D.J. Washington 6'4" OT Commits
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he's a 2 star, while Nebraska gets Rafdal, and Hutch decommits from the Ville and choose's to play for Fickell (yuck)
Neither one is exciting. After losing Robinson and Johnson, these seemed like lackluster additions and it ignores the defensive line while picking up some projects. Meanwhile, some of the other coaches that were recent hired seem to be recruiting better. We will be better next year because of the changes and I still have high hopes for the future. When you go after the guys other P5 schools want you will lose many battles. With more time, we will start to win some more of those battles.
not sure I want them both or either player. it's one thing to accept a mediocre juco player to plug a hole or add depth. it's another thing to sign a very mediocre player for a 4 year commitment. this recruiting class may be better than Hazell's, but to win in the BIG 10, we need to have a recruiting class that is better than our BIG 10 opponents. and signing 2* athletes especially to a position of depth (Dbs) is not the way to improving our success against other teams. What was Winfield's tweet as he left Purdue? pretty good visit, now onto WV. Going into the weekend, he was our top priority. and that was his comment?
We have so few scholarships left. I'd hate to use them on a player at a position of depth. I also hate to sign a bunch of 2* athletes when every other BIG 10 team is closing in on signing high 3 star and 4 star impact players. I'd rather have a class of 15 players and a bunch of walk-ons, than have a class of 25 players with 8-10 2 star players on it. As I've said before, the key to this recruiting class is not to have one that is better than Hazell's, but rather it is to have one better than our opponents.
and as for he's new, let's give him time, both IU and Minn have new coaches who have had less time, and are recruiting a better class.
What these two signings mean to me is that Brohm couldn't get commitments from the players he was really after, so he called up these two players and asked if they'd come and join us. Since the y both decommitted from WKU today to accept Brohm's offer, I have to believe he originally told them no and that we had no space for them.
yes, I'm extremely disappointed in both of these commitments, as I don't see either player being able to help us take our team to the next level. one of the reasons I liked Winfield was that he'd be gone after 1 year, and we could replace him with a 3/4 star next year. the same could be said of that grad transfer from Florida. he could fill a hole, and allow us to find a better player next year. But each of these players will be here for 4 years, and I don't project either player to ever be a starter.
As I look at our commitments, I see 8 two star players. yes, we got rid of a bunch of 2 star players, and we gained some better players. But so did every other team in the BIG 10. I don't see the recruiting actions of this weekend closing the gap between Purdue and our BIG 10 opponents. Four weeks ago, I though t we had a chance to go 6-6 with a chance to add a couple of 4 star players. Now I hope we can win 4 games. And I'm sorry, I don't believe in being a rah rah guy and saying let's wait and see and give him time. I call it like I see it both positive and negative.
I have nothing against any player signed. But I compare Purdue's recruiting not to our past, but to our opponents. Yes, we improved, but not as much as every other team. We're still 14th in the BIG 10. and rather than reaching to fill depth, I'd rather save the scholarships for next year and fill the positions with either jucos or walk-ons or grad transfers and reload next year than settle for building a mediocre team. .
We have so few scholarships left. I'd hate to use them on a player at a position of depth. I also hate to sign a bunch of 2* athletes when every other BIG 10 team is closing in on signing high 3 star and 4 star impact players. I'd rather have a class of 15 players and a bunch of walk-ons, than have a class of 25 players with 8-10 2 star players on it. As I've said before, the key to this recruiting class is not to have one that is better than Hazell's, but rather it is to have one better than our opponents.
and as for he's new, let's give him time, both IU and Minn have new coaches who have had less time, and are recruiting a better class.
What these two signings mean to me is that Brohm couldn't get commitments from the players he was really after, so he called up these two players and asked if they'd come and join us. Since the y both decommitted from WKU today to accept Brohm's offer, I have to believe he originally told them no and that we had no space for them.
yes, I'm extremely disappointed in both of these commitments, as I don't see either player being able to help us take our team to the next level. one of the reasons I liked Winfield was that he'd be gone after 1 year, and we could replace him with a 3/4 star next year. the same could be said of that grad transfer from Florida. he could fill a hole, and allow us to find a better player next year. But each of these players will be here for 4 years, and I don't project either player to ever be a starter.
As I look at our commitments, I see 8 two star players. yes, we got rid of a bunch of 2 star players, and we gained some better players. But so did every other team in the BIG 10. I don't see the recruiting actions of this weekend closing the gap between Purdue and our BIG 10 opponents. Four weeks ago, I though t we had a chance to go 6-6 with a chance to add a couple of 4 star players. Now I hope we can win 4 games. And I'm sorry, I don't believe in being a rah rah guy and saying let's wait and see and give him time. I call it like I see it both positive and negative.
I have nothing against any player signed. But I compare Purdue's recruiting not to our past, but to our opponents. Yes, we improved, but not as much as every other team. We're still 14th in the BIG 10. and rather than reaching to fill depth, I'd rather save the scholarships for next year and fill the positions with either jucos or walk-ons or grad transfers and reload next year than settle for building a mediocre team. .
additionally, if I was going to try to flip a WKU player , I would have not targeted either of these two players. I would have gone after Jones and Sharpe - two players who could help fill a void and have the potential to start. If brohm really wanted these two players, I have to believe the y would have both flipped the first week he came to Purdue. To flip them now, means we los t out o n several players brohm was recruiting. To sign these two players now means brohm isn't even trying to hold 1-2 scholarships open to players who will declare on signing day like Matthews and Harris. I will be extremely disappointed if we lose out on a Williams, Wright, Payton, or Matthews if we have n o scholarships left to offer. To use a new millennial's term: SMH !!
My thoughts as well. Brohm's recruiting has not impressed me, hopefully his on-field coaching is better. Hopefully this isn't where the slippery slopes start or I see a very dark future for Brohm and Purdue football, even compared to now.
Just last week Brohm said to Beach that he would be our last offensive lineman recruit. and then today when Cincy signs a high 3* DT Hutch, Brohm gets a commitment from another one of his old 2* WKU offensive linemen. I'm extremely disappointed in this use of a scholarship, and also being beaten out by Cincy for another quality recruit.
In the past week, while we've added 3* OL Beach, 2* OL Washington, 2/3 * Vico, and 2* DB Major, Cincy has received commits from 3/4 * LB White, high 3* DT Hutch and 4* DB Potts.
and it appears we lost out on 3* DT McDougle, 3* LB Jones, 3* RB Jordan 2* LB McWilliams, and 2* LB Jones.
While other teams are adding that last 3/4 star athlete, our weekend finishes wit h a whimper and going back to WKU and asking if anybody wants to come join us, and we get two takers. I'm not sure which disappoints me more, this recruiting weekend, or losing to Nebraska in basketball.
In the past week, while we've added 3* OL Beach, 2* OL Washington, 2/3 * Vico, and 2* DB Major, Cincy has received commits from 3/4 * LB White, high 3* DT Hutch and 4* DB Potts.
and it appears we lost out on 3* DT McDougle, 3* LB Jones, 3* RB Jordan 2* LB McWilliams, and 2* LB Jones.
While other teams are adding that last 3/4 star athlete, our weekend finishes wit h a whimper and going back to WKU and asking if anybody wants to come join us, and we get two takers. I'm not sure which disappoints me more, this recruiting weekend, or losing to Nebraska in basketball.
I know a lot of fans were expecting more from the last 3 weekends. I was hoping too. The last three weekends were a little underwhelming compared to what most were thinking it would be. However, no matter how energetic and personable a coach is, they are fighting a big battle with public perceptions of Purdue football at the present moment. Hope and Hazell set us back, and it is going to take time. I am really anxious to see what the next class will be, because he will have had sometime to go out there and repair school relationships. Plus, the new football center will be completed, and it will be easier for recruits to see where Purdue is headed. Who know, maybe we will get a nice surprise or two around or on signing day, like we used to get from Tiller. You can always hope!
those are the exact reasons I don't like these last two commits. If this was the best we could do, I would have rather saved these two scholarships and given them to a grad transfer and regrouped and had them available for next year.
Giving one to Major means Winfield turned us down before he even visited WV.
if we're going to add depth, who would I rather add ? WRs Wright or Payton? or DB Major? we go into the day needing and wanting a LB and DT and while waiting for their reply, we filled their scholarships with another OL and another DB. and at the end of the day we still need another DT and LB. I don't care what their stars were, we just added two players to positions we didn't need to add players.
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You can never have too many OL in the pipeline and I believe Major is a safety which PU needs a HS kid at unless you think Abrams stays there. Most project Abrams at LB
the signings contradict Brohm's words and actions. Brohm informed Beach that he would be his last recruit. Wasn't Williams or another commitment said to be picked to play safety? Neither commitment addresses our need at LB or DT.
There are a few LB'a Purdue is waiting word from.
I'm guessing the WKU guys that have not been offered couldn't get accepted to Purdue. Sharpe and Jones I believe are the names people are clamoring about.
A tweet from a grad transfer probably won't be nearly as emotional as it would be from a HS kid. Also, offering the new commit has nothing to do with Winfield. They are not tied together.
Brohm has said the OL and DL need numbers and continues to work on both. Adding a player from Ballard is never a bad thing.
Purdue has several players announcing on Wednesday and should get a couple of them plus a grad transfer or two. Two were on campus this weekend, including Winfield.
I'm guessing the WKU guys that have not been offered couldn't get accepted to Purdue. Sharpe and Jones I believe are the names people are clamoring about.
A tweet from a grad transfer probably won't be nearly as emotional as it would be from a HS kid. Also, offering the new commit has nothing to do with Winfield. They are not tied together.
Brohm has said the OL and DL need numbers and continues to work on both. Adding a player from Ballard is never a bad thing.
Purdue has several players announcing on Wednesday and should get a couple of them plus a grad transfer or two. Two were on campus this weekend, including Winfield.
Brohm never said Beach would be the last O lineman. The kid said something to that effect in an interview, take it with a grain of salt. Step off the ledge.
Yes, Williams is a safety but also a JUCO. Brohm is trying to balance classes with a kid he thinks can excel in his program. Neither you nor I know if this kid will pan out. What I can say is taking this kid fills a need that's part of a bigger plan.
Coach them up and get them in the weight room. I've got the same feelings with Cincy. Screw them. But the reality is that they are a better program than we are right now. Wolegib, I coached for years at the high school level and kids that I didn't think would make it as freshmen became our leaders and best players as seniors. I know that D1 football isn't high school but college recruiting involves 18-19 year old young men. Get them in here and coach them up.
When you win with what you can muster the first few years they will come and so will the fans.
I will reserve judgement for later. Brohm is trying to get his own guys in. He is already recruiting the state of Kentucky well, which is a positive thing. There are plenty of good programs there with good talent. Time will tell on these guys but they both come from very good programs at the highest level in the state.
And Cinncy is in a better place right now...even being a non-P5 program. Give the Head Coach time. He didn't step in to a program where there has a recent history of success. Remember, the kids coming in to Purdue haven't seen Purdue play in a bowl game since they were in middle school.
I'll give the head coach time, but if he comes put looking like Hazell incarnate. He will lose me.
Or Beach was the last Tackle they were going to take or something along those lines. And some of the OL did play DL too so keep that in mind
And that was the Pizza Bowl with Coach Hope yammering on at halftime about our chances of winning the national kickoff return title. Doubt that left much of an impression.
I read all your comments, and to me that is why Purdue has been so unsuccessful at winning games. It's a flawed philosophy and our fans have bought have bought into it. We need to change that philosophy and the successful teams have done so.
What am I talking about? I'm talking about player development and thinking long term. Purdue is constantly recruiting players, and spending the first year adding on weight. In the second year the player learns the position and provides depth. In the third year the player gets better and may start. But by their senior year is when we see them blossom and make an impact. Look at our wide receivers this year. They were great. But they only became great as seniors.
When you look at winning programs, they recruit guys who make an impact as freshen and become starters as sophomores and typically go pro after their junior years. Great programs usually don't have many seniors as star performers. There are always exceptions.
I'm not sad that Cronk went to IU. But I am annoyed he played a lot while our offensive lineman had to redshirt because they were not ready to play the game and had to beef up. To be successful, we need to STOP recruiting projects and START recruiting players who are ready and capable of playing from day one. DT Harris is one of those type of players. Db Major is not. How many years is it going to take Major before he becomes a starter? Essentially, we are giving him a 4 year scholarship to start one year - his senior year. I have the same philosophy about JuCo players. They should not need time to develop. And when recruited, they should be recruited with the intent they will start. When they arrive on campus, for most, their first season is their junior year. I hate to see juniors not starting, and just used to provide depth.
Look at Purdue basketball. They don't recruit players and then develop them and they start as seniors. They recruit players who can start and make an impact as freshmen. That's what our football team needs to do. We need to place more emphasis on recruiting players who are ready to make an immediate impact and less emphasis on recruiting projects and developing them in 2-3 years. Successful teams recruit already developed players. cronk and Knight both made huge impacts as freshmen. We need players at Purdue that can do that as well. We need players who hit the weight room before they arrived rather than red shirting their first year to do so.
What am I talking about? I'm talking about player development and thinking long term. Purdue is constantly recruiting players, and spending the first year adding on weight. In the second year the player learns the position and provides depth. In the third year the player gets better and may start. But by their senior year is when we see them blossom and make an impact. Look at our wide receivers this year. They were great. But they only became great as seniors.
When you look at winning programs, they recruit guys who make an impact as freshen and become starters as sophomores and typically go pro after their junior years. Great programs usually don't have many seniors as star performers. There are always exceptions.
I'm not sad that Cronk went to IU. But I am annoyed he played a lot while our offensive lineman had to redshirt because they were not ready to play the game and had to beef up. To be successful, we need to STOP recruiting projects and START recruiting players who are ready and capable of playing from day one. DT Harris is one of those type of players. Db Major is not. How many years is it going to take Major before he becomes a starter? Essentially, we are giving him a 4 year scholarship to start one year - his senior year. I have the same philosophy about JuCo players. They should not need time to develop. And when recruited, they should be recruited with the intent they will start. When they arrive on campus, for most, their first season is their junior year. I hate to see juniors not starting, and just used to provide depth.
Look at Purdue basketball. They don't recruit players and then develop them and they start as seniors. They recruit players who can start and make an impact as freshmen. That's what our football team needs to do. We need to place more emphasis on recruiting players who are ready to make an immediate impact and less emphasis on recruiting projects and developing them in 2-3 years. Successful teams recruit already developed players. cronk and Knight both made huge impacts as freshmen. We need players at Purdue that can do that as well. We need players who hit the weight room before they arrived rather than red shirting their first year to do so.
And yes it was Beach that said Brohm told him he would be our last OL recruit. Partly because Brohm can't talk about what he says to recruits. And I'm confident that's what Brohm informed Mixon and a reason Mixon didn't commit. These last two commitments look like a guy who struck out and said here, I have these last two tickets I can't sell, who wants them, and the two kids who were WKU commits said , if you're giving them away, I'll take one.
Wouldn't be surprised to see a late addition of a high quality 3 star or a 4 star added if the musical chairs starts to play today through Wednesday and Purdue looks attractive as a place to potentially start from day one.
What I'm saying is it looked like Brohm threw in the towel 2 days early. These last two additions could have been flipped on the eve before signing day. I still expect Brohm to bring a quality player or two to Purdue this week. But I don't want all our scholarships to be taken if there is a talented player who may become available. I saw wright committed today rather than wait and lose a potential scholarship to a WKU flip. We have 3-5 scholarships left to give out. Wright just took one. I am hoping Matthews and Williams each take one. That leaves at most 2 scholarships left to give and needs at LB and DT. That leaves guys like Payton on the outside looking in. And leaves guys like Winfield looking elsewhere. Purdue is not going to sign Winfield or Payton. over a LB recruit. And if they did, I would voice my concern.
Patience grasshopper. Our program is in a very deep hole. Brohm will have an electric offense that recruits will want to buy into.
I just don't want to looked unprepared. I want scrappy and ibtelligent, not unaware and deer in the headlights that Hazell always seemed to have.
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