Spoke with AD Morgan Burke on Thursday afternoon. Some big developments happening with department/football.
'Master plan'
'Master plan'
Football master plan includes help from university, facility changes
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So they got some money back, 75% of which goes directly to atheletes & students. Im glad thats happening, its been needed for some time.
500k and nothing but another survey for facilities?
That guy weird.
EDIT: Generally steps in the right direction, even if paying the atheletes more was forced on him. Glad they are addressing attendance. If he really wants people to stop complaining about lacking football facilities and paying lip service, he should... you know... actually fix the football facilities and stop paying lip service.
This post was edited on 2/27 2:23 PM by boiler17
500k and nothing but another survey for facilities?
That guy weird.
EDIT: Generally steps in the right direction, even if paying the atheletes more was forced on him. Glad they are addressing attendance. If he really wants people to stop complaining about lacking football facilities and paying lip service, he should... you know... actually fix the football facilities and stop paying lip service.
This post was edited on 2/27 2:23 PM by boiler17
Re: Football master plan includes help from university, facility chan
He's still complaining about attendance and being forced to lower ticket prices. 4 wins in 2 years. What does he expect? And how many more surveys can they do on the S end zone? Haven't they surveyed that thing to death?
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He's still complaining about attendance and being forced to lower ticket prices. 4 wins in 2 years. What does he expect? And how many more surveys can they do on the S end zone? Haven't they surveyed that thing to death?
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My best guess is that they are just really disorganized. Hes been trying to push the south endzone through for years, and all of a sudden he realizes there is more work to do, and that his economic model (tv, player costs, etc.) is changing and that he actually has to develop a plan that addresses all of it? Any armchair fan could have seen this coming 3-4 years ago.
I looked up the athletic departments org chart at one point. What I found was a small team. Under ten or something like that I seem to recall. I'd be really interested to know what he does all day to constantly throw out false timelines and seem really aloof.
I looked up the athletic departments org chart at one point. What I found was a small team. Under ten or something like that I seem to recall. I'd be really interested to know what he does all day to constantly throw out false timelines and seem really aloof.
This was exactly my first thoughts... University isn't helping, they are just taking less and recalculating how they take it. So if revenue somehow booms, it sounds like they are getting a percentage of it now and will be taking more again. Let's hope that's the case because that means we're good, but we're still always going to be at a disadvantage. I've never heard an AD say, we're using the university administration so we should pay for it... I wonder if Mitch Daniels pays for tickets. Maybe he does.
Yup, they still dont get it. Even if thats the case, it shouldnt be publicly presented that way. Also, they think if they ease the reigns for a few years it will get better and go back to how it used to be. The landscape is changing now more than ever. If they are even to be a .500-.750 win team its going to take more now, more later, more forever for the same or less revenue they used to see sans TV money.
So they are cutting prices to 2004 levels because Orton was playing then and we were good - what? So either lower ticket prices cause better football or lower ticket prices make currently lousy football acceptable to watch. Purdue pays Burke $500K a year for this sort of reasoning?
Listen you idiots, fix the quality of the football program - period! Develop facilities and hire coaches so that athletes will want to come to Purdue. Compete a little bit.
Purdue's athletic department has no chance with this guy in charge.
Listen you idiots, fix the quality of the football program - period! Develop facilities and hire coaches so that athletes will want to come to Purdue. Compete a little bit.
Purdue's athletic department has no chance with this guy in charge.
Re: Football master plan includes help from university, facility chan
Maybe lowering ticket prices to 2004 levels will make us as good as we were in 2004!!!
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Maybe lowering ticket prices to 2004 levels will make us as good as we were in 2004!!!
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Well said BoilerStutz....winning fixes a lot of things and to win we need better players to start with, better coaches to improve them and better facilities and equipment and uniforms to attract them!
I actually like lots of this, and think it will help get more folks in the stands. But what's the plan to fix our mind-numbingly boring offense, and actually keep those fans in the stands?
I would go 1 step further with the students, and run shuttles to the local high schools on Saturdays, give HS students cheap tickets and a free ride to the game. Maybe they'll like it.
I would go 1 step further with the students, and run shuttles to the local high schools on Saturdays, give HS students cheap tickets and a free ride to the game. Maybe they'll like it.
I Like the high school plan, but even go bigger and invite high schools from around the state to go discounted? The first time I went to Ross-Ade was as a junior in high school with a bus load of football players from my high school. I was hooked!
Love it.
Also- how come there are no bars around Mackey and Ross Ade? Can u imagine if there was a Harry's, jakes, etc, having a breakfast club across the street from Ross Ade?
Run a shuttle around the dorms and Greek houses on Saturday mornings, free ride with your boarding pass, and u can buy one right on the bus if u want, swipe your card, scan your phone, whatever.
Probably a little off the rails here, no pun intended, but we need to think outside of whatever is outside the box to fill that stadium with youth and energy.
But again, we need to follow that up with uptempo, high scoring, high energy football, not the colletto-esque banquet of boredom that schoop and DH2 have been feeding us.
Also- how come there are no bars around Mackey and Ross Ade? Can u imagine if there was a Harry's, jakes, etc, having a breakfast club across the street from Ross Ade?
Run a shuttle around the dorms and Greek houses on Saturday mornings, free ride with your boarding pass, and u can buy one right on the bus if u want, swipe your card, scan your phone, whatever.
Probably a little off the rails here, no pun intended, but we need to think outside of whatever is outside the box to fill that stadium with youth and energy.
But again, we need to follow that up with uptempo, high scoring, high energy football, not the colletto-esque banquet of boredom that schoop and DH2 have been feeding us.
love the high school ideas - seems great for both football game attendance and getting them acquainted with campus, maybe interested in applying to the college too.
other than the wins, one thing i missed after graduating was the student section.
maybe have some specific young alumni sections available (would be a lot less fans complaining about others either standing or sitting too much).
speaking of alumni, i think it would be great to donate/sponsor/contribute to student tickets.
could be on an individual basis, or even better if companies, execs, ceo's could provide for student tickets.
maybe even associate them with students of certain majors or student academic groups (say caterpillar & engr. students).
before games, the alumni or company reps could have students join their 'tailgate area' to hear them speak briefly, maybe give them one game access to ross ade press box areas, and just network a bit.
not like a job fair by any means, but just ways to get students, alumni, companies interacting and all more involved long term.
gives the company some exposure maybe, gives alumni a feel good moment (tax write-off?), and the students some extra perks, more incentives to attend the game, and discounted or paid-for tickets.
other than the wins, one thing i missed after graduating was the student section.
maybe have some specific young alumni sections available (would be a lot less fans complaining about others either standing or sitting too much).
speaking of alumni, i think it would be great to donate/sponsor/contribute to student tickets.
could be on an individual basis, or even better if companies, execs, ceo's could provide for student tickets.
maybe even associate them with students of certain majors or student academic groups (say caterpillar & engr. students).
before games, the alumni or company reps could have students join their 'tailgate area' to hear them speak briefly, maybe give them one game access to ross ade press box areas, and just network a bit.
not like a job fair by any means, but just ways to get students, alumni, companies interacting and all more involved long term.
gives the company some exposure maybe, gives alumni a feel good moment (tax write-off?), and the students some extra perks, more incentives to attend the game, and discounted or paid-for tickets.
I think the undergrads at Purdue should be given tours up in the press boxes and suite areas at Ross-Ade so they might know what is there for them as an adult, get some more buy-in. Get them into JPC sphere early on. Like you know, this is just what you do.
I said this last year at this time. Purdue should be going to every high school within 2 hours of Purdue and offering a discounted high school season ticket for students and there families.
They could even create a high school student section in the north end zone, getting the kids used to going to Purdue games and being rowdy. Possibly come up with a plan to bus high school students in for games. I assume on Band Day, that is pretty much what they do already. Why not do it for most home games that aren't demanded tickets?
Make it a marketing tool to show off Purdue for prospective students, athletes and parents....getting them in the habit of being at Purdue on Saturdays.
They could even create a high school student section in the north end zone, getting the kids used to going to Purdue games and being rowdy. Possibly come up with a plan to bus high school students in for games. I assume on Band Day, that is pretty much what they do already. Why not do it for most home games that aren't demanded tickets?
Make it a marketing tool to show off Purdue for prospective students, athletes and parents....getting them in the habit of being at Purdue on Saturdays.
Smoke and Mirrors
Winning on the field = butts in the seats....smoke and mirrors might help alittle with attendance but nothing puts more fans in the seats than watching a well coached team that wins!
Winning on the field = butts in the seats....smoke and mirrors might help alittle with attendance but nothing puts more fans in the seats than watching a well coached team that wins!
While I appreciate the ideas to make it easier to get to Purdue football games, I think the root cause of the attendance issue is lousy football and no identity for the program. We are historically bad in football right now. I guess I would be concerned if attendance were not an issue. We are historically bad in womens basketball this year. We were historically bad in mens basketball last year. Anyone seeing a pattern? Morgan is leaving quite a legacy.
Back to football. During Hazell's first year, we tried (emphasis on tried) to run a power offense. We have never been able to do this at Purdue and it failed miserably. We spent more time this season getting the ball to quick guys in space. Tiller figured out this was the way to go a long time ago. The point is that we need to stick with an approach that works at Purdue with the limited talent we can attract. Pretty simple stuff.
When Burke chose to invest in state of the art facilities for swimming, golf, baseball, soccer and softball, he was in essence deciding not to reinvest in the sports that bring in real revenue - football and men's and women's basketball. That he decided to build such expensive facilities for non-revenue sports in such a short period of time was disastrous for the fiscal health of the athletic department.
Now he has to live with the consequences of his poor decision-making. Unfortunately for us fans, we do as well. He is price-discounting football tickets furiously. He is either doing or will shortly be doing the same thing with womens basketball. I went to the most recent mens basketball game and there were lots of empty seats up high. I grew up in WL and Mackey was always packed. Ross Ade was a heck of a lot fuller than it is now.
It would be fun to write the HBS case study of Purdue athletics. There is a lot of learning to be had in analyzing the mis-steps that bring us to the current issues the department faces both fiscally and in terms of the lack of success the major sports are currently experiencing.
Back to football. During Hazell's first year, we tried (emphasis on tried) to run a power offense. We have never been able to do this at Purdue and it failed miserably. We spent more time this season getting the ball to quick guys in space. Tiller figured out this was the way to go a long time ago. The point is that we need to stick with an approach that works at Purdue with the limited talent we can attract. Pretty simple stuff.
When Burke chose to invest in state of the art facilities for swimming, golf, baseball, soccer and softball, he was in essence deciding not to reinvest in the sports that bring in real revenue - football and men's and women's basketball. That he decided to build such expensive facilities for non-revenue sports in such a short period of time was disastrous for the fiscal health of the athletic department.
Now he has to live with the consequences of his poor decision-making. Unfortunately for us fans, we do as well. He is price-discounting football tickets furiously. He is either doing or will shortly be doing the same thing with womens basketball. I went to the most recent mens basketball game and there were lots of empty seats up high. I grew up in WL and Mackey was always packed. Ross Ade was a heck of a lot fuller than it is now.
It would be fun to write the HBS case study of Purdue athletics. There is a lot of learning to be had in analyzing the mis-steps that bring us to the current issues the department faces both fiscally and in terms of the lack of success the major sports are currently experiencing.
Re: Smoke and Mirrors
I do agree that winning ALWAYS solves many, many problems. I have been brainstorming here on how to reach out and begin to create lifelong Boiler fans...most of these ideas are low budget ideas and maybe a little out of the box...Just win baby!
I do agree that winning ALWAYS solves many, many problems. I have been brainstorming here on how to reach out and begin to create lifelong Boiler fans...most of these ideas are low budget ideas and maybe a little out of the box...Just win baby!
Re: Smoke and Mirrors
The point is, extreme situations require extreme measures. Hard to win without good players. Hard to recruit good players with 30K in the stands and low student turnout.
So, the goal should be to get as many students in the stands as possible, however you have to do it. But if we get them there, gotta be an exciting brand of football to hook them. Not this boring-ass 1 yard and a cloud of dust offense. We were the cradle of QBs- fling it around the yard, hurry up offense, 65 pass attempts, be aggressive. How many bowl games have we gone to when we were in the bottom half of the big ten in passing yards? I would guess zero.
The point is, extreme situations require extreme measures. Hard to win without good players. Hard to recruit good players with 30K in the stands and low student turnout.
So, the goal should be to get as many students in the stands as possible, however you have to do it. But if we get them there, gotta be an exciting brand of football to hook them. Not this boring-ass 1 yard and a cloud of dust offense. We were the cradle of QBs- fling it around the yard, hurry up offense, 65 pass attempts, be aggressive. How many bowl games have we gone to when we were in the bottom half of the big ten in passing yards? I would guess zero.
Just curious. But people seem high on the idea of busing in a lot of football teams from the surrounding area for cheap... I don't know the answer so hopefully someone does but it feels like this could be construed by the NCAA as a violation somehow. I don't know why, but I feel like they are dumb enough to get involved and pretend like it's extra benefits to local recruiting or something. I don't know the rules though.
I know its allowed for the general public. Agree probably not for teams. Not to mention high school coaches watch film all day Saturday.
I like this idea especially in north Indy. I grew up in Fort Wayne and life amongst IU and ND subway alums and real alums was tough. I can imagine its no better in Indy. If I had a chance to connect with more Purdue fans, I can easily imagine turning more kids into legit fans.
To the broader conversation, Purdue itself is a lot of the problem. IMO, they should be giving money to the football program instead of taking it. Their moral argument is shallow to me, and I fully believe there is an equal relationship that should be had there that involves selectively giving and taking from both parties that would result in more for everyone down the road.
I doubt Burke would allow the long leashes on losing in major sports if he felt pressure too. I dont think you need to go fire everyone all reactionary, but there should be more pressure and more resources.
I like this idea especially in north Indy. I grew up in Fort Wayne and life amongst IU and ND subway alums and real alums was tough. I can imagine its no better in Indy. If I had a chance to connect with more Purdue fans, I can easily imagine turning more kids into legit fans.
To the broader conversation, Purdue itself is a lot of the problem. IMO, they should be giving money to the football program instead of taking it. Their moral argument is shallow to me, and I fully believe there is an equal relationship that should be had there that involves selectively giving and taking from both parties that would result in more for everyone down the road.
I doubt Burke would allow the long leashes on losing in major sports if he felt pressure too. I dont think you need to go fire everyone all reactionary, but there should be more pressure and more resources.
The Master Plan was posted some time ago! When I read it I was depressed as it paints a program that is in a downward spiral. Purdue only participates in 16 varsity sports, because that is all we can afford. As a lifelong fan I gave up my season tickets before the start of last year. I am no longer interested in driving from the northwest suburbs of Chicago to try to tailgate for a 11AM start CST! Sorry, when you go for the TV dollars there is a price to pay and we are paying for it.
IMHO we should not do anything with the South End Zone until such time that we have a competitive football team that can at least win 6 or 7 games and we actually see an increase in avg attendance. Any money invested in some structure without a good product on the field is not going to draw fans back!
The BIG has passed Purdue by and we are running to catch up, but until the product gets better and people get excited investing money in the south end zone will be a huge mistake!
IMHO we should not do anything with the South End Zone until such time that we have a competitive football team that can at least win 6 or 7 games and we actually see an increase in avg attendance. Any money invested in some structure without a good product on the field is not going to draw fans back!
The BIG has passed Purdue by and we are running to catch up, but until the product gets better and people get excited investing money in the south end zone will be a huge mistake!
This won't make a lick of difference.
Nobody travels an hour to go to a minor league baseball game.
College football is NOT minor league baseball. The ticket price, travel, etc. is totally different. And the travel isn't a "Purdue thing" - there's typically a good number of people who are traveling a significant time to come to college football games as universities are typically not located in the heart of big cities.
People are not going to come from Indianapolis or Chicago/NW Indiana when the product is crap because they can buy a $10 beer.
Nobody travels an hour to go to a minor league baseball game.
College football is NOT minor league baseball. The ticket price, travel, etc. is totally different. And the travel isn't a "Purdue thing" - there's typically a good number of people who are traveling a significant time to come to college football games as universities are typically not located in the heart of big cities.
People are not going to come from Indianapolis or Chicago/NW Indiana when the product is crap because they can buy a $10 beer.
