten Purdue the last 15 times that it has done so.
I get the dimsay with yesterday's results but let's also not forget our streak of losses against UW goes back now 15 seasons. That is spanning multiple coaches and different styles so this isn't even a new hill for us to climb.
I also don't think there is a lot that needs fixed because there is more to the season that just one game and the other facets of the team have shown a turnaround. Fix the OL and the QB issues and we are night and day different.
There is no reason to think we will go winless the rest of the season, that is just being a defeatist. Sorry, just is because not every team is the same and our defense is still rather good. Just like some on here said the Iowa win didn't dictate this team (paraphrasing) or our season, the loss to UW doesn't either.
It definitely was a let down but Wisconsin is a tough matchup for us. But on the bright side, there is a very realistic path to 7 or even 8 wins so it’s too early to get down
It is not one loss that is driving the thought...it is the fact that other than the Iowa game, which now appears to be a complete outlier, Purdue has scored a single TD offensively in 4 other games around the Iowa one...it simply cannot do anything offensively due to said OL and QB issues, that are compounded by the coaching ones (play calling).
Yes, the streak goes back 15 years, but, that spans some of worst coaches in Purdue history...Brohm is/should be better...they blew a chance in '18 to win at home, and, yesterday was a golden opportunity as well...and Purdue could not have been less up for/to it.
It sounds easy..."fix the OL and QB issues"...but, way more difficult to do, evidenced by Brohm/staff not coming even close to doing either unfortunately.
I did not say that I thought Purdue would go winless, but, it would not surprise me at all if it were to happen...more so after yesterday in that Purdue was exposed on both sides of the ball...by a Wisconsin team that struggled mightily to beat Army at home a week ago. Wisconsin is probably better than they are/were being given credit for, but, their game plan yesterday was the most basic of basic and they dominated Purdue still in spite of that. This is more than just an OL/QB issue, albeit those are two of the biggest issues certainly.
The fact that Purdue was overmatched physically was no surprise...the fact that they failed to adjust in any way for that was bothersome...and, the fact that they have scored one offensive touchdown in 4 of the past 5 games is the most bothersome.
There are 3 teams that are roughly equal to us, Minnesota, and Illinois. We play Michigan State which should be similar to Iowa and Wisconsin. And we have probably a 5% chance of beating Ohio St. we need to find two wins. I would say at worst we have a 50/50 shot in 3 and a 25% chance at Michigan State. So we have a remote chance at 4 wins and you don’t think we can win 1?
I'd argue they haven't even begun to fix those issues yet. They got the defense turned around in one season, so there is evidence supporting they can do it in other areas. With the transfer portal being what it is, there is a better chance going forward than there was in the past.
Like most teams Purdue is stuck with what I call "tradition paralysis" when it comes to their OL and QB. Something to try for their offensive line is to increase the line splits. One it helps create natural openings and provides better blocking angles. Regarding the QB issue, there is no reason not to also throw on first and second down especially to the tight end, but Purdue's mindset of 2 plunges into the line for no gain and then throw on 3rd and 10 , has been going on too long. When the horse is dead, it is time to dismount, beating him will not change the situation!
You have a legitimate point IMO. We had a few times when we did get a 6-7 yard gain on first down and then turned right around and ran up the gut for no gain the next play. That was time for play action only if it was to get an 8 yard pass and keep the chains moving.
What was driving me crazy was when Burton or Plummer were in, it was always a run until they tried the trick reverse pass and we still did not get a pass off. Plummer has shown he can throw a 10 yard out, we need to have him throw it some when he is in. Funny, when he was the starter, he would not run it. Now he is a situational guy and never throws it (I assume by design).
You watched Indiana and northwestern and didn’t see any more victory opportunities? Of course you have a handle I don’t recognize lol
I can see NW winning, and at the start of the season I'd have picked IU. But with IU's QB situation, I think PU wins that one.
IU sucks and it is not because of the QB situation.
Just replacing the clown that was hired fixed the defense in part...substantial part at that...that said, yesterday again exposed the fact that Purdue has issues on that side of the ball as well.
Why have they not tried to fix those issues yet? It is not as if they were not raised as concerns even on here, so, hard to believe the staff did not recognize the same potential issues...why were they not addressed?
It is not as if Purdue is magically going to find 5 OL...even more not as if guys are lining up to play at Purdue...they may find some guys (hopefully)...they may find better guys (at this point, hard to imagine that being incredibly difficult to do), but, I am skeptical that they find 4/5 guys that suddenly transform Purdue's OL from the worst in the conference to even average...even so, absent a RB that is a threat of any sort...and continued issues at the QB position...it is still going to be a tough go of things. When you look at what they have added the past two years on the offensive side of the ball via the portal, I think it is pretty clear that while we want to think that it is an/the answer, that it likely is not.
Yet, Purdue will be hard pressed to win against them unless there remains the issue(s) at QB...especially if Purdue can't find a way to generate more than a TD in a game offensively, which is what it has done in 4 of the past 5 games now.
Great QB play, especially from a mobile guy can cover up a LOT of weaknesses. They were getting great play for Penix last year. The guy was really good.
IU sucks because it's IU.
I am going to disagree about increasing the line splits. Watching the replays shown by the telecasting team, our blockers were beaten to the side each time. Our lineman were not quick enough and strong enough to handle their linemen running through those gaps, thus creating pressure that was pretty consistent across the line. So I would think the thing to do is tighten the gaps preventing the defense from sprinting though. That would create a gigantic jam across the line and the linebackers that were putting on pressure would have been caught in it, thus much more time for the QB to do his work.
I have been building a belief that CJB doesn't have the knowledge to develop blocking schemes for his linemen, including how to set up the proper gaps between them. I also don't believe they teach very good fundamentals for blocking. We won over Ohio State several years ago, but the blocking was still suspect in that game. Players like Jones and Moore made plays and no one cared about the line play. I started watching college football when Mollenkopf was coach. We had great line play during those years. The only other coaches at Purdue that had good line play, in my opinion were Young and Colletto.
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You were fine until you said Colletto was good at anything because he wasn't.
Hello Cantonman. Yes, each team has to come to play if they want a chance to win.
Purdue is not good enough to just show up and win any of the remaining games on their schedule. However, with the exception of Ohio State, we have a good chance to beat the rest of the teams and I believe that includes MSU at Ross Ade. We could lose all 5 but I would be very surprised if that happens. What I was originally responding to was the comment that there weren't many opportunities left on the schedule for wins which is ridiculous. There are 4 legitimate opportunities for wins and we will see if this team is up to the challenge.
MSU is very beatable... Watched them play Neb....Neb totally shut them down in 2nd .....lost 23-20 I think...if Martinez was half the QB he is made out to be they should have won by 10!! Stupid to's by a typical Martinez....Watched IU game...20-16.....Held MSU to just over 200 total yds for the game... 3 interceptions with a pick 6 was IU demise!!! But of course in order to beat anybody down the stretch....eliminate out TO's and some decent play calling( of course better line play) ...... I can see 3 more wins....hey IL went to psu and thumped them..... Hoping for the best....if not hoops startup in just over 2 weeks!!
I hope that was TIC.
He was captain on a UCLA team that won the Rose Bowl.
He was OC at the same time Tiller was DC here at Purdue (shouldn't those roles have been reversed? LOL!), and at times his offenses put up some pretty impressive numbers.
His resume' includes some pretty impressive stops, even after his time as HC at Purdue.
He was 38-80 and 4. He wasn't good and his record alone proves it but we can just agree to disagree then.
Not sure with what you're agreeing to disagree. Unless I misunderstood, it seemed you were attempting to make the argument Colletto wasn't good at anything.
He clearly was an elite CFB player, and captained his team to a Rose Bowl win.
He clearly was NOT good at being a head coach.
He clearly was in high demand at some of the highest levels in the game, serving as a position coach at his alma mater UCLA (et al), then as coordinator at Purdue, Arizona State, Ohio State, and Notre Dame, which was followed by many (8?) years in the NFL.
If he ain't good at anything he sure fooled a lot of people for a lot of time!
He might have been a decent assistant but he was a lousy head coach. His record speaks for itself.
Exactly my point. Especially when taken in context with the original exchange I was having.
Okay. My bad. If it was confined to his head coaching record only, that part went without saying (although we all do a lot of that around here, myself included).
Even as a HC, he left us one helluva foundation on the roster for a great Rose Bowl run.... no?
FWIW, Wisconsin does the same thing to Purdue year-in, year-out going back to the Orton days. They jam our wideouts at the LOS and run the ball up the gut with minimal passing. Purdue was NOT prepared well for those two things as I hoped new coaches would have been! Disappointed certainly but I lay it on the coaches and their game plan!
I see three possible wins. Not giving up. OConnell is either on fire or he's a dud. Three more fire games: Nebraska, Northwestern, Indinia. I am even going to hold out hope for a MSU upset.
When has he been a dud other than Wisconsin? Did you watch the 19 games vs Nebraska amd northwestern? Can you honestly tell me you thought we were gonna wok before Oconnell came in
No reason we couldn’t be in the MSU game. We probably get smoked by OSU. Nebraska, IU and Northwestern are winnable games. I think we could actually get a running game going on those 3 games. Maybe to the tune of 75+ yards.
We won’t be able to run much against OSU or MSU.
What is "wok", besides a stir fry skillet? I am having difficulty understanding your reply here.
