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FF in Painter's tenure?

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I know my Dad is 82 and he got to see Purdue in 2 Final Fours I believe. Nice, but I did not get to see them either before my time or before I became a big fan. I am wondering if I will get to see Purdue basketball in a FF?

How many think Painter will add a FF for Purdue Basketball in his tenure?

Hopeful Boiler!
 
Given the direction recruiting has gone so far for '17, I think this year is our best shot for a FF for the next 2 or 3 years. I'm hoping the team gets to the top 10 & stays there, then gets a 1 or 2 seed, and finally closes the deal and makes it to the FF. I said "hoping" because I think the more realistic expectation is more top 15 to top 20, between a 3 & 6 seed, sweet 16 in the tourney. It would be pretty exciting if even that happens, but I'm with you - let's get to the FF while we have the caliber of players to pull it off.

Do I "think Painter will add a FF in his tenure"...? I do think he'll do it eventually if he continues to be the HC.
 
I know my Dad is 82 and he got to see Purdue in 2 Final Fours I believe. Nice, but I did not get to see them either before my time or before I became a big fan. I am wondering if I will get to see Purdue basketball in a FF?

How many think Painter will add a FF for Purdue Basketball in his tenure?

Hopeful Boiler!
I think he will eventually get it done. If Villanova can win it all, so can Purdue.
 
He'll get there. He's not going anywhere for awhile so he'll get plenty of chances. His best chance for awhile will be this year or next, if Swanigan returns, for 4-5 years. Recruiting in '16 and '17 hasn't been good enough for this cycle. Painter will have a better chance in recruiting for '18 and '19 when he can guarantee immediate playing time. Look for the next legit shots in '20 or '21.
 
I know my Dad is 82 and he got to see Purdue in 2 Final Fours I believe. Nice, but I did not get to see them either before my time or before I became a big fan. I am wondering if I will get to see Purdue basketball in a FF?

How many think Painter will add a FF for Purdue Basketball in his tenure?

Hopeful Boiler!

LOL no chance. He can't recruit well enough.
 
I know my Dad is 82 and he got to see Purdue in 2 Final Fours I believe. Nice, but I did not get to see them either before my time or before I became a big fan. I am wondering if I will get to see Purdue basketball in a FF?

How many think Painter will add a FF for Purdue Basketball in his tenure?

Hopeful Boiler!

No question.
 
He'll likely get to stay put as long as wants to, so he'll certainly get the opportunity. However, I don't see him getting it done.
 
I know my Dad is 82 and he got to see Purdue in 2 Final Fours I believe. Nice, but I did not get to see them either before my time or before I became a big fan. I am wondering if I will get to see Purdue basketball in a FF?

How many think Painter will add a FF for Purdue Basketball in his tenure?

Hopeful Boiler!
If I had to pick, I would say no, but it's like a 55/45 no. And that would be unfortunate, because if Hummel doesn't hurt his knee, i think they make it that year, which would have jump started recruiting, then....who knows? Same with Glenn's back, or Jaraan's ankle, or mitch richmond's bank shot...
 
You don't think Haas, Vince Edwards, and Biggie all have a shot in the NBA? 2-3 NBA-level players often means a good chance at going far in the NCAAT, no?

Didn't Hammons just get drafted, too?

Those three players don't fit very well. A combo of Swanigan and Haas leaves a TON to be desired, defensively.

Vince is a better 4 than 3.
 
And we care what an IU fan thinks because?

Ah, the classic dismissal because it's something you disagree with.

We've seen 11 seasons of Painter. Besides the Hummel years, what makes you think a FF is realistic under Painter?

I think the 'Villanova did so so can we' crowd is hilarious.

Jay Wright and Villanova are currently on another level than Purdue.

Purdue had a good chance to take that next step with Hummel and co, but we all know what happened.

Painter is a decent coach who has had success, but I think Purdue can do better and someone else can bring in a different culture than 'play hard' and 'defense lives here' aka nothing that's attractive to your average 18 year old recruit.
 
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Yes, I think Painter is on the right track. These things take time if you build the right kind of program. We need to do it with integrity and with good kids. No quick fixes, thank you.

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Those three players don't fit very well. A combo of Swanigan and Haas leaves a TON to be desired, defensively.

Vince is a better 4 than 3.
Moronic. Like most of the NBA teams give a damn about playing defense. Both Swanigan and Haas will get drafted. Edwards has a shot at being drafted because he's just a good player who seems to improve every year.

And what's the likelihood 2 - 3 former Purdue players end up on the same NBA team?
 
You don't think Haas, Vince Edwards, and Biggie all have a shot in the NBA? 2-3 NBA-level players often means a good chance at going far in the NCAAT, no?

Didn't Hammons just get drafted, too?
Definitely high expectations of competing for a big ten title and making a deep tourney run
 
I would like him and his staff to prove myself and others wrong, but I don't think he will. It will have to happen with a different HC and coaching staff. I've watched (I would say) approximately 90% of the Purdue men's hoops games from 2006-2007 (his second season) to the present on TV, the internet (ESPN360), or in person, so I believe I have a have an inkling of what he is as a head coach.

There are things that keep him from being an elite HC. He's too stubborn in his ways in regards to his offensive and defensive philosophies, too slow when it comes to making adjustments in games, generally too slow in his recruiting process of grad or JUCO transfer prospects (I know he's had several grad transfers the past few years, but think about how long it takes him to get them to Purdue vs. some of the other schools that already have their transfers by late March or April). Also, of course, he has "struck out" more often than he has "homered" when it comes to getting LOI's from high 4 or 5-star type of HS talent.

Another thing is that when his teams are in close games (particularly in the B1G or NCAA Tourney), he does not seem to eminate the poise or confidence on the sidelines that instills confidence in his players in close games and in general, he lacks the charisma that some of the top HC's in college hoops appear to possess.
 
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So because I don't use "us," I'm an IU fan? That's ridiculous.

I'm describing the players on the team and the coaching staff. I'm not on the team, nor am I on the coaching staff.
No you're an IU fan because you used "they" when describing Purdue in another post because you forgot to swap IDs. Go back to peegs there IUdeac.
 
I know my Dad is 82 and he got to see Purdue in 2 Final Fours I believe. Nice, but I did not get to see them either before my time or before I became a big fan. I am wondering if I will get to see Purdue basketball in a FF?

How many think Painter will add a FF for Purdue Basketball in his tenure?

Hopeful Boiler!
Due to the lack of home runs in the 2017 all-in class, this year will be his last and best chance to do it. Our hopes fall on a freshman PG and a stubborn coach's willingness to let him play. -> Not looking good
 
I would like him and his staff to prove myself and others wrong, but I don't think he will. It will have to happen with a different HC and coaching staff. I've watched (I would say) approximately 90% of the Purdue men's hoops games from 2006-2007 (his second season) to the present on TV, the internet (ESPN360), or in person, so I believe I have a have an inkling of what he is as a head coach.

There are things that keep him from being an elite HC. He's too stubborn in his ways in regards to his offensive and defensive philosophies, too slow when it comes to making adjustments in games, generally too slow in his recruiting process of grad or JUCO transfer prospects (I know he's had several grad transfers the past few years, but think about how long it takes him to get them to Purdue vs. some of the other schools that already have their transfers by late March or April). Also, of course, he has "struck out" more often than he has "homered" when it comes to getting LOI's from high 4 or 5-star type of HS talent.

Another thing is that when his teams are in close games (particularly in the B1G or NCAA Tourney), he does not seem to eminate the poise or confidence on the sidelines that instills confidence in his players in close games and in general, he lacks the charisma that some of the top HC's in college hoops appear to possess.

Nag, this is a good post. I don't agree with your perspective here, but you express your opinions well.

I think he wants his game plan to work, so he is stubborn about changing during games where his team struggles. He does adjust appropriately IMHO, but that is certainly an open topic. As far as grad student players, Painter has brought in superior players every time he has looked into the grad student pool, so I can't really argue with his success. If it were me, I would try to give scholarships to freshmen first, and use grad students as a back up strategy. That may make him seem reluctant or slow to move on early transfers.

Of course he has struck out more than hit homers on the 5-star boys. Every coach that recruits at that level will strike out more than hit. That is the nature of the recruiting game. Furthermore, he and HOF Izzo seem to target the same kids, which means he is competing against one of the very best recruiters in the game. I'd rather compete against Izzo than give up and go for kids that are a step down.

You and I agree on the charisma thing. Painter will need to develop this aspect more strongly to reach the heights we expect of him. In some respects, charisma and game confidence are the weakest point in his repertoire. The good news is that those aspects are a result of personal growth and can be developed over time. His work ethic, and his basketball knowledge are his strongest points, so I see a balance here. There are coaches better at this job than Painter, but not very many of them.

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Moronic. Like most of the NBA teams give a damn about playing defense. Both Swanigan and Haas will get drafted. Edwards has a shot at being drafted because he's just a good player who seems to improve every year.

And what's the likelihood 2 - 3 former Purdue players end up on the same NBA team?

You think the NBA doesn't give a damn about defense?

Have you taken a look at the value of Draymond Green? One of the things that makes him so valuable is his ability to guard multiple positions.

Or the fact that Deandre Jordan was the First Team Center on the All-NBA team? That guy is explicitly out there for rebounding and rim protection.

You clearly don't know much about bball if you say defense isn't something NBA teams give a damn about.
 
You think the NBA doesn't give a damn about defense?

Have you taken a look at the value of Draymond Green? One of the things that makes him so valuable is his ability to guard multiple positions.

Or the fact that Deandre Jordan was the First Team Center on the All-NBA team? That guy is explicitly out there for rebounding and rim protection.

You clearly don't know much about bball if you say defense isn't something NBA teams give a damn about.

I know I don't give a damn about the NBA.
 
No you're an IU fan because you used "they" when describing Purdue in another post because you forgot to swap IDs. Go back to peegs there IUdeac.

Hey, man! That hurts my feelings.

I'm a die-hard Purdue fan, but I know Purdue can achieve better things. I don't just attack every single person on here that disagrees with you (e.g. you telling another poster to go play in traffic).

I won't apologize for holding Purdue to a higher standard.
 
Nag, this is a good post. I don't agree with your perspective here, but you express your opinions well.

I think he wants his game plan to work, so he is stubborn about changing during games where his team struggles. He does adjust appropriately IMHO, but that is certainly an open topic. As far as grad student players, Painter has brought in superior players every time he has looked into the grad student pool, so I can't really argue with his success. If it were me, I would try to give scholarships to freshmen first, and use grad students as a back up strategy. That may make him seem reluctant or slow to move on early transfers.

Of course he has struck out more than hit homers on the 5-star boys. Every coach that recruits at that level will strike out more than hit. That is the nature of the recruiting game. Furthermore, he and HOF Izzo seem to target the same kids, which means he is competing against one of the very best recruiters in the game. I'd rather compete against Izzo than give up and go for kids that are a step down.

You and I agree on the charisma thing. Painter will need to develop this aspect more strongly to reach the heights we expect of him. In some respects, charisma and game confidence are the weakest point in his repertoire. The good news is that those aspects are a result of personal growth and can be developed over time. His work ethic, and his basketball knowledge are his strongest points, so I see a balance here. There are coaches better at this job than Painter, but not very many of them.

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I agree Painter could use both way more charisma & also a lot more BS in his recruiting. It has been chronicled on here about his realistic straight forward truthful approach to recruits.

I appreciate the notion above to hold Purdue & Painter to high standards. Certainly a FF could be a high standard....a B1G title would be a high standard.that perhaps would be more realistic measurement of success for Painter. I think the standard for 2016-17 should be the latter as there is too much luck in getting to a FF. Still I am going to stay hopeful for a FF this year as without it, I wonder if I will ever see one under Painter ever???
 
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Nag, this is a good post. I don't agree with your perspective here, but you express your opinions well.

I think he wants his game plan to work, so he is stubborn about changing during games where his team struggles. He does adjust appropriately IMHO, but that is certainly an open topic. As far as grad student players, Painter has brought in superior players every time he has looked into the grad student pool, so I can't really argue with his success. If it were me, I would try to give scholarships to freshmen first, and use grad students as a back up strategy. That may make him seem reluctant or slow to move on early transfers.

Of course he has struck out more than hit homers on the 5-star boys. Every coach that recruits at that level will strike out more than hit. That is the nature of the recruiting game. Furthermore, he and HOF Izzo seem to target the same kids, which means he is competing against one of the very best recruiters in the game. I'd rather compete against Izzo than give up and go for kids that are a step down.

You and I agree on the charisma thing. Painter will need to develop this aspect more strongly to reach the heights we expect of him. In some respects, charisma and game confidence are the weakest point in his repertoire. The good news is that those aspects are a result of personal growth and can be developed over time. His work ethic, and his basketball knowledge are his strongest points, so I see a balance here. There are coaches better at this job than Painter, but not very many of them.

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Johnny Hill was not superior, IMHO. His boneheaded plays at the end of games (MSU and against UALR) cost us any chance of winning either of those games.

Jon Octeus was a true Godsend in 2014, no doubt. I wish we had him for two years.

We'll see how Spike does this year.
 
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SDBoiler1 brought up the NBA, not me.
You're an idiot. Here is your direct quote:

"LOL no chance. He can't recruit well enough."

I brought up the NBA because I think Biggie and Haas will make NBA rosters. VE has a shot. Hammons just got drafted. For you to say "he can't recruit well enough" shows how little you know about Purdue MBB. Championship-caliber teams usually have 2 - 3 legit NBA-capable players on them. Don't tell me that Painter can't recruit when he's sending guys to the NBA. E'Twaun Moore anyone? Hummel is getting another shot with Denver? Carl Landry - ok, Painter didn't recruit him, but he helped develop Landry into a player who has had a long, distinguished NBA career.

Sorry that the facts don't back up your bull$hit claims. He did have a swoon after the Baby Boilers, but his recruiting has picked appreciably through the 2016 class. Carsen Edwards is going to be a good player for Purdue. We'll see what happens with the 2017 class - disappointing start so far...
 
You're an idiot. Here is your direct quote:

"LOL no chance. He can't recruit well enough."

I brought up the NBA because I think Biggie and Haas will make NBA rosters. VE has a shot. Hammons just got drafted. For you to say "he can't recruit well enough" shows how little you know about Purdue MBB. Championship-caliber teams usually have 2 - 3 legit NBA-capable players on them. Don't tell me that Painter can't recruit when he's sending guys to the NBA. E'Twaun Moore anyone? Hummel is getting another shot with Denver? Carl Landry - ok, Painter didn't recruit him, but he helped develop Landry into a player who has had a long, distinguished NBA career.

Sorry that the facts don't back up your bull$hit claims. He did have a swoon after the Baby Boilers, but his recruiting has picked appreciably through the 2016 class. Carsen Edwards is going to be a good player for Purdue. We'll see what happens with the 2017 class - disappointing start so far...

Haas and Swanigan are currently fringe NBA players. I think you are overvaluing Haas value, as it relates to the NBA. He is slow and isn't great on defense...ability to extend and defend (think Steven Adams) is what the NBA values in big men similar to Haas.

Swanigan has shown absolutely NOTHING to indicate that he's an NBA player. He can't guard the 4 position, can't jump and is too short to play the 5. Your claims are both hilarious, biased and uninformed.

Hummel is a fringe NBA player, and E'Twaun is a nice backup, guard.

Keep holding the program back with your acceptance of mediocrity that is Matt Painter at Purdue. But, he loves Purdue, so keep him around for as long as possible!!!!

"Idiot" lol you crack me up. Painter had one elite recruiting class with IU out of the picture. I think it's sad how far you go to defend him.

Newsflash...Notre Dame, IU and Butler have all passed Purdue, in terms of how recruits perceive the schools. It's a damn shame, and it's something that I deem as unacceptable. Do you? Or are you content with Purdue getting its ass kicked in the crossroads classic yet again? Or maybe another first round flame out to a Arkansas-Little Rock?
 
Haas and Swanigan are currently fringe NBA players. I think you are overvaluing Haas value, as it relates to the NBA. He is slow and isn't great on defense...ability to extend and defend (think Steven Adams) is what the NBA values in big men similar to Haas.

Swanigan has shown absolutely NOTHING to indicate that he's an NBA player. He can't guard the 4 position, can't jump and is too short to play the 5. Your claims are both hilarious, biased and uninformed.

Hummel is a fringe NBA player, and E'Twaun is a nice backup, guard.

Keep holding the program back with your acceptance of mediocrity that is Matt Painter at Purdue. But, he loves Purdue, so keep him around for as long as possible!!!!

"Idiot" lol you crack me up. Painter had one elite recruiting class with IU out of the picture. I think it's sad how far you go to defend him.

Newsflash...Notre Dame, IU and Butler have all passed Purdue, in terms of how recruits perceive the schools. It's a damn shame, and it's something that I deem as unacceptable. Do you? Or are you content with Purdue getting its ass kicked in the crossroads classic yet again? Or maybe another first round flame out to a Arkansas-Little Rock?
Any player with Haas' size will get a long look from the NBA. If the NBA will sign uncoordinated Eastern European or Chinese players that are >7', they'll sign him. how do you know what he's capable of. He sat behind an NBA draft pick ($4M rookie contract) for the last two years.

As a FR, Swanigan averaged 10 ppg and 8.3 rpg (he nearly led the BIG as a FR) and he was a FR All-BIG player. What's hilarious and uninformed is a moron like you saying that Swanigan is not and will not be an NBA player.

E'Twaun Moore has started 46 games in his career. Back-ups don't usually start games. If he's so bad, why have 4 teams signed him to contracts? His latest one with the New Orleans Pelicans is for 4 years and $34M. $8M a year is strong bank for a "nice back-up".

What is amazing to me is your obvious level of vitriol for Purdue. You are not a Purdue fan at all. You've been called out as an IU shill, and it does seem appropriate.
 
You're an idiot. Here is your direct quote:

"LOL no chance. He can't recruit well enough."

I brought up the NBA because I think Biggie and Haas will make NBA rosters. VE has a shot. Hammons just got drafted. For you to say "he can't recruit well enough" shows how little you know about Purdue MBB. Championship-caliber teams usually have 2 - 3 legit NBA-capable players on them. Don't tell me that Painter can't recruit when he's sending guys to the NBA. E'Twaun Moore anyone? Hummel is getting another shot with Denver? Carl Landry - ok, Painter didn't recruit him, but he helped develop Landry into a player who has had a long, distinguished NBA career.

Sorry that the facts don't back up your bull$hit claims. He did have a swoon after the Baby Boilers, but his recruiting has picked appreciably through the 2016 class. Carsen Edwards is going to be a good player for Purdue. We'll see what happens with the 2017 class - disappointing start so far...
So by your definition with 2 "championship caliber" teams, CMP did....what?

:) Just playing
 
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