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Signing day latest example Big Ten's East-West divisions are too lopsided, need a rethink​

Since realignment, the East has won all eight Big Ten championship games. The average margin of victory in that time: 20 points.​

Zach Osterman
Indianapolis Star

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Years ago, on the eve of the Big Ten’s move to an east-west divisional alignment, an IU coach told me the Hoosiers were excited at the prospect.
This ran against the widely held belief among his fans, that the move would further cement the program’s ceiling, forcing Indiana to play Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State every season while in-state rival Purdue got off relatively easier. Going into the East, fans said then, was a hammer blow to IU’s burgeoning football ambitions.
Said coach disagreed. The East, they said, was where the real action in the Big Ten would be. Playing in the East would allow IU to offer players a chance to face the conference’s best teams, in its biggest, most impressive venues, year after year. There was little more than a potentially softer schedule to recommend the West.

The intimation was clear: The East was the big ticket. Eight years later, little has happened to dispel that notion, creating an imbalance the conference needs to address — even if it doesn’t want to.
That divide felt enormously pronounced on Wednesday, when the dust settled to reveal the Big Ten’s teamwide recruiting rankings split along divisional lines. The entire top half of the conference’s rankings belonged to the East, the bottom half to the West.

Those numbers are skewed somewhat by smaller classes at Wisconsin, Iowa and Nebraska. Recruiting rankings are based partly on quantity, and the free COVID year will lead some programs to take smaller classes for the time being, then hit the portal on the back end to make up the difference. Nevertheless, it’s just the most extreme example of a consistent trend.

In the eight full recruiting cycles since the Big Ten’s first post-realignment season, 2014, the East has never accounted for fewer than four of the conference’s top seven recruiting classes. Five of those eight years (including this one), that number has been five or better. One of the years the East only had four of the top seven, it still had five of the top eight.

Consistently, the same schools have showed up at the top of those rankings — Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, etc. Results on the field have followed results in recruiting. Since realignment, the East has won all eight Big Ten championship games. The average margin of victory in that time: 20 points. Three times in those eight years, you could make a credible case the West champion would’ve been a playoff contender had it won the game.

Like it or not, that is the chief currency in college football right now, which means it is the most valuable currency in college sports. Playoff participation is the surest way to pull up a seat at the big boys’ table, and from a Big Ten perspective, the East dominates it. Since the Playoff’s inception in 2014, a team from the East has finished in the top 12 — not an assurance but a good baseline for potential participation in New Year’s Six bowls — of the final rankings 19 times. Nineteen. For the West, that number is four.

Players celebrate winning the Big Ten Championship against Iowa Hawkeyes on Saturday, Dec. 5, 2021, during the Big Ten championship game at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.


The result is a conference whose ambitions have become as lopsided as its divisions. Too often, the Big Ten’s best teams are forced to spend the season beating up on one another while the conference waits and hopes one rises above the fray with a legitimate playoff resume. It’s an unnecessary risk. The SEC, the conference the Big Ten would like to consider its closest (perhaps only) peer, has never missed a playoff. Twice, including this year, it has landed multiple teams in the field. The Big Ten can say neither of those things, and it’s worth noting, via the admittedly small sample size of eight years, that the two times the SEC put multiple teams in the national semifinals, they came from opposite divisions.

Not that this topic hasn’t come up. Repeatedly, in conference-wide media settings first with Jim Delany and more recently with Kevin Warren, Delany’s successor as commissioner, the question of reexamining divisions has been raised. And the reply is always been some version of the same answer: The conference is good with what it has. Which begs a more fundamental question: Should it be?

The East-West alignment is easy. It’s geographically clean, and only requires the Big Ten to protect one rivalry (IU-Purdue), making scheduling easier. But all of us in the media, including yours truly, who mocked the conceit of the “Legends” and “Leaders” divisions ignored that the distribution of power was much more even: Iowa, Michigan and Michigan State on one side, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State on the other.

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Now, the conference is top heavy, and it’s not putting its best foot forward as a result. What else might work?

Warren has suggested expansion is not on the Big Ten’s list of priorities at present, but if the conference ever got to 16 teams, a pod-like alignment would be interesting. Four groups of four, giving each Big Ten team three dedicated opponents to preserve rivalries and break up power monopolies. If the league stayed with a nine-game schedule, it could split the remaining 20 games against non-pod opponents over three seasons home and away, with one home and one road game lopped off the end to make the numbers work. It would be even cleaner if the conference went back to eight games: three dedicated opponents every year, and then the other 10, home and away, played across a four-year cycle, with five non-pod conference games each year.

Assuming the Big Ten stays at 14, North-South might be a better split, perhaps trading the Michigan schools to the North for Purdue and Illinois to the South. That would put Ohio State and Penn State on one side, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa and Wisconsin on the other. It wouldn’t be perfect, and there would still need to be some built-in rivalry protection, but it would at least redistribute the conference’s most-powerful brands to some degree. This is, of course, entirely speculation. The conference has shown little appetite for a second post-expansion realignment. It is increasingly clear the Big Ten is comfortable with its present condition, regardless of its flaws.
 
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Signing day latest example Big Ten's East-West divisions are too lopsided, need a rethink​

Since realignment, the East has won all eight Big Ten championship games. The average margin of victory in that time: 20 points.​

Zach Osterman
Indianapolis Star

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Years ago, on the eve of the Big Ten’s move to an east-west divisional alignment, an IU coach told me the Hoosiers were excited at the prospect.
This ran against the widely held belief among his fans, that the move would further cement the program’s ceiling, forcing Indiana to play Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State every season while in-state rival Purdue got off relatively easier. Going into the East, fans said then, was a hammer blow to IU’s burgeoning football ambitions.
Said coach disagreed. The East, they said, was where the real action in the Big Ten would be. Playing in the East would allow IU to offer players a chance to face the conference’s best teams, in its biggest, most impressive venues, year after year. There was little more than a potentially softer schedule to recommend the West.

The intimation was clear: The East was the big ticket. Eight years later, little has happened to dispel that notion, creating an imbalance the conference needs to address — even if it doesn’t want to.
That divide felt enormously pronounced on Wednesday, when the dust settled to reveal the Big Ten’s teamwide recruiting rankings split along divisional lines. The entire top half of the conference’s rankings belonged to the East, the bottom half to the West.

Those numbers are skewed somewhat by smaller classes at Wisconsin, Iowa and Nebraska. Recruiting rankings are based partly on quantity, and the free COVID year will lead some programs to take smaller classes for the time being, then hit the portal on the back end to make up the difference. Nevertheless, it’s just the most extreme example of a consistent trend.

In the eight full recruiting cycles since the Big Ten’s first post-realignment season, 2014, the East has never accounted for fewer than four of the conference’s top seven recruiting classes. Five of those eight years (including this one), that number has been five or better. One of the years the East only had four of the top seven, it still had five of the top eight.

Consistently, the same schools have showed up at the top of those rankings — Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, etc. Results on the field have followed results in recruiting. Since realignment, the East has won all eight Big Ten championship games. The average margin of victory in that time: 20 points. Three times in those eight years, you could make a credible case the West champion would’ve been a playoff contender had it won the game.

Like it or not, that is the chief currency in college football right now, which means it is the most valuable currency in college sports. Playoff participation is the surest way to pull up a seat at the big boys’ table, and from a Big Ten perspective, the East dominates it. Since the Playoff’s inception in 2014, a team from the East has finished in the top 12 — not an assurance but a good baseline for potential participation in New Year’s Six bowls — of the final rankings 19 times. Nineteen. For the West, that number is four.

Players celebrate winning the Big Ten Championship against Iowa Hawkeyes on Saturday, Dec. 5, 2021, during the Big Ten championship game at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.


The result is a conference whose ambitions have become as lopsided as its divisions. Too often, the Big Ten’s best teams are forced to spend the season beating up on one another while the conference waits and hopes one rises above the fray with a legitimate playoff resume. It’s an unnecessary risk. The SEC, the conference the Big Ten would like to consider its closest (perhaps only) peer, has never missed a playoff. Twice, including this year, it has landed multiple teams in the field. The Big Ten can say neither of those things, and it’s worth noting, via the admittedly small sample size of eight years, that the two times the SEC put multiple teams in the national semifinals, they came from opposite divisions.

Not that this topic hasn’t come up. Repeatedly, in conference-wide media settings first with Jim Delany and more recently with Kevin Warren, Delany’s successor as commissioner, the question of reexamining divisions has been raised. And the reply is always been some version of the same answer: The conference is good with what it has. Which begs a more fundamental question: Should it be?

The East-West alignment is easy. It’s geographically clean, and only requires the Big Ten to protect one rivalry (IU-Purdue), making scheduling easier. But all of us in the media, including yours truly, who mocked the conceit of the “Legends” and “Leaders” divisions ignored that the distribution of power was much more even: Iowa, Michigan and Michigan State on one side, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State on the other.

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Now, the conference is top heavy, and it’s not putting its best foot forward as a result. What else might work?

Warren has suggested expansion is not on the Big Ten’s list of priorities at present, but if the conference ever got to 16 teams, a pod-like alignment would be interesting. Four groups of four, giving each Big Ten team three dedicated opponents to preserve rivalries and break up power monopolies. If the league stayed with a nine-game schedule, it could split the remaining 20 games against non-pod opponents over three seasons home and away, with one home and one road game lopped off the end to make the numbers work. It would be even cleaner if the conference went back to eight games: three dedicated opponents every year, and then the other 10, home and away, played across a four-year cycle, with five non-pod conference games each year.

Assuming the Big Ten stays at 14, North-South might be a better split, perhaps trading the Michigan schools to the North for Purdue and Illinois to the South. That would put Ohio State and Penn State on one side, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa and Wisconsin on the other. It wouldn’t be perfect, and there would still need to be some built-in rivalry protection, but it would at least redistribute the conference’s most-powerful brands to some degree. This is, of course, entirely speculation. The conference has shown little appetite for a second post-expansion realignment. It is increasingly clear the Big Ten is comfortable with its present condition, regardless of its flaws.
Is this guy an IU guy? If so can someone ask them why they can’t beat Minnesota or northwestern?
 
Is this guy an IU guy? If so can someone ask them why they can’t beat Minnesota or northwestern?
That is Zach the Hack, the guy who wrote the memorable piece in the IU Star about how cfb fell in love with Rev. Coach Leo and the loosiers in 2020.

He has another Hack special up on the IU Star,


Despite brutal 2021, Tom Allen won on signing day, and is winning in transfer portal​

 
Actually I think both realignment and expansion would be beneficial - if we add the right schools. IMHO that would be Mizzou and Colorado. Doing both realigning and adding CO & MO:

Southeast Division: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Purdue, IU, Illinois and Mizzou.

Northwest Division: Michigan, Mich St, Minny, Wisky, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern and Colorado.

Crossover games for IL-NW and OSU -Mich. Divisions might sound a little strange but if you look on a map, they are logical. FYI both Colorado-Nebraska and Illinois-Mizzou had good football rivalries a few years ago. Also note that the BTN would gain some robust TV markets.
 
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Non issue. This is stolen from a premie poster...

Big Ten West's record v. the east.

2019 10-11
2020 10-10
2021 10-11
Consider the author...as big of a fraud as the "program" that he covers.

Just mere months ago he was waxing poetic about Indinia legitimately being good and now a factor in the East.

The rankings are skewed as well...I could not care less what Maryland's class is ranked...or Rutgers...neither would be any more relevant in the B1G West, and, neither would Indinia...Indinia is going to such regardless of what division they are in....the mere fact that this clown is whining yet again about something, namely realignment, is ridiculous...if OSU or UM or PSU wanted to complain...it might be worth listening to...but they don't, because they are actually legitimate programs and up to a challenge...unlike Indinia, who would litereally schedule 6 non-conference home games each year against the Idaho's of the world if they were able to do so.

Just wait...with the agreement/alliance with the ACC and Pac-12, Indinia is screwed even more in that they actually have to play credible non-conference opponents...they won't just go winless in the conference now, they will go winless altogether.

Better solution for Osterman and those clowns...quit b!thcing about realignment and just leave the conference and join the MAC...that is where that program belongs...and, frankly, it would even struggle there.
 
That is Zach the Hack, the guy who wrote the memorable piece in the IU Star about how cfb fell in love with Rev. Coach Leo and the loosiers in 2020.

He has another Hack special up on the IU Star,


Despite brutal 2021, Tom Allen won on signing day, and is winning in transfer portal​

You nailed it, and, you have been on him a long time (accurately)...dude is a hack-and-a-half...complete clown...as big of a fraud as the Indinia program that he covers.
 
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Signing day latest example Big Ten's East-West divisions are too lopsided, need a rethink​

Since realignment, the East has won all eight Big Ten championship games. The average margin of victory in that time: 20 points.​

Zach Osterman
Indianapolis Star

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Years ago, on the eve of the Big Ten’s move to an east-west divisional alignment, an IU coach told me the Hoosiers were excited at the prospect.
This ran against the widely held belief among his fans, that the move would further cement the program’s ceiling, forcing Indiana to play Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Michigan State every season while in-state rival Purdue got off relatively easier. Going into the East, fans said then, was a hammer blow to IU’s burgeoning football ambitions.
Said coach disagreed. The East, they said, was where the real action in the Big Ten would be. Playing in the East would allow IU to offer players a chance to face the conference’s best teams, in its biggest, most impressive venues, year after year. There was little more than a potentially softer schedule to recommend the West.

The intimation was clear: The East was the big ticket. Eight years later, little has happened to dispel that notion, creating an imbalance the conference needs to address — even if it doesn’t want to.
That divide felt enormously pronounced on Wednesday, when the dust settled to reveal the Big Ten’s teamwide recruiting rankings split along divisional lines. The entire top half of the conference’s rankings belonged to the East, the bottom half to the West.

Those numbers are skewed somewhat by smaller classes at Wisconsin, Iowa and Nebraska. Recruiting rankings are based partly on quantity, and the free COVID year will lead some programs to take smaller classes for the time being, then hit the portal on the back end to make up the difference. Nevertheless, it’s just the most extreme example of a consistent trend.

In the eight full recruiting cycles since the Big Ten’s first post-realignment season, 2014, the East has never accounted for fewer than four of the conference’s top seven recruiting classes. Five of those eight years (including this one), that number has been five or better. One of the years the East only had four of the top seven, it still had five of the top eight.

Consistently, the same schools have showed up at the top of those rankings — Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, etc. Results on the field have followed results in recruiting. Since realignment, the East has won all eight Big Ten championship games. The average margin of victory in that time: 20 points. Three times in those eight years, you could make a credible case the West champion would’ve been a playoff contender had it won the game.

Like it or not, that is the chief currency in college football right now, which means it is the most valuable currency in college sports. Playoff participation is the surest way to pull up a seat at the big boys’ table, and from a Big Ten perspective, the East dominates it. Since the Playoff’s inception in 2014, a team from the East has finished in the top 12 — not an assurance but a good baseline for potential participation in New Year’s Six bowls — of the final rankings 19 times. Nineteen. For the West, that number is four.

Players celebrate winning the Big Ten Championship against Iowa Hawkeyes on Saturday, Dec. 5, 2021, during the Big Ten championship game at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis.


The result is a conference whose ambitions have become as lopsided as its divisions. Too often, the Big Ten’s best teams are forced to spend the season beating up on one another while the conference waits and hopes one rises above the fray with a legitimate playoff resume. It’s an unnecessary risk. The SEC, the conference the Big Ten would like to consider its closest (perhaps only) peer, has never missed a playoff. Twice, including this year, it has landed multiple teams in the field. The Big Ten can say neither of those things, and it’s worth noting, via the admittedly small sample size of eight years, that the two times the SEC put multiple teams in the national semifinals, they came from opposite divisions.

Not that this topic hasn’t come up. Repeatedly, in conference-wide media settings first with Jim Delany and more recently with Kevin Warren, Delany’s successor as commissioner, the question of reexamining divisions has been raised. And the reply is always been some version of the same answer: The conference is good with what it has. Which begs a more fundamental question: Should it be?

The East-West alignment is easy. It’s geographically clean, and only requires the Big Ten to protect one rivalry (IU-Purdue), making scheduling easier. But all of us in the media, including yours truly, who mocked the conceit of the “Legends” and “Leaders” divisions ignored that the distribution of power was much more even: Iowa, Michigan and Michigan State on one side, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State on the other.

FGqSHVGXwAgvZV9



Now, the conference is top heavy, and it’s not putting its best foot forward as a result. What else might work?

Warren has suggested expansion is not on the Big Ten’s list of priorities at present, but if the conference ever got to 16 teams, a pod-like alignment would be interesting. Four groups of four, giving each Big Ten team three dedicated opponents to preserve rivalries and break up power monopolies. If the league stayed with a nine-game schedule, it could split the remaining 20 games against non-pod opponents over three seasons home and away, with one home and one road game lopped off the end to make the numbers work. It would be even cleaner if the conference went back to eight games: three dedicated opponents every year, and then the other 10, home and away, played across a four-year cycle, with five non-pod conference games each year.

Assuming the Big Ten stays at 14, North-South might be a better split, perhaps trading the Michigan schools to the North for Purdue and Illinois to the South. That would put Ohio State and Penn State on one side, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa and Wisconsin on the other. It wouldn’t be perfect, and there would still need to be some built-in rivalry protection, but it would at least redistribute the conference’s most-powerful brands to some degree. This is, of course, entirely speculation. The conference has shown little appetite for a second post-expansion realignment. It is increasingly clear the Big Ten is comfortable with its present condition, regardless of its flaws.
And what happens when the West “rebounds”? There are good teams in the West and they are getting stronger. Can’t play whack a mole by keep adjusting.
 
Actually I think both realignment and expansion would be beneficial - if we add the right schools. IMHO that would be Mizzou and Colorado. Doing both realigning and adding CO & MO:

Southeast Division: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Purdue, IU, Illinois and Mizzou.

Northwest Division: Michigan, Mich St, Minny, Wisky, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern and Colorado.

Crossover games for IL-NW and OSU -Mich. Divisions might sound a little strange but if you look on a map, they are logical. FYI both Colorado-Nebraska and Illinois-Mizzou had good football rivalries a few years ago. Also note that the BTN would gain some robust TV markets.
This is insane and is not going to happen. Mizzou is not leaving the SEC. Colorado is not leaving the PAC-12 either.
 
Going to 16 teams seems to be the best way if you wish to go to the four pods idea. Only choices most likely would be stealing Kansas and Iowa St. or Kansas St. to get there. One could also go to 18 and split it North/South instead of East/West and the B1G would mirror the SEC's model! 4th team possibilities could be then Missouri, the Domers, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, Virginia, etc.
 
This is insane and is not going to happen. Mizzou is not leaving the SEC. Colorado is not leaving the PAC-12 either.
Yes and that's why I've always liked the idea of the Big looking at lower conferences and then using their strength and power to help build the programs up to full Big standards. I've always thought CSU would be interesting option if that route was looked at and then maybe another east coast or maybe southern school of similar stature that is interested in moving up to balance things out.

You increase your footprint and TV markets. You don't upset the alliance member conferences and it would show you are the real power conference by showing you can take a program and raise them instead of needing an established school to come and make you better.
 
Yes and that's why I've always liked the idea of the Big looking at lower conferences and then using their strength and power to help build the programs up to full Big standards. I've always thought CSU would be interesting option if that route was looked at and then maybe another east coast or maybe southern school of similar stature that is interested in moving up to balance things out.

You increase your footprint and TV markets. You don't upset the alliance member conferences and it would show you are the real power conference by showing you can take a program and raise them instead of needing an established school to come and make you better.
Seriously, none of the schools you’re looking at adding move the needle in terms viewership or fanbases. All they’re going to do is water down the payouts to existing BIG members.

Your idea of “raising them” is not smart. If you can get a school like Notre Dame you take them. If you can get Texas you take them. The schools you mentioned add nothing to the BIG.
 
Actually I think both realignment and expansion would be beneficial - if we add the right schools. IMHO that would be Mizzou and Colorado. Doing both realigning and adding CO & MO:

Southeast Division: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Purdue, IU, Illinois and Mizzou.

Northwest Division: Michigan, Mich St, Minny, Wisky, Iowa, Nebraska, Northwestern and Colorado.

Crossover games for IL-NW and OSU -Mich. Divisions might sound a little strange but if you look on a map, they are logical. FYI both Colorado-Nebraska and Illinois-Mizzou had good football rivalries a few years ago. Also note that the BTN would gain some robust TV markets.
Why in the world would we want Mizzou? They bring absolutely nothing to the table. If you think they bring St Louis or Kansas City markets, think again. I've never understood the folks clamoring for adding that university to the B1G.

Same goes for Colorado. Denver is a pro market. They don't bring anything in basketball and their football program isn't that great.
 
This is insane and is not going to happen. Mizzou is not leaving the SEC. Colorado is not leaving the PAC-12 either.
There is dissatisfaction with many fans at Colorado about their current P-12 conference affiliation:

Buffs leave P-12?

More Buffs leave P-12?

Mizzou reportedly is adamantly against Texas Joining the SEC:

“As for Missouri, many can understand why there is a motivation to vote Texas/Oklahoma out of their new home. Getting away from UT very well could have been the reason the Tigers jumped to the SEC in favor of the Big 12.”

Mizzou no like Texas

Colorado would bring the Denver DMA (Nielsen Rank 17) and Colorado Springs DMA (NR 89) and Grand junction (NR 185) for a total of about 2 million TV homes.

Mizzou would bring the DMAs of St. Louis (NR21), Columbia (NR138), Kansas City (NR31) and several small fry DMAs in Missouri for about 2.5 million TV homes

Nielsen DMAs

I realize that the B1G thumbed their noses at Mizzou during the expansion ten years ago. I also know that Colorado was eager to join the Pac-12 back then. But the conference landscape changed since that time. For various reasons, both schools are not the happiest of campers in their new leagues. I think the B1G should take another look at both schools and both schools should take another look at the B1G.
 
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Mizzou makes sense.

Colorado doesnt. Adding another doormat?
Neither makes sense. Why would existing BIG members vote to add either of these schools when they would REDUCE current member payouts? It’s insanity. It’s not going to happen.
 
Neither makes sense. Why would existing BIG members vote to add either of these schools when they would REDUCE current member payouts? It’s insanity. It’s not going to happen.
We only added Rutgers for TV $$$. We’d do the same for Colorado in a heartbeat.
 
We only added Rutgers for TV $$$. We’d do the same for Colorado in a heartbeat.
No we wouldn’t because the TV money isn’t there in Colorado. Rutgers added a population center in NJ and access to NY viewership. Big $$$$. Colorado doesn’t bring anything close to that.
 
Neither makes sense. Why would existing BIG members vote to add either of these schools when they would REDUCE current member payouts?
They would increase current member payouts, not reduce them. It would also extend the footprint of the conference for national broadcasts e.g. ABC, CBS, and thereby enhance the appeal of B1G games for those venues. There is no logic that supports expansion into those robust TV markets would result in reduced revenue. You're just making up crap.
 
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Some of you missed the mark. The B1G will only take academic and consortium type AAU schools. Research money is where it’s at. The B1G is the richest conference still in that regard. The standards aren’t going to change.
 
They would increase current member payouts, not reduce them. It would also extend the footprint of the conference for national broadcasts e.g. ABC, CBS, and thereby enhance the appeal of B1G games for those venues. There is no logic that supports expansion into robust TV markets redulting in reduced revenue.
I’m sorry, but you’re full of it.

This year, the BIG members will make $769M in TV revenue.

$769M/14 members = $54.93M/member school

Let’s say you add another school.

$769M/15 members = $51.27M/member school

So, in order to make it worthwhile to add a school like like Colorado, Colorado would have to generate at least $54.93M in incremental revenue just to have existing members break even. They would not be able to do that with their alumni base and TV markets.
 
So, in order to make it worthwhile to add a school like like Colorado, Colorado would have to generate at least $54.93M in incremental revenue just to have existing members break even. They would not be able to do that with their alumni base and TV markets.
If the B1G added Colorado and Mizzou, the SEC and the Pac-12 lose those DMAs and their fan bases and the appeal of those games in national broadcasts. Mizzou fans are then watching the Tigers on ESPN (B1G) and the BTN, not ESPN (SEC) and the SECN.

Similarly, Colorado fans are now watching the Buffs on ESPN (B1G) and the BTN, not ESPN (P-12) and the financial disaster P-12 Network. Do you understand the difference?
 
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If the B1G added Colorado and Mizzou, the SEC and the Pac-12 lose those DMAs and their fan bases and the appeal of those games in national broadcasts. Mizzou fans are now watching the Tigers on ESPN (B1G) and the BTN, not ESPN (SEC) and the SECN.

Similarly, Colorado fans are now watching the Buffs on ESPN (B1G) and the BTN, not ESPN (P-12) and the financial disaster P-12 Network. Do you understand the difference?
You just can’t grasp it, can you? Colorado doesn’t bring $55M+ in annual TV revenue by themselves. Therefore, adding them to the BIG reduces current member payouts. They don’t have enough viewership to warrant adding them to the BIG. With Mizzou, it’s marginal at best. That’s part of the reason why the BIG didn’t take them the last two times it expanded. Not to mention, they don’t fit as a top-level research school and their academics are below BIG standards. At least Nebraska brought a football brand name and an ardent, huge fanbase.
 
You just can’t grasp it, can you? Colorado doesn’t bring $55M+ in annual TV revenue by themselves. Therefore, adding them to the BIG reduces current member payouts. They don’t have enough viewership to warrant adding them to the BIG. With Mizzou, it’s marginal at best. That’s part of the reason why the BIG didn’t take them the last two times it expanded. Not to mention, they don’t fit as a top-level research school and their academics are below BIG standards. At least Nebraska brought a football brand name and an ardent, huge fanbase.
It’s more of the latter. Nebraska was an AAU school. They where kicked out by a technicality. Their med school was a satellite campus. There are no school on any of the above lists we will take. I think the B1G, ACC, PAC 12 all stay intact and box out the SEC. I think the B1G network contract is up in 2023. If a move is in the works they would be doing soon.
 
You just can’t grasp it, can you? Colorado doesn’t bring $55M+ in annual TV revenue by themselves. Therefore, adding them to the BIG reduces current member payouts. They don’t have enough viewership to warrant adding them to the BIG. With Mizzou, it’s marginal at best. That’s part of the reason why the BIG didn’t take them the last two times it expanded. Not to mention, they don’t fit as a top-level research school and their academics are below BIG standards. At least Nebraska brought a football brand name and an ardent, huge fanbase.
Colorado (2M) and Mizzou (2.5M) each bring more TV households that the entire population of Nebraska (1.7M) which includes women, infants and children. Nebraska DMAs don't quite reach 0.5 M TV households for the entire state. That would be one fourth of Colorado's TV households and one fifth of Mizzou's.
 
Colorado (2M) and Mizzou (2.5M) each bring more TV households that the entire population of Nebraska (1.7M) which includes women, infants and children. Nebraska DMAs don't quite reach 0.5 M TV households for the entire state. That would be one fourth of Colorado's TV households and one fifth of Mizzou's.
Colorado is a small school with a smaller alumni base. Colorado has trouble drawing 35K for their football games. Nebraska has had 4 straight losing seasons under Frost and still draw 75-80K fans per game. Nebraska football is basically their only sports team of note. Pretty much everyone in Nebraska follows the Huskers. Colorado’s big draws are the Broncos, Rockies, Nuggets, and Avalanche. Not the Buffaloes.
 
Colorado has trouble drawing 35K for their football games.
Stop lying.


DateTimeOpponentSiteTVResultAttendance
September 37:00 p.m.Northern Colorado*P12NW 35–744,153
September 111:30 p.m.vs. No. 5 Texas A&M*FOXL 7–1061,203
September 1811:00 a.m.Minnesota*
  • Folsom Field
  • Boulder, CO
P12NL 0–3047,482
September 258:30 p.m.at Arizona StateESPNUL 13–3544,803
October 212:00 p.m.USC
  • Folsom Field
  • Boulder, CO
P12NL 14–3748,197
October 161:30 p.m.Arizona
  • Folsom Field
  • Boulder, CO
P12NW 34–049,806
October 231:30 p.m.at CaliforniaP12NL 3–2636,264
October 301:30 p.m.at No. 7 OregonFOXL 29–5251,449
November 65:00 p.m.Oregon State
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  • Folsom Field
  • Boulder, CO
P12NW 37–34 2OT47,984
November 137:00 p.m.at UCLAP12NL 20–4436,573
November 201:00 p.m.Washington
  • Folsom Field
  • Boulder, CO
P12NW 20–1741,284
November 262:00 p.m.at No. 19 UtahFOXL 13–2851,538
  • *Non-conference game
  • dagger
    Homecoming
  • Rankings from 2021 Poll released prior to the game
  • All times are in Mountain time
 
To pull in Colorado or Mizzou, you have to make sure that the cable carriers in state force the BTN on to standard cable packages. If they do, thats half the battle. The other half is dealing with cord cutters.

Either makes sense from a traditional cable perspective. Both suck ass as added schools.

ND is the best add we could get but it wont happen. ACC schools arent going to happen for a decade.
 
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To pull in Colorado or Mizzou, you have to make sure that the cable carriers in state force the BTN on to standard cable packages. If they do, thats half the battle. The other half is dealing with cord cutters.

Either makes sense from a traditional cable perspective. Both suck ass as added schools.

ND is the best add we could get but it wont happen. ACC schools arent going to happen for a decade.
Agreed. Only schools like Notre Dame and Texas really move the needle for new adds. Mizzou and Colorado don’t. Texas has already been plucked by the SEC.
 
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