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Zero downside to this... well, unless he doesn't come back.
Go find out where you need to improve, then come back and do just that.
Go find out where you need to improve, then come back and do just that.
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This. I wouldn't mind every player getting a 3rd party expert to review their game.
I've got to hope these kids have as good of heads on their shoulders as we think they do. With the high end kids coming out early this year and the limited number of spots in the draft rolling the dice when you're not close to ready is not in one's best interest. Unless you're a lotto pick you'd better get the piece of paper. It will help put food on the table and a roof over your head when some of the draft washouts are back home working at the carwash.
I would assume Haas will be doing this also?
I think it's a great thing especially if the player takes the feedback and it motivates them to get better. Imagine if CS, VE and IH all make significant strides in their games over the next 8 months and make themselves into NBA prospects. Would make for a very entertaining 16-17 season!!
I think it's a great thing especially if the player takes the feedback and it motivates them to get better. Imagine if CS, VE and IH all make significant strides in their games over the next 8 months and make themselves into NBA prospects. Would make for a very entertaining 16-17 season!!
I also think Vince Edwards will come back.
That said, I do think there's a downside to this, unless the NCAA has changed the rule that allows underclassmen to test the waters only once.
If Vince tests the waters now, that puts both him and the program in a tough spot this time next year. Same really with Swanigan.
That said, I do think there's a downside to this, unless the NCAA has changed the rule that allows underclassmen to test the waters only once.
If Vince tests the waters now, that puts both him and the program in a tough spot this time next year. Same really with Swanigan.
The NCAA has changed the rule, it is my understanding players can now do this up to 3 times
Well then maybe over signing isn't so bad now! How do you manage a team now when marginal players are declaring?
Hasheem Thabeet needs to be his case study of how a big man can bust if he doesn't get the proper amount of time to mature in college.
I agree about there being a chance that a team would take a chance on him, if he were to stay in the draft. From my understanding though, in order to keep NCAA eligibility he would have to remove himself from consideration before the draft. Therefore we wouldn't have to worry so much about a team "taking a chance" unless his evaluators determined it was probable.
Thanks for the info; I did not know that.
Then I say -- sure, go find out where you're at.
Haas may have gotten that evaluation at his tryout he did last summer though and may feel like it is a waste of his personal time to go through similar workouts and be told a similar outcome.
I believe Kentucky is having every single one of their players, walk-ons included, declare for the draft minus an agent (unless obviously they need one). It is a great tool for Calipari to have a professional give a totally unbiased opinion of a player and he can point to things he may have already mentioned to them about developing to get better. I would love if Painter had all his players do this unless there is a reason not to.
I agree until I realize these unbiased opinions are the same ones who drafted Adam Morrison, Okawakandi, Shawne Williams, and countless others.
You find out what feedback they get and what they are thinking. Be part of the process not an obstacle and you can figure out what you need to recruit. Every player that has any shot should do this from sophomore on up to learn where they stand and to be more comfortable with the process for whenever they are ready to try it for real.
I actually think it would be better if the players were selected for evaluation versus declaring. You get a group of scouts to preselect the top 50 or so underclass men and then give them this feedback. The way it is right now anyone can declare, right? I am just seeing 3-4 players a year from a P5 team starting to do this every year.
Again why are we so sure these scouts are the ones who should have the kids ears? Are we truly that naive?
Better than agents and uncle Jimmy. Scouts and GMs know a little. So explain to me why it is naive?
ya they may have to.
eventually if more and more guys declare, there won't be enough scouts, gm's, etc. to directly evaluate them - defeating the whole purpose.
Just because a player declares for the draft doesn't guarantee them a workout with a team or participation in the combine. Both of those are by invitation only. There are going to be some of these guys that are going to get some very rude feedback because they won't even be invited to participate in the whole process.
I'm not saying this will be the case with CS or VE, just pointing out that just because a bunch of guys declare doesn't mean all of them will even get an invite to participate.
The invite only is a great tool. If you aren't invited to the combine or any workouts, it is pretty clear where you stand in regards to the draft, no matter what an agent and family members/friends may say.
Unfortunately, without better PG play, we'll be in a similar situation as this year
I have to disagree. The larger issue wasn't guard play as Thompson and Hill played well enough in most games to win ball games. The games where Purdue lost was due to a whole team inability to relieve full court pressure, turnovers, and an inability to stretch a team out by hitting three point shots and the wings inability to get in the lane were the problems.
Johnny, you hit the nail on the head with your comment. Breaking the press is not just a PG issue. It is a whole team ability. You don't need to be a super atlete or a Jerry Scistine type guard to break it. The TEAM must recognise and react, wiith each player taking responsibility to get open for whoever is getting trapped. This is not a PJ or PG issue.
Johnny, you hit the nail on the head with your comment. Breaking the press is not just a PG issue. It is a whole team ability. You don't need to be a super atlete or a Jerry Scistine type guard to break it. The TEAM must recognise and react, wiith each player taking responsibility to get open for whoever is getting trapped. This is not a PJ or PG issue.
this plus like someone in a thread earlier this week said, you have to make them pay for pressing by breaking it and scoring easy baskets.
many times coach would have them slow it down and set the offense after breaking the press. no penalty for the opposing team for pressing. why wouldn't you press
I agree that I think PG was the scapegoat of the year.
If you look at our losses, there are typically multiple red flags.
vs. Michigan for example...
Vince Edwards went 1-9. AJ was only 4-11 and only had 4 rebounds. We were out rebounded that game for the first time in the season - to a team that's not that great of a rebounding team. We only had 9 turnovers. We shot 50% from 3.
Obviously a big red flag from that game was that we were out rebounded by an average rebounding team and was the first time we had been out rebounded. That's probably the culprit in this game - if we had an average rebounding game by our standards, we win.
vs. Iowa in Iowa City...
Our PG, PJ, was our second leading scorer with 16 points (providing offense). However, AJ only had 3 made baskets in the entire game. And Hammons, Haas and Swanigan combined to have 5 made baskets in the entire game! That's certainly not a recipe for success for us. Our free throw percentage that game was also 53%.
So again, if our big guys were more efficient/involved, would we have lost? Probably not. We weren't in sync offensively - and not just because of guard play.
Yes, would it have been great to have an amazing PG, but it doesn't just solve all problems. Look at Providence - they had one of the best in the country and didn't make much noise come tournament time. Every team has strengths and weaknesses. And almost every team out there has a SIGNIFICANT one otherwise we wouldn't see as much parody as you do. Our biggest strength was our inside game - yet in multiple losses our inside game was MIA. You can't discount that.
one thing I regret not seeing this past season was that J. Taylor didn't get some PT when our Bigs weren't into it during some games. I think in the long run it would have helped Taylor's game for the upcoming seasons.
Yes. Teams do have those ups and downs at various positions from game to game. I agree that point was pretty good most of the time. I am going to get roasted for this but I felt that RD was a major problem on offense. No where near as good as the previous season and I was anticipating that senior bump. Maybe it was the knee? (Having said that I would not trade him for anything because he is a fantastic young man from all accounts). We struggled in certain game situations and the teams that recognized it and could force us there beat us. Gotta fix those situations.
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