Deyonta Davis to the NBA, will hire agent
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this and missing Jackson is creating some holes for them to fit more recruits into. As it pertains to us, they'll be going hard for Jaren Jackson and Malik Williams.
Averaged 7.5 pts and 5.5 reb this year. An inch taller than Biggie but similar wingspan. Arguably less range on his jumper. Projected lottery pick.. Someone quick convince me there is a large gap between these two and that Biggie won't work his way into the first round at workouts or the combine.
Davis was/is the better athlete, but Swanigan the better player...I have questioned for a long time how he is projected as a lottery pick, as he was anything but impactful at MSU, and he was a total non-factor in the two games against Purdue, with Swanigan actually dominating him in the post in the individual match-up.
His projection is based on potential and athleticism certainly, but Swanigan's measurables are not far off of Davis', the most impressive of which is the wingspan...and Swanigan is a year younger, which is a bonus in his case.
Neither is ready to play in the NBA right now, never mind to make an impact, but hard to argue with the decision in Davis' case if he is projected to be a lottery pick...I just don't get the love for a guy that was not extremely productive or impressive (outside of his athleticism), and really don't get the difference in the evaluation of Davis vs Swanigan. Personally, I thought his decision was at least in part with consideration for the fact that he believed Josh Jackson was going to commit to MSU, and had he made the decision as Swanigan did without hiring an agent, it would have made more sense.
He may only be listed as an inch taller, but he gave Biggie all sorts of trouble on the defensive end. One of the areas where Biggie needs to improve from a tactical perspective is how to go against posts who are as tall or taller than him. He certainly won't be posting against smaller 4s in the league.
Due to athletic limitations, Biggie will need to develop an "old-man's game" similar to what ZBo, Boris Diaw, or David West do at the professional level. His outside shot also needs to improve, as there aren't many athletically limited 4s in the league who aren't a serious threat from range (think Maurice Speights). I have little doubt he'll improve enough to get drafted, but he's not there yet.
Biggie's problem is that he hasn't proven to have the lateral quickness and foot speed to guard well enough. Davis moves better than Biggie.
I do think once Biggie proves that, he should be good-to-go for the NBA. I think offensively, right now, he has a poor man's Zach Randolph game to him. With another off-season of improvement to sharpen his offensive skills (which are already very good), he could be better and better.
On a personal note, I hope we run the offense through Biggie next year provided he cuts down on turnovers. In the low block or the high post (as he is such a good mid-range shooter). My preference, but I wish he wouldn't shoot past 18 feet. I know he wants to prove he can hit those outside shots - and he can to a degree - I just think he is *SO* effective 18 feet and in, to stick with that.
With the exception of a critical late jump hook in the first match-up, my recollection is the opposite.
I'm convinced that the NBA would draft an athlete that fits a certain mold in the lottery even if he if he had never touched a basketball in his life. Skill is such a minimal part of the NBA game. The players that have skill and athleticism are the stars but the NBA has made the rules such that you can get by on athleticism with little skill but not vice versa.
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Deyonta Davis isn't NBA ready. One or two seasons of ineffectiveness, and boom, they're out of the league. Scouts put too much emphasis on potential and not enough on quality production with experience. It must be tough for these type of players to stay in school when they're told that their draft stock will drop if they stay in school for 2 or 3 more years. Maybe they need to be taught that "draft stock" and "rookie contracts" are overrated compared to bachelor (or maybe even masters) degrees.
Anyway, I guess this makes MSU a little less competitive, so it's good news on that front.
Anyway, I guess this makes MSU a little less competitive, so it's good news on that front.
If a player can get drafted in the first round, they are smart for leaving whether they last or not. I'm guessing not many of these guys are passing up an education worth more than their guaranteed rookie contracts are worth. That's not to mention that they can always return to school after they wash out of the league to complete their education if they are motivated to do that and they are still money ahead.
The NBA's problem is that they make it worth it for players to come in before they are ready. I'd love for the NBA to add one more year to their age requirement. I feel like the NBA loses very little by making players wait a year longer. You have more players coming into the league with a built-in fan base which is good for the league. Take AJ Hammons and myself for instance. I generally couldn't care less about the NBA. It's not excited and I feel like it's branded to less intelligent people. That said, if AJ Hammons gets drafted and is playing next year I might watch a few minutes of a game he is playing in if I happen to flip past it. You take all the college fans out there that might watch some NBA because of a school affiliation and you add much interest to your league.
Interesting. I'm looking at Davis' stats against Purdue and he averaged 7 points and 4 rebounds and had 1 block, 1 steal and 8 fouls in 36 minutes.
This is based upon both my recollection of Biggie's performance vs Davis in the post as well as Biggie's overall performance against players of equal to bigger size. I'm not inclined to search for video of their play against one another, though that would be more telling than stats, but I know I shook my head a few times in the stands when Biggie unsuccessfully attempted to score on Davis in the post.
My recollection was Biggie winning the battle in Mackey but Davis winning the battle in the Fieldhouse. But hey, it's been a few weeks, so hard telling if I remember correctly.
Entirely different players. Biggie is a below the rim player, while Deyonta Davis is not.
Davis' probably has much greater potential as a rim protector than Biggie, as well.
Yeah. I had a hard time finding much in the way of measurables (beyond height, weight, and wingspan) of either player. I'm sure those will come out at the combine and should show Davis to be more explosive. Just watching them play and seeing their body shapes you can already kind of see that. I wonder if there is also a reservation in the back of the mind of some scouts about Biggie possibly having a hard time not only getting those last few pounds of baby fat off but also maintaining his conditioning long-term. Ok, I'm starting to feel a little bit better..
Disagree. Skill is a huge part of the NBA game. By college standards, most NBA players have an abundance of skill, athleticism, and length.
I agree with this assessment 100%. Too many kids get into the NBA, and don't have the work ethic or drive to make a real run at it. Longevity in the NBA is never considered for those that jump early. It would be interesting to see statistics on how many 1&dones stay in the NBA past 2 seasons.
Yea, that's why they quit making people dribble the ball a couple decades ago and are now considering changing rules because a few people can't make 50% of their free throws. Way to emphasize skill!!
You bring up two valid issues with the NBA game, but your argument here seems to be about NBA rules as opposed to the overall skill level of players.
Given your disdain and implied ignorance (you don't watch games) of the NBA game, it's interesting that you have much of an opinion as to whether or where a player may be drafted. The playoffs start this weekend, so an educational opportunity swiftly approaches.
Agree but at the same time it's tough to pass on 20 million (is that still the 1st round rookie pay scale?). The NBA only cares about not missing out on a high potential player.
In the end it's up to an 18, 19, or 20 year old kid to decide. Good problem to have eh.
I tend to also look at this topic from the point of view of a college basketball fan, believing that the best thing for a player's development is staying in school until a player is ready for the NBA and trusting the college coach to responsibly develop the player's game. However, from an NBA perspective and perhaps even the perspective of the player, others believe that a player is better developed for the pro game by playing in the NBA or D league. Many agents and the like do not trust college coaches to develop players for their pro careers.
My understanding is that the 2016 rookie guaranteed scale is between 80 and 120% of $9.7m for the No. 1 pick and decreases to between 80 and 120% of $1.9m for the No. 30 pick. That guarantee is paid over 2 seasons with the next 2 years as a team option. Pretty significant money either way, BUT waiting if one has upward mobility certainly could have major financial consequences. It would be a pretty good choice to have to make though.
Here's the pay scale from last year.......(not the greatest formatting)
First round picks can sign for as much as 120% and as little as 80% of the rookie scale.
Columns are:
Pick
1st Year Salary
2nd Year Salary
3rd Year Option Salary
4th Year Option:
Percentage Increased Over 3rd Year Salary
Qualifying Offer:
Percentage Increase Over 4th Year Salary
1 $4,753,000 $4,966,800 $5,180,700 26.1% 30.0%
2 $4,252,600 $4,444,000 $4,635,300 26.2% 30.5%
3 $3,818,900 $3,990,700 $4,162,600 26.4% 31.2%
4 $3,443,100 $3,598,100 $3,753,000 26.5% 31.9%
5 $3,117,900 $3,258,200 $3,398,600 26.7% 32.6%
6 $2,831,900 $2,959,300 $3,086,800 26.8% 33.4%
7 $2,585,200 $2,701,500 $2,817,900 27.0% 34.1%
8 $2,368,300 $2,474,900 $2,581,500 27.2% 34.8%
9 $2,177,100 $2,275,000 $2,373,000 27.4% 35.5%
10 $2,068,100 $2,161,200 $2,254,200 27.5% 36.2%
11 $1,964,800 $2,053,200 $2,141,600 32.7% 36.9%
12 $1,866,500 $1,950,500 $2,034,500 37.8% 37.6%
13 $1,773,200 $1,853,000 $1,932,800 42.9% 38.3%
14 $1,684,600 $1,760,400 $1,836,200 48.1% 39.1%
15 $1,600,200 $1,672,200 $1,744,200 53.3% 39.8%
16 $1,520,300 $1,588,700 $1,657,100 53.4% 40.5%
17 $1,444,200 $1,509,200 $1,574,200 53.6% 41.2%
18 $1,372,000 $1,433,800 $1,495,500 53.8% 41.9%
19 $1,310,300 $1,369,200 $1,428,200 54.0% 42.6%
20 $1,257,800 $1,314,400 $1,371,000 54.2% 43.3%
21 $1,207,500 $1,261,800 $1,316,200 59.3% 44.1%
22 $1,159,300 $1,211,400 $1,263,600 64.5% 44.8%
23 $1,112,900 $1,163,000 $1,213,100 69.7% 45.5%
24 $1,068,400 $1,116,400 $1,164,500 74.9% 46.2%
25 $1,025,700 $1,071,800 $1,118,000 80.1% 46.9%
26 $991,600 $1,036,300 $1,080,900 80.3% 47.6%
27 $963,000 $1,006,400 $1,049,700 80.4% 48.3%
28 $957,200 $1,000,200 $1,043,300 80.5% 49.0%
29 $950,200 $992,900 $1,035,700 80.5% 50.0%
30 $943,300 $985,700 $1,028,200 80.5% 50.0%
As much fun as that sounds, I would sooner bring Robert Marve back to Purdue to be our quarterback next year than sit down night after night for the next two months and endure 2 hours of NBA-type-basketball in the hopes that maybe I'll get 2 minutes of drama at the end. I am not the NBA's target audience. They market to people who are more easily entertained. I'll let you guys get all excited that a guard can go coast to coast so quickly while dribbling the ball twice or that a 6'11" athletic guy can dunk even if he can't hit 50% of his free throws.
Silly college coaches worrying about things like winning games instead of making sure their 6'11 center develops his perimeter skills so he can impress NBA scouts. Has the world gone mad?
You really need to watch an NBA playoff game from this century, it's actually a much better game than college basketball. I really only watch college hoops when Purdue is playing.
At least watch one of the Warriors-Spurs games in May. If you aren't entertained by that, I would be stunned.
I would probably be able to tolerate a Warriors game because Curry is an unbelievably skilled shooter and I appreciate skill. His success is best thing to happen in the NBA in over 10 years. Finally uneducated, middle-aged men all of the country are drooling over something other than a 6'8" 250 lb prima donna being allowed to impose himself physically on everyone else. Probably still not enough for me to watch a live game but I do enjoy Curry highlights.
The last two champs, San Antonio and Golden State, both played (and continue to play) beautiful team basketball.
Both of those teams play much more entertaining offense than our beloved Boilers. The passing and shotmaking are a thing to behold.
So the two best teams in professional basketball are better than a top-20ish college program?!? One would hope...........
I agree, but I also think they are the exceptions. I used to be close to a NBA junkie, but even I can't tolerate a Sacramento/Phoenix tilt on NBA-TV or TNT anymore. And then you have teams like the Lakers and the 76ers, and Minnesota (who maybe has enough good young talent to turn things around) who are abysmal.
Too much TV $$$$ at stake now, but I would also like to see only 6 from each conference make it into the playoffs, and have 3/6 and 4/5 play a best-of-three round to get to the best of seven conference semi-final round. The playoff schedule is ridiculously long now. But hey, that just means more opportunities for "Shaqtin-a-Fool!"
I somewhat agree, in that isolation ball is big in the NBA, but it has pretty much become equally big in college.I agree, but I also think they are the exceptions. I used to be close to a NBA junkie, but even I can't tolerate a Sacramento/Phoenix tilt on NBA-TV or TNT anymore. And then you have teams like the Lakers and the 76ers, and Minnesota (who maybe has enough good young talent to turn things around) who are abysmal.
Too much TV $$$$ at stake now, but I would also like to see only 6 from each conference make it into the playoffs, and have 3/6 and 4/5 play a best-of-three round to get to the best of seven conference semi-final round. The playoff schedule is ridiculously long now. But hey, that just means more opportunities for "Shaqtin-a-Fool!"
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