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According to several news sources, Eli Lilly in a statement said “Given this new law (abortion law), we will be forced to plan for more employment growth outside of Indiana”. This may hurt Purdue. Pharmacy grads: what are your thoughts?
 
According to several news sources, Eli Lilly in a statement said “Given this new law (abortion law), we will be forced to plan for more employment growth outside of Indiana”. This may hurt Purdue. Pharmacy grads: what are your thoughts?
Don’t let the door hit em in the on the way out.
How manny pharmacy grads work for Lilly in research or production?
There will still be a demand for pharmacists in Indiana.
 
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Yes, because it is so difficult to travel to Illinois from Indiana for anything.

Not like people aren't going there all the time now just to smoke some weed.
 
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Why are women so weak?

Don't let a man ejaculate into your vagina.

Its not hard. Wear a condom. Take the pill.

Quit using abortion as birth control.
Isn’t this what your wife should have done when she was assaulted?
 
So you just want to point to one instance while attempting to shame someone as tge justification of using abortion on demand as birth control instead of asking women to be proactive prior to having sex.
No. Just pointing out what a hypocrite he is. I mean if his wife would have just kept her legs shut when she was being assaulted or had him slip a condom on first then she wouldn’t have needed an abortion right?

Also, thanks for admitting to your misogyny. If only the woman just took full responsibility while letting the men skate. But tell me again this all isn’t about control.
 
Eli Lilly announced in Spring, 2022 that they would be spending 2.1 billion (“Lilly plans to invest 2.1 billion in new manufacturing sites in Indiana” https:/investor.Lilly.com). They are now indicating that they will look at spending that money in other states. The question is how will this affect Purdue - tax monies, internships, jobs, NIL, et al. Please try NOT to derail thread by bringing in other issues not related to the question. Thank you!
 
Eli Lilly announced in Spring, 2022 that they would be spending 2.1 billion (“Lilly plans to invest 2.1 billion in new manufacturing sites in Indiana” https:/investor.Lilly.com). They are now indicating that they will look at spending that money in other states. The question is how will this affect Purdue - tax monies, internships, jobs, NIL, et al. Please try NOT to derail thread by bringing in other issues not related to the question. Thank you!
You brought abortion into it in your OP. what were you expecting?
 
Eli Lilly announced in Spring, 2022 that they would be spending 2.1 billion (“Lilly plans to invest 2.1 billion in new manufacturing sites in Indiana” https:/investor.Lilly.com). They are now indicating that they will look at spending that money in other states. The question is how will this affect Purdue - tax monies, internships, jobs, NIL, et al. Please try NOT to derail thread by bringing in other issues not related to the question. Thank you!
Sorry, Beth. Didn’t mean to contribute to the derailment. I just couldn’t let that statement from couch slide on by though.

As for Lilly, I doubt it has that much of an impact. It’s been shown many times over that it’s hard to keep graduates of Indiana universities in-state. Most don’t want to stay here for various reasons. This new law probably won’t help, but I’m guessing it’s not going to be that impactful. Corporations will do whatever to help their bottom line first and foremost.

I think the real tell will be when a college student ends up pregnant (because it will happen) and what those ramifications are. And it’s not just her, but the guy who impregnated her (contrary to the misogynists on here) who may not have the resources to just hop over to Illinois, for instance, to have a procedure. I just find it weird that the same folks who are anti-mandate of any kind are fine with mandating that a woman or a couple bears a burden they weren’t or aren’t ready physically, financially or emotionally, for.
 
Sorry, Beth. Didn’t mean to contribute to the derailment. I just couldn’t let that statement from couch slide on by though.

As for Lilly, I doubt it has that much of an impact. It’s been shown many times over that it’s hard to keep graduates of Indiana universities in-state. Most don’t want to stay here for various reasons. This new law probably won’t help, but I’m guessing it’s not going to be that impactful. Corporations will do whatever to help their bottom line first and foremost.

I think the real tell will be when a college student ends up pregnant (because it will happen) and what those ramifications are. And it’s not just her, but the guy who impregnated her (contrary to the misogynists on here) who may not have the resources to just hop over to Illinois, for instance, to have a procedure. I just find it weird that the same folks who are anti-mandate of any kind are fine with mandating that a woman or a couple bears a burden they weren’t or aren’t ready physically, financially or emotionally, for.

If there had been some common sense around abortion restrictions prior to Dobbs, it may not have gotten this far. The fact is, abortion was being used as a means of birth control for too high of a percentage of cases, specifically when you look at how many women (% of abortion cases) have had multiple abortions. If the abuse could have been stopped, maybe there would be a sense of compromise. But when advocates kept wanting to take away any restrictions (late term abortion), it cemented the radical positions of both sides.

And for the record, for those who claim the responsibility is only on the side of the woman for getting pregnant, your views are worse than those who support abortion...
 
Eli Lilly announced in Spring, 2022 that they would be spending 2.1 billion (“Lilly plans to invest 2.1 billion in new manufacturing sites in Indiana” https:/investor.Lilly.com). They are now indicating that they will look at spending that money in other states. The question is how will this affect Purdue - tax monies, internships, jobs, NIL, et al. Please try NOT to derail thread by bringing in other issues not related to the question. Thank you!

Puhlease. You put a less than subtle jab out there in your original post and now you're blaming others for derailing your thread? Give me a break...pathetic.
 
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If there had been some common sense around abortion restrictions prior to Dobbs, it may not have gotten this far. The fact is, abortion was being used as a means of birth control for too high of a percentage of cases, specifically when you look at how many women (% of abortion cases) have had multiple abortions. If the abuse could have been stopped, maybe there would be a sense of compromise. But when advocates kept wanting to take away any restrictions (late term abortion), it cemented the radical positions of both sides.

And for the record, for those who claim the responsibility is only on the side of the woman for getting pregnant, your views are worse than those who support abortion...
You lost me with your late term abortion take. Those weren’t legal anyway and only occur for medical emergencies. No one is going in at 7 months and saying “yeah, no thanks”.
 
Sorry, Beth. Didn’t mean to contribute to the derailment. I just couldn’t let that statement from couch slide on by though.

As for Lilly, I doubt it has that much of an impact. It’s been shown many times over that it’s hard to keep graduates of Indiana universities in-state. Most don’t want to stay here for various reasons. This new law probably won’t help, but I’m guessing it’s not going to be that impactful. Corporations will do whatever to help their bottom line first and foremost.

I think the real tell will be when a college student ends up pregnant (because it will happen) and what those ramifications are. And it’s not just her, but the guy who impregnated her (contrary to the misogynists on here) who may not have the resources to just hop over to Illinois, for instance, to have a procedure. I just find it weird that the same folks who are anti-mandate of any kind are fine with mandating that a woman or a couple bears a burden they weren’t or aren’t ready physically, financially or emotionally, for.
Thanks for your comments. For Purdue, I think it is at least a pharmacy selling point to have a very reputable pharmaceutical company that has been in the state for 145 years. In addition they employ over 10,000 people so I think losing the jobs that would have been created with the 2 billion investment will hurt all the public Indiana universities in terms of money received from the state. I was hoping for some wealthy Purdue grad working for Lilly to help fund NIL😉
 
Cummins just took a similar stance.

Should Holcomb take away Lilly's tax breaks for publicly opposing the new law?
Thanks for your comments. I also saw that Cummins had taken a similar stance. Actually thought Cummins was a bit stronger in their statement. I think threatening large companies with removing tax breaks could be dangerous especially when they have a plan for investing a lot of cash in more manufacturing sites with many new jobs. Lilly has a large amount of cash on hand at this time for investment.
 
Thanks for your comments. For Purdue, I think it is at least a pharmacy selling point to have a very reputable pharmaceutical company that has been in the state for 145 years. In addition they employ over 10,000 people so I think losing the jobs that would have been created with the 2 billion investment will hurt all the public Indiana universities in terms of money received from the state. I was hoping for some wealthy Purdue grad working for Lilly to help fund NIL😉
Time will tell for sure. I just don’t typically trust corporate America so while I applaud their statements, I wish they had said something before the bill was signed into law (and maybe they did and I missed it). I also think it’s potentially less impactful because a lot of folks can work remotely these days. And I’m with you on the NIL thing lol
 
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You lost me with your late term abortion take. Those weren’t legal anyway and only occur for medical emergencies. No one is going in at 7 months and saying “yeah, no thanks”.

That's not what was said in this bill that was supported by 49 Democratic senators. Essentially this bill stated that if you were deemed to have "psychological and emotional" health issues, your doctor could essentially provide cover for a late term abortion. And don't sit there and say that healthcare providers wouldn't abuse this interpretation of the law...

"The legislation would have also given way for the providers to perform the procedure without a "prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health." Additionally, the bill states "in interpreting the provisions of this Act, a court shall liberally construe such provisions to effectuate the purposes of the Act.""

"When Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., introduced the measure earlier this month, he assured reporters during a press conference that the patient’s "health" includes psychological and emotional health, similar to that offered in Doe v. Bolton, a companion case to Roe v. Wade."

 
According to several news sources, Eli Lilly in a statement said “Given this new law (abortion law), we will be forced to plan for more employment growth outside of Indiana”. This may hurt Purdue. Pharmacy grads: what are your thoughts?
haha bow to your corporate overlord! Might hurt Cialis sales. Doubt they give a rip about you.
 
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Time will tell for sure. I just don’t typically trust corporate America so while I applaud their statements, I wish they had said something before the bill was signed into law (and maybe they did and I missed it). I also think it’s potentially less impactful because a lot of folks can work remotely these days. And I’m with you on the NIL thing lol
There was a statement from Eli Lilly that they had expressed their concerns to the legislators and the governor before the law was passed and before the governor signed it. I would like to know what was actually said or texted or emailed. I suspect that they employ lobbyists who would have communicated their concerns as well. I don’t know about Cummins as I have not seen any information at all. I also wondered if they might have communicated their concerns to the Purdue School of Pharmacy.
 
Thanks for your comments. I also saw that Cummins had taken a similar stance. Actually thought Cummins was a bit stronger in their statement. I think threatening large companies with removing tax breaks could be dangerous especially when they have a plan for investing a lot of cash in more manufacturing sites with many new jobs. Lilly has a large amount of cash on hand at this time for investment.
I like Cummins statement.

How the value and embrace differences. Right until you disagree with them, then you can take a hike.
 
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How can Cummins take that stance? After all, it is Cummins that got this debate going to where it is at today.
Think about it! I'm here all week. Don't forget to tip the wait staff. :D

As for Lily, more population = more customers ~ 4 decades from now. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face! Yes, it can hurt Indiana with jobs, but it hurts Eli Lilly to not want to have all the Children possible. If CEO David Ricks didn't approve that public statement, then he should be firing the person that did.
 
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How can Cummins take that stance? After all, it is Cummins that got this debate going to where it is at today.
Think about it! I'm here all week. Don't forget to tip the wait staff. :D

As for Lily, more population = more customers ~ 4 decades from now. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face! Yes, it can hurt Indiana with jobs, but it hurts Eli Lilly to not want to have all the Children possible. If CEO David Ricks didn't approve that public statement, then he should be firing the person that did.
I would be very surprised if the CEO of the company did not approve of the statement before it was issued. There are lots of diseases and illnesses that could use a drug to help the problem. I am not sure everyone having lots and lots of children is the best strategy for a pharmaceutical company. But I don’t really know.
The perception of Indiana may well have changed with the passage of this law which may impact hiring but I don’t really know. Certainly Eli Lilly and Cummins believe it will. I do think it will affect one of the prestigious and strongest schools at Purdue but in what ways? Sometimes these things have very unexpected consequences as well.
 
I for one believe it is best for any and all companies to stay on the sidelines of Neutral when it comes to politics. Why make 1/2 of America not like you and your product one way or another. Getting woke hurts the brand from the inside out. Your employees lose respect for leadership, 1/2 the population who studies what they want to buy will remember these decisions. Having a Neutral position does no harm to the brand, the employees and the city/county/state.
Maybe I should be a CEO. Give me stock options, 7 figures and I’ll show you how to make money the Swiss way. Neutral!!!
 
According to several news sources, Eli Lilly in a statement said “Given this new law (abortion law), we will be forced to plan for more employment growth outside of Indiana”. This may hurt Purdue. Pharmacy grads: what are your thoughts?
Maybe they’ll move to CA or Illinois…or not.

i wonder what Democrat hotbed they will move their HQs to or build a new facility? Somewhere like CA, ILL, NY, nope. NE, doubt it. Portland? Seattle? AZ, NV…no water.

🤔. Ok. Minneapolis. Or Delaware.

Seems like giving a week vacation and paid expenses to another state to get an abortion would be the simple solution that other companies are offering…but obviously I must not be seeing this thru the correct lens.
 
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I for one believe it is best for any and all companies to stay on the sidelines of Neutral when it comes to politics. Why make 1/2 of America not like you and your product one way or another. Getting woke hurts the brand from the inside out. Your employees lose respect for leadership, 1/2 the population who studies what they want to buy will remember these decisions. Having a Neutral position does no harm to the brand, the employees and the city/county/state.
Maybe I should be a CEO. Give me stock options, 7 figures and I’ll show you how to make money the Swiss way. Neutral!!!
I think they must see this as possibly hurting the company. They indicate in the article that it will hurt the company because of the effect on the talent pool for new hires. As of 2020 more than 60% of pharmacy graduates are women so a neutral position may not be a way forward for a pharmaceutical company. Pharmaceutical companies need really good researchers to produce and test new drugs. Would a young woman who is graduating with a pharmacy degree in 2024 prefer to work in a state without an abortion law which is very restrictive? One could also ask this question about a young woman who is choosing a school for a degree in pharmacy which brings us back to the question of the effect on Purdue. The talent pool for high-level, talented students to attend Purdue may shrink which in the long term would really hurt the School of Pharmacy.

An interesting read on women in pharmacy: https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/...ution-of-women-s-role-in-us-pharmacy-practice
 
I think they must see this as possibly hurting the company. They indicate in the article that it will hurt the company because of the effect on the talent pool for new hires. As of 2020 more than 60% of pharmacy graduates are women so a neutral position may not be a way forward for a pharmaceutical company. Pharmaceutical companies need really good researchers to produce and test new drugs. Would a young woman who is graduating with a pharmacy degree in 2024 prefer to work in a state without an abortion law which is very restrictive? One could also ask this question about a young woman who is choosing a school for a degree in pharmacy which brings us back to the question of the effect on Purdue. The talent pool for high-level, talented students to attend Purdue may shrink which in the long term would really hurt the School of Pharmacy.

An interesting read on women in pharmacy: https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/...ution-of-women-s-role-in-us-pharmacy-practice
Do all young women plan on getting abortions? One would think that pharmacists would be smart enough to know how to not have unwanted pregnancies to begin with
 
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Would a young woman who is graduating with a pharmacy degree in 2024 prefer to work in a state without an abortion law which is very restrictive? One could also ask this question about a young woman who is choosing a school for a degree in pharmacy which brings us back to the question of the effect on Purdue. The talent pool for high-level, talented students to attend Purdue may shrink which in the long term would really hurt the School of Pharmacy.

An interesting read on women in pharmacy: https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/...ution-of-women-s-role-in-us-pharmacy-practice
So college age ladies from Indiana (and males) going in to Pharmacy are going to choose UICU because Illinois offers abortions instead of going to Purdue (and pay the out of state fees…again, just in case they need an abortion, versus choosing Purdue and driving to CU if they get pregnant).

I don’t see that happening, but maybe I don’t see a need to have a readily available Abortion option in every town. Just my 2 cents. But I guess there is someone who may need two or three while in college and, and they just might make that a priority.

I drove 90 miles to make sure my dad got a better option when he had heart surgery versus having it done in Tippecanoe Co, so maybe I look at the world differently.
 
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I think there is a misunderstanding about the abortion law in Indiana. I don’t think young women are thinking about getting a future abortion. I think they are more likely to be thinking about an ectopic pregnancy or sepsis or other condition where a medical abortion is necessary to save the woman’s life. My understanding is that the newly passed law has language that might prevent an MD from performing a necessary medical abortion. The doctor who performed the abortion on the 10 year old child was threatened by Attorney General Rokita. Her family and 10 year old child was threatened. The doctor had to hire an attorney who sent a “cease and desist” order to Rokita. And this was BEFORE the new restrictive law! I can understand not wanting to live in a state where your life is at risk from a problem in your pregnancy. I would bet that it is a rare woman who does not have a friend or relative who has experienced a problem - minor or major- in a pregnancy. A lot of men appear to take pregnancy for granted.
 
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I think there is a misunderstanding about the abortion law in Indiana. I don’t think young women are thinking about getting a future abortion. I think they are more likely to be thinking about an ectopic pregnancy or sepsis or other condition where a medical abortion is necessary to save the woman’s life. My understanding is that the newly passed law has language that might prevent an MD from performing a necessary medical abortion. The doctor who performed the abortion on the 10 year old child was threatened by Attorney General Rokita. Her family and 10 year old child was threatened. The doctor had to hire an attorney who sent a “cease and desist” order to Rokita. And this was BEFORE the new restrictive law! I can understand not wanting to live in a state where your life is at risk from a problem in your pregnancy. I would bet that it is a rare woman who does not have a friend or relative who has experienced a problem - minor or major- in a pregnancy. A lot of men appear to take pregnancy for granted.
Do we even know what a man is anymore?
 
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I would be very surprised if the CEO of the company did not approve of the statement before it was issued. There are lots of diseases and illnesses that could use a drug to help the problem. I am not sure everyone having lots and lots of children is the best strategy for a pharmaceutical company. But I don’t really know.
The perception of Indiana may well have changed with the passage of this law which may impact hiring but I don’t really know. Certainly Eli Lilly and Cummins believe it will. I do think it will affect one of the prestigious and strongest schools at Purdue but in what ways? Sometimes these things have very unexpected consequences as well.
Lilly and Cummins aren't moving anywhere. The tax implications of moving to a blue state would be significantly more harmful than staying in Indiana.
 
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I think there is a misunderstanding about the abortion law in Indiana. I don’t think young women are thinking about getting a future abortion. I think they are more likely to be thinking about an ectopic pregnancy or sepsis or other condition where a medical abortion is necessary to save the woman’s life. My understanding is that the newly passed law has language that might prevent an MD from performing a necessary medical abortion. The doctor who performed the abortion on the 10 year old child was threatened by Attorney General Rokita. Her family and 10 year old child was threatened. The doctor had to hire an attorney who sent a “cease and desist” order to Rokita. And this was BEFORE the new restrictive law! I can understand not wanting to live in a state where your life is at risk from a problem in your pregnancy. I would bet that it is a rare woman who does not have a friend or relative who has experienced a problem - minor or major- in a pregnancy. A lot of men appear to take pregnancy for granted.
Have you read the bill? If not, you may want to. It has provisions for the health of a mother. It has provisions for rape and incest that address the 10 year old rape situation. The fear mongering from the left is nothing but that...

"Makes changes to when an abortion may be performed, including when: (1) the abortion is necessary to prevent any serious health risk of the pregnant woman or to save the pregnant woman's life; (2) the fetus is diagnosed with a lethal fetal anomaly; or (3) the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest. Specifies time frames and conditions that must be met in order for the abortion to be performed. Provides that the statute requiring consent of a parent or legal guardian for a minor's abortion does not apply to a minor who is pregnant as a result of rape or incest by a parent, legal guardian, or custodian of the unemancipated minor."
 
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Have you read the bill? If not, you may want to. It has provisions for the health of a mother. It has provisions for rape and incest that address the 10 year old rape situation. The fear mongering from the left is nothing but that...

"Makes changes to when an abortion may be performed, including when: (1) the abortion is necessary to prevent any serious health risk of the pregnant woman or to save the pregnant woman's life; (2) the fetus is diagnosed with a lethal fetal anomaly; or (3) the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest. Specifies time frames and conditions that must be met in order for the abortion to be performed. Provides that the statute requiring consent of a parent or legal guardian for a minor's abortion does not apply to a minor who is pregnant as a result of rape or incest by a parent, legal guardian, or custodian of the unemancipated minor."
Yes, I read the law. You did not include the part that states that abortions must be performed in hospitals and the part that except in the cases of rape or incest, it must be performed before 10 weeks.
Is Eli Lilly a fear mongering, left wing company? I did not know that. I am not the one who is fearful that the talent pool will shrink and that women might not want to work in a state with what is considered a very restrictive abortion law. I am just trying to explain the reasoning of the people in charge of that left winged, fear mongering drug company, Eli Lilly.
 
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How can Cummins take that stance? After all, it is Cummins that got this debate going to where it is at today.
Think about it! I'm here all week. Don't forget to tip the wait staff. :D

As for Lily, more population = more customers ~ 4 decades from now. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face! Yes, it can hurt Indiana with jobs, but it hurts Eli Lilly to not want to have all the Children possible. If CEO David Ricks didn't approve that public statement, then he should be firing the person that did.
I honestly do not know what is behind the statement by Cummins as I know almost nothing about their products or anything else they do. I assume they see the new law as affecting their hiring but I don’t know anything why they think that. Does Cummins have any connections with Purdue? Do they hire engineers?
 
Yes, I read the law. You did not include the part that states that abortions must be performed in hospitals and the part that except in the cases of rape or incest, it must be performed before 10 weeks.
Is Eli Lilly a fear mongering, left wing company? I did not know that. I am not the one who is fearful that the talent pool will shrink and that women might not want to work in a state with what is considered a very restrictive abortion law. I am just trying to explain the reasoning of the people in charge of that left winged, fear mongering drug company, Eli Lilly.
The way I read the based on articles, the 10 week exception applies to rape/incest. 20 weeks if abnormalities and anytime the mothers life is endangered, which I would expect a woman to be at a hospital under that scenario.

The new law provides exceptions for when the life of the mother is at risk and for fatal fetal anomalies, up to 20 weeks post-fertilization. It also allows exceptions for some abortions if the pregnancy was a result of rape or incest. It will go into effect on September 15.

 
I honestly do not know what is behind the statement by Cummins as I know almost nothing about their products or anything else they do. I assume they see the new law as affecting their hiring but I don’t know anything why they think that. Does Cummins have any connections with Purdue? Do they hire engineers?
Sorry Beth...that Cummins statement was Comedy Gold to me when I saw it and had to swing away. I know it is childish to many, but funny nonetheless. As for their products, they are a large player in the heavy duty Engines manufacturing, and yes, they hire Purdue Engineers. One of my friends throughout my college years was hired there back in '88.
 
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Sorry Beth...that Cummins statement was Comedy Gold to me when I saw it and had to swing away. I know it is childish to many, but funny nonetheless. As for their products, they are a large player in the heavy duty Engines manufacturing, and yes, they hire Purdue Engineers. One of my friends throughout my college years was hired there back in '88.
Thank you for the information on Cummins. I have no idea why it would affect their hiring. What kind of engineers do they hire and do women dominate that field? Would that affect Purdue in any manner?
 
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