Feels like . BT title is coming down to Wisconsin vs Purdue
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I'm not sure that's locked in. Illinois still gets us at home for one.
Yeah figuring a loss there which forces a must win at Purdue against Wisky tie breaker to Purdue? Is that got any realism to it?
I think it comes down which of top three teams can manage to hold serve and win more of their remaining games.
Illini have 9 remaining games with 5 away games at MS, IA, WS, PS, Maryland, 4 home Michigan, PU, IA, MN.
Badgers have 9 remaining games 5 @ PU, R, IU, IA, Michigan & 4 home IL, Maryland, OS, R. (Only advantage is they don’t play MS & both IL & we do)
We have 8 remaining games, 5 home IU, MN,’R, MS, WS & 3 away OS , Michigan, IL
I think Illinois probably has toughest remaining schedule, 5 away 1 @ MS & 1 @ Mackey 4 home 1 vs IL. Wisconsin likely next toughest 5 away (1@ Mackey) and 4 home 1 against IL. We have 3 away games 1 @ IL and 5 @ home 1 against MS & 1 WS.
If they both lose 2 games that allows us to Win outright even if we drop 1. Boiler Up 🖤💛🏀
Illini have 9 remaining games with 5 away games at MS, IA, WS, PS, Maryland, 4 home Michigan, PU, IA, MN.
Badgers have 9 remaining games 5 @ PU, R, IU, IA, Michigan & 4 home IL, Maryland, OS, R. (Only advantage is they don’t play MS & both IL & we do)
We have 8 remaining games, 5 home IU, MN,’R, MS, WS & 3 away OS , Michigan, IL
I think Illinois probably has toughest remaining schedule, 5 away 1 @ MS & 1 @ Mackey 4 home 1 vs IL. Wisconsin likely next toughest 5 away (1@ Mackey) and 4 home 1 against IL. We have 3 away games 1 @ IL and 5 @ home 1 against MS & 1 WS.
If they both lose 2 games that allows us to Win outright even if we drop 1. Boiler Up 🖤💛🏀
This coming Saturday afternoon's game with Illinois at Michigan State will be a battle. MSU probably needs it more now after losing tonight in Minny.
Purdue and Wisconsin control their own destiny to the outright title, though Wisconsin's path now goes through Mackey. Illinois controls its own destiny to a tie.
Purdue still has to go to Illinois. Illinois still has to go to Wisconsin. Wisconsin still has to go to Purdue.
And each of the top 3 still had tough games remaining besides each other.
So, in short, there's a long way to go.
Purdue still has to go to Illinois. Illinois still has to go to Wisconsin. Wisconsin still has to go to Purdue.
And each of the top 3 still had tough games remaining besides each other.
So, in short, there's a long way to go.
Wisconsin needs help for an outright title, correct ? I.e they need to win out AND have someone else beat us.
Given that it's a two-game drop-off to 4th with Northwestern and Minnesota, I'd hasten to wager that at least one of Purdue, Wisconsin, or Illinois wins/shares the regular season title. Purdue is in the best shape right now, naturally, but that can change really quickly. Last year, Purdue went 4-4 down the stretch......can't repeat that, obviously, and the make-up of this team suggests a different course.....plus, each season is different in its own right.
Lot of work left for the Boilers, and the task can get really difficult when looking too far ahead. You never know.....who had Minnesota in a tie for 4th at this stage before the season? and Ohio State and Michigan vying for last? Michigan State still looking to find its rhythm with as much experience it has? The one thing that a lot of people saw similar to last year......a bunch of teams in the middle with not much separating them. BTT tie-breakers for seeding could be as crazy as last year....
Lot of work left for the Boilers, and the task can get really difficult when looking too far ahead. You never know.....who had Minnesota in a tie for 4th at this stage before the season? and Ohio State and Michigan vying for last? Michigan State still looking to find its rhythm with as much experience it has? The one thing that a lot of people saw similar to last year......a bunch of teams in the middle with not much separating them. BTT tie-breakers for seeding could be as crazy as last year....
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Sorry, that's correct. My bad. Purdue is the only team that controls its own destiny to the outright title right now.
Wisconsin and Illinois can both get to a 17-3 tie without help. In that scenario one would obviously eliminate the other and hand Purdue its third loss.
Plus, each of the top 3 has additional tough games down the stretch. So, nothing is even close to being decided. Should be an exciting February.
I saw a tweet with our magic number to tie and win outright. If I find it I will post.
The way I look at it, hold serve at home (5 more wins) and take 2/3 on the road (Ohio State and Michigan). Not sure I see if winning 8/8 but who knows
The way I look at it, hold serve at home (5 more wins) and take 2/3 on the road (Ohio State and Michigan). Not sure I see if winning 8/8 but who knows
The magic number is tricky because of all the head-to-head matchups. I mean if Illinois beats Wisconsin then we beat Illinois, the number is less than the "technical" magic number of 8.
In other words, the technical magic number of 8 actually clinches a 2-game win, not 1.
If we are talking outright title (versus shared), then yes, Purdue is the only one who controls it's destiny.
If we are talking the 1 seed at the BTT, then there is still a lot of possibilities.
If Wisconsin wins out and Purdue wins out except for the Wisconsin game, then both teams finish with 3 losses and they split their meetings 1-1. From there, Wisconsin actually has a significant advantage because they have the better record against NW and Nebraska (1-0 against NW, 1-1 against NE, compared to Purdue's 1-1 against NW and 0-1 against NE). MSU, IU, and MN finishing ahead of NW and NE wouldn't help because Purdue and Wisconsin would be undefeated against those teams (and a 2-0 is the same as a 1-0 with regards to the tie-breakers I believe). The only tie-beaker Purdue has would be if Penn State somehow finishes ahead of NW and NE.
So Purdue reeeeeaaaallly needs to win that home game against Wisconsin (if they have won the rest of their games) if it wants to lock up the 1 seed.
Yes, the BTT seeding tie-breakers are based on "winning percentage." Illinois also has the 1-0 record against Nebraska, too I think.....so yes, either NW or Nebraska having a high finish could impact seeding for Purdue. A lot of combinations, and the seedings can flip flop multiple times......Maryland, Michigan State, and Indiana still may have a lot to say......we shall see.
If I were forced to bet, I'd say no team (including Purdue) wins out.....that's really going against a trend
Can’t wait to see how much confusion adding the PAC12 teams makes this tie breaker system.
Perhaps we should add moon cycle for home and away games
Perhaps we should add moon cycle for home and away games
In all seriousness, adding those west coast schools is going to be hell on the players. Traveling east from UCLA to Rutgers is literally an all-day endeavor (12 hours of flight time, three hours of time change). It wont be as bad for football because you can travel back on Sunday, but having a mid-week basketball game at UCLA means the kids will likely miss two full days of classes. Maybe even three (I thought I remember hearing that the Big Ten requires schools to send their teams almost a full day early so as to alleviate any weather / maintenance issues that could pop up for the airlines).
PURDUE, ILL, WISC
Dogfight till the end of the season. Would be great if both non-Purfue teams were to lose 2-3 more games, which in this league is possible.
Dogfight till the end of the season. Would be great if both non-Purfue teams were to lose 2-3 more games, which in this league is possible.
I agree. I think everyone will lose at least one more. 16-4 could win the league.
This is just a guess, but I'm thinking they will schedule out west or coming east for (2) games, not one. For instance PU will go out west and play UCLA and USC in a 3 or 4 day period. Then come home for a couple games. Same for the west schools coming east. That's how the Pac 12 did/does it now.
It’s a business and now it’ll show even more now. The NCAA/conferences do not care about kids graduating… they just want that $$$$ generated from wherever it may be and don’t care about the cost.
Wis or Ill play each other and so one gets a loss from that game and so the loser is probably out of it and both could lose to Purdue. Need a win this Saturday as many of us have seen over the years the game typically is competitive even when it appears it shouldn't be.
Purdue has the same concerns as before. IU will work on the double and digs by the 1,2 and 3 positions. Leal helps their movement of the ball. Hope they don't have a good shooting night. Expect McBako and Ware to get more minutes...unless Ware's knee is tweaked more than it seems. We shall see how players not named Galloway and Reneau handle the atmosphere .
Nevermind.
That's my third bad take in a week.
1)NW is crappy on the road
2)Maryland has a good shot of making the tourney.
3)Wisconsin is in good position for the 1 seed.
Hmmmmmm.
New prediction: Illinois is going to dominate MSU this weekend!
Michigan just beat Wisconsin making 3 losses in a row for Wisconsin
Yep gives us some breathing room…need sparty to help us out a bit with Illinois.
I like Purdue’s chances of going 17-3, but 16-4 wouldn’t surprise me either. I think Illinois finishes 15-5 at best. Wisconsin appears to be fading and will likely finish no better than 14-6.
Maryland blew their tourney shot with the home loss to Rutgers. They would have to probably win out the reg season and they still have 2 Q3 losses in the non-con.
That was my point. Thus my "third bad take of the week". I made that prediction before they lost to Rutgers.
Hey, at least you can admitt when wrong... unlike 90% of posters on 100% of online discourse. lol. I respect it.
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