Originally posted by pastorjoeboggs:
Originally posted by Purdue85:
Here's a thought... how about freedom of employment for the employee? If you don't like your employer's health plan, go find another d@mn job, Joe. There's no "forcing of employees to abide by the employer's beliefs", for g-d's sake. If they want to kill thier unborn baby, go do it, but where on earth was it written it must be paid for by a person's employer?
Your position is stunning, and you're being lukewarm, "pastor".
Are you of the opinion that a person who doesn't take exactly the same position as you is "lukewarm?" I don't see where my position is stunning - particularly since I didn't state my position at all. I merely asked a question.
Setting aside for the moment the moral side of the discussion, the issue is not as simple as you describe. Sure, in a perfect world with an infinite, or at least adequate, number of jobs that pay a living wage, telling someone to "go get another job" is a possibility. We don't live in a perfect world, though. You are suggesting that people should have to go hungry or, alternatively, go on unemployment if their employer will not provide "full healthcare."
In addition, it is at least a little disingenuous to suggest that the law requires employers to pay for "abortions," as though Hobby Lobby would be cutting a check to CVS for plan B. That's not the case - Hobby Lobby would be providing insurance that, in turn, would pay for it. That may be a semantic difference, but it is a difference.
Finally, there is the question of to what lengths we will go to to extend the same privilege to business owners of other faiths. That is a valid question. No matter how much you might like to, the Constitution will not allow the creation of laws that privilege Christianity over other faiths. If Christian businesses are allowed to not provide certain things because of their faith, so too will Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. Where is the line? If we are okay with a bakery saying, "I won't bake for your lesbian wedding, but I know another bakery who will," are we also okay with "I won't bake for your interracial wedding, but I know another baker who will?" And is it really that far from that to "I won't serve you in my restaurant because you are Muslim?"
Again, my point here is not that either side is entirely wrong. There are good and strong points on both sides of this issue. I would enjoy having a real discussion about them, but not if every response from you is going to be insulting and mocking.