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GBI just retweeted this as DraftExpress just came out with new rankings this morning. Swanigan in the top 100 but not within the top 60 which is how many draft spots there are if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't mean that he wouldn't get drafted as the further down these lists you go, it's hard to say how different teams would evaluate these players.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/3/

I'm sure he'll declare and go through the process again. It would be foolish not to. But if you are him and if this is still the feedback you get at season's end, what would you do? Obviously none of us ARE Caleb Swanigan so we don't know all his circumstances but I would stay if the best likely scenario for me was MAYBE to sneak in at the end of the second round of the draft which, even if he does, doesn't guarantee him anything significant in terms of guaranteed money or making a roster.

One factor that would influence my decision, outside of the draft projections, is the fact that Purdue should return every starter and consistent contributor from an already-decent team this season which would mean that I don't worry about lack of support making me look worse next season. If anything, another year with pretty much the same exact team should make everyone look better and probably earn a big spotlight for the team and its players.

Another factor is if I could complete my degree in the 3rd year which many players seem to be able to accomplish. I know some people don't think this is a big deal and that he could just come back and complete it later but I see value in having it so it would influence me anyway.
 
It surprises me every year, but the first US upper-classman is predicted at the 29th pick.
 
TC4THREE said:
GBI just retweeted this as DraftExpress just came out with new rankings this morning. Swanigan in the top 100 but not within the top 60 which is how many draft spots there are if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't mean that he wouldn't get drafted as the further down these lists you go, it's hard to say how different teams would evaluate these players.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/3/

I'm sure he'll declare and go through the process again. It would be foolish not to. But if you are him and if this is still the feedback you get at season's end, what would you do? Obviously none of us ARE Caleb Swanigan so we don't know all his circumstances but I would stay if the best likely scenario for me was MAYBE to sneak in at the end of the second round of the draft which, even if he does, doesn't guarantee him anything significant in terms of guaranteed money or making a roster.

One factor that would influence my decision, outside of the draft projections, is the fact that Purdue should return every starter and consistent contributor from an already-decent team this season which would mean that I don't worry about lack of support making me look worse next season. If anything, another year with pretty much the same exact team should make everyone look better and probably earn a big spotlight for the team and its players.

Another factor is if I could complete my degree in the 3rd year which many players seem to be able to accomplish. I know some people don't think this is a big deal and that he could just come back and complete it later but I see value in having it so it would influence me anyway.
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I've been saying on here for some time now that he comes back next year, which I think he will. I think he wins NPOY next year if he does. His stock will rise this year if he does well in the NCAAT & Purdue advances far.
 
There isn't any way Swanigan doesn't get drafted this year.

These sites don't know squat. Would be interesting to see how well their top 100 lists and mocks match up to actual drafts and actual success in the league.

If we go at least 12-6 I think he's a shoe in for POTY in the conference.
 
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There isn't any way Swanigan doesn't get drafted this year.

These sites don't know squat. Would be interesting to see how well their top 100 lists and mocks match up to actual drafts and actual success in the league.

If we go at least 12-6 I think he's a shoe in for POTY in the conference.
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He will get drafted, but he's probably a boarder line 1st round pick. NBA teams see weakness that they know will translate to the NBA. All we as Purdue fans see is double doubles & how he dominates weaker teams. If you look how he played against Nova & L'Ville when he went against bigger more athletic 4's, he didn't fare as well.
 
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boilerzz said:
He gone.

The NBA is expanding rosters this year from 15 to 17 so he is in good shape to make a roster. I think he's drafted in the top half of the 2nd round and will use that as yet another chip on his shoulder.
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Most second rounders end up in the D-League. I think he's smarter than that.
 
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He gone.

The NBA is expanding rosters this year from 15 to 17 so he is in good shape to make a roster. I think he's drafted in the top half of the 2nd round and will use that as yet another chip on his shoulder.
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Didn't know they were expanding rosters. That would seem to bode well for 2nd round picks in the 2017 draft.
 
boilerzz said:
He gone.

The NBA is expanding rosters this year from 15 to 17 so he is in good shape to make a roster. I think he's drafted in the top half of the 2nd round and will use that as yet another chip on his shoulder.
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wow I didn't realize that.
that's a pretty large increase and looks for many guys.

just loosely comparing/thinking of AJH, I'd have to think someone will take a decent chance on CS also regardless of initial projections.
(AJHs skill set plus 'questionable motor' vs CSs skill set and through the roof motor/work ethic).
 
I personally think he really wanted to leave last year and it took much convincing to get him to return. I think he would have been gone if he knew he would have gotten drafted, even in the 2nd round. I also don't think another year in college would improve his draft stock significantly because he is already so good at the college level. I'm not sure Hammons improved his draft stock much the last year or two he was at Purdue. He probably would have been a 2nd rounder after his freshman year. But it probably helped him from a maturity standpoint.

Bottom line: I think he's gone unless he has a desire to make a Final Four run or get some really special personal awards and accomplishments next year.
 
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Did you miss the part of my post where I said they were expanding rosters to 17?
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No.... but expanding the rosters doesn't mean more playing time. In fact, I'm guessing that will hurt salaries & will not change the fact that they will end up in the D-league. Most players at the end of the bench in the NBA are rotated from D-League to NBA & back. I'm guessing that will still happen, but with even more players now.
 
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No.... but expanding the rosters doesn't mean more playing time. In fact, I'm guessing that will hurt salaries & will not change the fact that they will end up in the D-league. Most players at the end of the bench in the NBA are rotated from D-League to NBA & back. I'm guessing that will still happen, but with even more players now.
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If you want to talk playing time, you are changing the conversation. Of course playing time will be limited for the last several guys on the bench. I don't get the impression Biggie is concerned about that. He's a confident young man who has overcome every instance someone questioned him. I think he just wants to make a roster so he can do the same (in his opinion).

And I'm sure those guys will cycle to the D-league. But they are changing the contract format so they are NBA contracts with D-league playing time. So a guy like Biggie is much less at risk of being forced to sign a D-league contract and not getting all the benefits of being an NBA player. And with a mother who spent most of Biggie's formative years living in homeless shelters, I'm guessing that's appealing to Swanigan.
 
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I also don't think another year in college would improve his draft stock significantly because he is already so good at the college level. I'm not sure Hammons improved his draft stock much the last year or two he was at Purdue. He probably would have been a 2nd rounder after his freshman year.
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Disagree with all of this. Swanigan is an elite rebounder. Nothing else that he does is near NBA caliber in my estimation. His post offense is not so good when facing a longer, athletic player which pretty much everyone he faces in the NBA will be. He is not very good in making decisions with the basketball in his hands which is highlighted by the turnovers. He is also quite poor defensively. Every game in conference play the opposition has attempted to take it right at him and it has worked for the most part.

Will these deficiencies keep him from getting drafted? I don't know. He can improve some of those things by coming back another year but he can also improve them by working on them while getting paid for it if someone is willing to do that.

That leads me back to your comment about Hammons. I don't think he was ever in a position to get drafted. He was very good as a senior and barely got in and that got him some guaranteed money from the Mavs in spite of his draft position. Had Hammons left early, I doubt he'd have ever played in the NBA. At least he has this opportunity now. Hopefully he works hard and gets himself another contract but I think he put himself in the best position possible in regards to the NBA by staying four years.
 
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Disagree with all of this. Swanigan is an elite rebounder. Nothing else that he does is near NBA caliber in my estimation. His post offense is not so good when facing a longer, athletic player which pretty much everyone he faces in the NBA will be. He is not very good in making decisions with the basketball in his hands which is highlighted by the turnovers. He is also quite poor defensively. Every game in conference play the opposition has attempted to take it right at him and it has worked for the most part.

Will these deficiencies keep him from getting drafted? I don't know. He can improve some of those things by coming back another year but he can also improve them by working on them while getting paid for it if someone is willing to do that.

That leads me back to your comment about Hammons. I don't think he was ever in a position to get drafted. He was very good as a senior and barely got in and that got him some guaranteed money from the Mavs in spite of his draft position. Had Hammons left early, I doubt he'd have ever played in the NBA. At least he has this opportunity now. Hopefully he works hard and gets himself another contract but I think he put himself in the best position possible in regards to the NBA by staying four years.
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You can disagree all you want but what's your basis? You seem to think that a player improving some areas of his game will result in a big change in draft status. That is simply not true, which is why you get guys like Deyonta Davis getting drafted, even though he is clearly not ready, and other guys who improve their games dramatically each year but don't change their draft stock (i.e. Jordan Taylor). The NBA drafts on ceiling and potential, not on development. That's why Biggie's draft status won't change much regardless of when he comes out. He is never going to be a lottery pick.

Regarding Hammons, you seem to think he was never in a position to get drafted until his senior year. I believe that both nbadraft.net and draftexpress.com had him with 2nd round grades for his last 3 years at Purdue. Many draft analysts actually thought it hurt him to stay his senior season because of his age.
 
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You can disagree all you want but what's your basis? You seem to think that a player improving some areas of his game will result in a big change in draft status. That is simply not true, which is why you get guys like Deyonta Davis getting drafted, even though he is clearly not ready, and other guys who improve their games dramatically each year but don't change their draft stock (i.e. Jordan Taylor). The NBA drafts on ceiling and potential, not on development. That's why Biggie's draft status won't change much regardless of when he comes out. He is never going to be a lottery pick.

Regarding Hammons, you seem to think he was never in a position to get drafted until his senior year. I believe that both nbadraft.net and draftexpress.com had him with 2nd round grades for his last 3 years at Purdue. Many draft analysts actually thought it hurt him to stay his senior season because of his age.
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I don't think Swanigan will jump into the lottery. I just don't think leaving when you may not even get drafted is not generally a good idea. Actually, I think it's a terrible idea for most even if you are only going to get drafted in the 2nd round.

I don't ever remember seeing much on Hammons that convinced me it was a good idea for him to turn pro. You seem to think that a draft projection that possibly shows him as a late 2nd rounder is evidence he should've gone whereas I see it as evidence there is no way in hell he should've gone. There's no question he was a significantly better player as a senior than he was as a sophomore. We can speculate all day long on if he'd have been drafted after his sophomore year but I think it's pretty clear he was never going to be a first-rounder no matter what. By staying four years, he still got drafted in the 2nd round and ended up with some guaranteed money. Had he gone after his sophomore year, I very much doubt he'd have stuck even if he had been drafted as a second rounder and I also doubt he'd have received any guaranteed money. I think it was a no-brainer, good decision for him personally.

If Swanigan works on closing some of the gaping holes in his game he may not work himself into the first round but he might put himself in a better position to be able to stick when he does get there. Kind of like E'twaun.
 
Draymond Green was 2nd round (35th pick). Swanigan can work into a draymond game in my opinion, someone will take a stab on him even it's late in the 2nd round. Caleb is only 19, plenty of time to develop his body and game.
 
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You can disagree all you want but what's your basis? You seem to think that a player improving some areas of his game will result in a big change in draft status. That is simply not true, which is why you get guys like Deyonta Davis getting drafted, even though he is clearly not ready, and other guys who improve their games dramatically each year but don't change their draft stock (i.e. Jordan Taylor). The NBA drafts on ceiling and potential, not on development. That's why Biggie's draft status won't change much regardless of when he comes out. He is never going to be a lottery pick.

Regarding Hammons, you seem to think he was never in a position to get drafted until his senior year. I believe that both nbadraft.net and draftexpress.com had him with 2nd round grades for his last 3 years at Purdue. Many draft analysts actually thought it hurt him to stay his senior season because of his age.
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Biggie is 19 and should be a college freshman. Heck he may not even be done growing at that age. His game and weaknesses will improve with time, as will his stock.
 
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If you need to know anything about anything just ask TC4THREE. How know everything about everything and if you disagree with his opinion then you could not be more wrong. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have found the answer to everything in life and it has been right here with is the whole time. Whew
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Dear lord please let Swanigan find his way back next year. Imagine returning this years entire starting lineup plus Haas and Cline?!
 
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If you need to know anything about anything just ask TC4THREE. How know everything about everything and if you disagree with his opinion then you could not be more wrong. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have found the answer to everything in life and it has been right here with is the whole time. Whew
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notjomg wrong with having a strong opinion and expressing it. You are being just a little hypocritical criticizing someone else for expressing theirs. I recommend avoiding such posts, but I Am guilty of the same myself.
 
TC4THREE said:
Disagree with all of this. Swanigan is an elite rebounder. Nothing else that he does is near NBA caliber in my estimation. His post offense is not so good when facing a longer, athletic player which pretty much everyone he faces in the NBA will be. He is not very good in making decisions with the basketball in his hands which is highlighted by the turnovers. He is also quite poor defensively. Every game in conference play the opposition has attempted to take it right at him and it has worked for the most part.

Will these deficiencies keep him from getting drafted? I don't know. He can improve some of those things by coming back another year but he can also improve them by working on them while getting paid for it if someone is willing to do that.

That leads me back to your comment about Hammons. I don't think he was ever in a position to get drafted. He was very good as a senior and barely got in and that got him some guaranteed money from the Mavs in spite of his draft position. Had Hammons left early, I doubt he'd have ever played in the NBA. At least he has this opportunity now. Hopefully he works hard and gets himself another contract but I think he put himself in the best position possible in regards to the NBA by staying four years.
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While I think this is pure entertainment at this point (who knows who ends up in the draft, who doesn't, etc.), keep in mind that while I didn't follow it super closely - it sounded like the NBA Combine made it pretty clear last year that Swanigan was not ready. I don't know if he's improved his game so much this year that it would change dramatically - I can't imagine he suddenly would be tearing up the combine.

He's definitely a unique situation giving his family background and his reclassification. I think the injury aspect is a tad overrated given the insurance policies players can get now. And I think the question is how high he can get (as others have stated, you don't necessarily see a lot of upperclassmen drafted highly - and obviously there's a lot of reasons for that).

One thing to keep in mind is that basically this entire team is back next year - at this point, I definitely do not see Haas/Edwards going anywhere either.
 
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