Fire izzo!!!
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Wow really comparing a nat championship coach vs a guy who hasn't gotten past the s16. He lost to a team that couldn't miss a 3 compared to painter who ****ing choked away a 10 pt lead
Exactly. For comparison, find another power conference coach of similar pay with 10 years and no elite 8s. I like Painter, but he's not getting it done.
Yes because him being fired for not doing crap for 11 years is not justifiable. Ryan was at Wisky 14 years took them to the sweet 16 or past 7 times. Painter has done it twice in 11 years. Not a great comparison. Bo also won the Big Ten 4 times while Matt has won once...
Purdue had a 10 pt lead against a decent team, MSU never lead against a mediocre team. If you think Little Rock didn't hit a bunch of ridiculous 3s, you clearly didn't watch the end of the game.
dont even go there... Comparing Bo and Izzo to CMP is a joke. Bo made the tourney every year at Whisky. Went to the S16 7 times, the E8 3 times and the FF twice. Izzo has been to 7 FF. CMP's tournament record is closer to mine than it is either of those guys.
Can you tell me which one you'd prefer?
Coach #1 - $2.25 million salary
-9 seasons as a power conference head coach with 7 years as a mid-major coach
Power conference stats:
-0 conference championships
-Best conference finishes are two 2nd place finishes
-Have finished in the top 5 of the conference 5/9 seasons
-5/9 seasons have been in the NCAA Tournament
-Furthest advanced in the NCAA Tournament has been the Round of 32
Coach #2 - $2.3 million salary
-11 seasons as a power conference head coach with 1 year as a mid-major coach
Power conference stats:
-2 conference regular season championships, 1 conference tournament championship
-Have finished in the top 5 of the conference 7/11 seasons
-8/11 seasons have been in the NCAA Tournament
-Furthest advance in the NCAA Tournament has been 2 Sweet 16s
The point is $hit happens to everyone in the NCAA Tournament, no matter HOW good of a coach you have.
Can you tell me which coach you'd prefer?
Coach #1 - $2.3 million salary
-10 seasons as a power conference head coach
-2 conference regular season championships, 1 conference tournament championship
-Have finished in the top 5 of the conference 7/10 seasons
-6/10 seasons have been in the NCAA Tournament
-Furthest advance in the NCAA Tournament has been 2 Sweet 16s
Coach #2 - $2.3 million salary
-11 seasons as a power conference head coach with 1 year as a mid-major coach
Power conference stats:
-2 conference regular season championships, 1 conference tournament championship
-Have finished in the top 5 of the conference 7/11 seasons
-8/11 seasons have been in the NCAA Tournament
-Furthest advance in the NCAA Tournament has been 2 Sweet 16s
Can you tell me which coach you'd prefer?
Coach #1 - $2.1 million salary
-16 years as a power conference head coach with 3 years as a mid-major coach
Power conference stats:
-1 conference regular season championship
-Have finished in the top of the conference 12/16 years
-9/16 years have made the NCAA Tournament
-Furthest advance in the NCAA Tournament has been 1 Elite 8
Coach #2 - $2.3 million salary
-11 seasons as a power conference head coach with 1 year as a mid-major coach
Power conference stats:
-2 conference regular season championships, 1 conference tournament championship
-Have finished in the top 5 of the conference 7/11 seasons
-8/11 seasons have been in the NCAA Tournament
-Furthest advance in the NCAA Tournament has been 2 Sweet 16s
I'd pick this one
422–166 (.718)
Accomplishments and honors
Championships
NCAA Men's Division I Regional (2013)
NIT championship (2011)
7x Big South Tournament championship (1999, 2000–2002, 2005–2007)
6x Big South regular season championship (1999, 2002, 2003, 2005–2007)
4x MVC regular season championship (2012, 2014, 2015, 2016)
MVC Tournament championship (2014)
Awards
Naismith National Coach of the Year (2014)
NABC Coach of the Year (2014)
AP Coach of the Year (2014)
Henry Iba Award (2014)
Hugh Durham Award (2007)
Adolph Rupp Cup (2014)
4x Big South Coach of the Year (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007)
3x MVC Coach of the Year (2012–2014
422–166 (.718)
Accomplishments and honors
Championships
NCAA Men's Division I Regional (2013)
NIT championship (2011)
7x Big South Tournament championship (1999, 2000–2002, 2005–2007)
6x Big South regular season championship (1999, 2002, 2003, 2005–2007)
4x MVC regular season championship (2012, 2014, 2015, 2016)
MVC Tournament championship (2014)
Awards
Naismith National Coach of the Year (2014)
NABC Coach of the Year (2014)
AP Coach of the Year (2014)
Henry Iba Award (2014)
Hugh Durham Award (2007)
Adolph Rupp Cup (2014)
4x Big South Coach of the Year (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007)
3x MVC Coach of the Year (2012–2014
Can you tell me which coach you'd prefer?
Coach #1 - $2.5 million salary
-9 seasons as a power conference head coach, 3 years as a high mid-major coach, 5 as a lower mid-major
Power conference stats:
-0 conference championships
-Highest conference finish has been one 3rd place finish
-Have finished in the top 5 in the conference 2/9 seasons
-5/9 seasons have been in the NCAA Tournament
-Furthest advance in the NCAA Tournament has been 1 Round of 32
Coach #2 - $2.3 million salary
-11 seasons as a power conference head coach with 1 year as a mid-major coach
Power conference stats:
-2 conference regular season championships, 1 conference tournament championship
-Have finished in the top 5 of the conference 7/11 seasons
-8/11 seasons have been in the NCAA Tournament
-Furthest advance in the NCAA Tournament has been 2 Sweet 16s
I find it comical so many of you are standing behind Painter. He is nothing more than an average coach. He has not proven otherwise. Could we do worse, sure. Could we do better, absolutely. I don't understand how many are willing to accept medioricty. I love Purdue and I want the best. Painter isn't it!
Soo true. I am not saying Painter is the greatest coach in the world. But this fire Painter mantra over this loss is RIDICULOUS. The fire Painter mantra was legit when he had 2 awful seasons in 13-14. By this argument to fire Painter. Gene Keady should have been fired in 1992. That Keady loss in 87-88 was still the worst loss by a mile then Purdue losing to Ark. That was a #1 seed that all year had sliced and diced teams. Winning against top 10 teams on road. The team also lost as a 2 seed in Indy in 90. Why wasn't Keady fired?
This NCAA select committee did a better job then realized. Because the BIG 10 was overated this year. You find out how good your conference is and Purdue and Mich St losing to a 12 seed and a 15 seed is not a good argument for your conference. Purdue was overrated. Argument being Painter choked away a 14 point lead with under 4 minutes to go. If you watched the game (yes I did) Little Rock upped the def intensity waay up and Purdue's Point guards couldn't handle it. I noticed during the game that the Ark guards could sense that PJ and Hill were both struggling to handle their def one on one pressure just bringing the ball up the court. I do agree Painter could have coached a better game but you had that guard on Ark just go crazy hitting unreal shots. He had to hit a 30 footer to force overtime. The rest of the country doesn't care that Purdue or MSU lost. They look at it like this is what the NCAA tournament is all about. Cinderella and upsets.
The Purdue players seem to don't understand this is a 1 game elimination and every possession counts. Haas said they became passive late. You lose and your college career is over. Painter needs to instill that in the players. Chris Kramer always understood that when he played at Purdue.
IF PURDUE had lost this game against Ark with a senior laden team and the cupboard was bare I'd buy the argument Painter should be fired. But that is not the case. There is alot of talent on this team to be very good for at least the next 2 years.
Bleedgold you obviously don't look at the big picture. Painter recruited the current talent on this team. It's his program. OK lets say you fire Painter right now. Fire him. Swanigan says you know what I am going Pro. I'd assume most of the other players would stick around that are important. Carsen Edwards who stock has risen announces he is reneging on going to Purdue. OK NOW! So did Purdue get better with a new coach for 2015-2016? Your looking at hiring a mid major coach who you don't know will be better. My guess that coach would be Linc Darner.
On the other hand why don't you see what this Carsen Edwards can do playing PG and that other red shirt pg. OR see what Painter does in recruiting for next year. Who he brings in etc... I like the team for next year. In 2010 Purdue beat MSU and Ohio ST both in top 10 on road. Before Hummel went down I thought that was a final 4 team. They were playing great. Hummel went down and they struggled but still made the sweet 16.
I get the frustration. But you don't fire Painter right now. You fire Painter if this happens 2 more years from now. If it bothers you that much and you believe you are right. Then don't watch Purdue BBall until Painter is fired.
Okay.....hindsight is always 20-20....or should be. Please, without the advantage of looking back at the game tell us one change (other than fouling and a time out at the end) exactly what you would have done that Painter didn't do that would have made a difference in the outcome? Who would you have put in, taken out, what plays would you have called, what defense would you have played. So please tell us all what you would have done....without the advantage of knowing what already happened.
As a coach, you put your trust in your system, you put your trust in your players, and you trust the game will be called evenly.
IMO, We're past the "wait another (insert years). I waited for this group. That's when the waiting was. Stop asking every year to wait for the next....and the next. We've waited, and we're done waiting. We're waited out.
And, again with the Hummel stuff. You cannot prove what didn't happen. We've seen proof that with talent Painter can't get it done, so you cannot prove he'd have done it then. Hummel and the injury are a crutch some use for a pretend scenario y'all have manufactured out of hope and nothing else.
1) Don't pull both PG during a press when they clearly can't handle it. That's a mystery.
2) Don't run AJ, into the ground so he's gassed at the end when he's needed the very most. Should've had breaks with Haas and Biggie more. A no brainer to me.
3) Not have Hill driving out of control for the last shot. That's the best he could draw up? Really?
4) How do you have someone on the floor who watches the last 4 seconds of regulation tick off and do nothing? Just stand there and hold the ball. He was lost. Unacceptable.
Just my honest thoughts.
........and yet both coaches/teams are watching the games now. I'd expect a nat champ coach to at least have a lead against a 15 seed. Fire his ass.
Ok. You found 3 that are close comparisons. I think Painter only has 1 regular season championship if he is, indeed, the 2nd choice. Have the other 3 been at the same power conference school for all those years? Hard to find too many in this category. I'd be interested to know who the other 3 are. Pitts head coach comes to mind as a possibility without researching, might be wrong. There could be a late bloomer in there. How long are you willing to wait?
Dude, you are one of the finest apologists I have ever seen and that's saying something. You should read some of the Crean apologists over at Peegs!
I take my hat off to you.
Wow you always have great points the what a troll ad. Hom. Attacking instead of discussion. Please go back to your trailer, Nancy cross!
Lol looks like Kessel/ boilerwizard has returned. Wonder how long til this handle gets banned?
Matt fainter has huge weaknesses we see then every year! His teams can't beat the press lose winnable games in head shaking fashion, fail to close out games in the tourney, can't produce a good pg even if his name wad Chris Paul, can't close out recruiting marquee players, etc, etc. He is a known commodity and a gene keady jr.
It's not one game, it's the entire body of work.
The most important position on floor is PG, and MP has either recruited poorly or run off the talent he did have. Maybe next year is different with C Edwards
The bottom line is, the last 2 tourney games, his team has blown a 7 pt lead in under a minute and a 14 pt lead with 5 mins.
There's something wrong with the coach in that situation.
I mean, those coaches are either paid the same or paid more and on paper, Painter has better overall accomplishments than all of them.
Jamie Dixon is one that has been at Pitt a while - he obviously had a lot of success at the beginning, but has trailed off a bit since.
I think overall, it's important to realize that not many coaches stick around very long. And it's not necessarily that they are going on to do bigger and better things - because teams can't find success. It's easier said than done. Look at Illinois - they got rid of Weber thinking they could do better and they're doing worse. Look at Minnesota - the've churned through coaches. And these aren't schools underfunding their programs or without solid basketball history or overshadowed by football. As I mentioned before, Painter has actually done pretty well in the tournament and has avoided upsets. The problem is instead of the 2 "bitter" years being spread throughout the several appearances, they are back to back and after a couple disappointing seasons. So I think part of it is perception because it has been a while since we were happy after the first round of the tournament. But the fire talk is just a bit absurd. There are a lot of power conference schools that would LOVE to have had the last 10 years that Purdue basketball has had.
I don't get the "blown a lead in his last 2 tournament game" argument. If you just lost the last 2 games and were losing the whole game, is that better?? Like Michigan State was down the whole game today. Does that make it better? lol
TJ, I am precisely looking at the big picture. Don't you think the sample size we have with Painter is large enough? I think we know exactly what we're going to get. I believe the collapse we saw yesterday will effect recruiting for years to come. If I'm a competing coach, I would show every recruit the last three minutes of that game. I would agree with you if this was an isolated incident, but this has been a pattern.
I agree Carsen should help, but the PG position was only a small part of the problem. I have absolutely no worry that Swanigan will be back next year. He isn't close to being NBA ready. I would not advocate hiring Darner because we would be getting more of the same. Purdue will not fire Painter now, I understand that. My point is simple, he is deserving of being fired and he eventually will meet that fate. I hope for the good of the program it is sooner than later.
Losing a NCAA game when you have a 7 pt lead is unacceptable.
Having a 14 pt lead over an over matched team in the NCAA and blowing that lead is also unacceptable.
The funny thing is, you could see it coming. The other team turns up the heat and Painters team doesn't match it.
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