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Are we not going to talk about what happened last night during the WWE ring entrance of Ted "Serial Killer" Cruz?

After that heel turn? When Trump's music hit and he came out and they just glared at each other?

I can;t wait for Wrestlemania...I think Pence is going to hit Cruz from behind with a chair during a Cruz-Trump face-off.
 
Are we not going to talk about what happened last night during the WWE ring entrance of Ted "Serial Killer" Cruz?

After that heel turn? When Trump's music hit and he came out and they just glared at each other?

I can;t wait for Wrestlemania...I think Pence is going to hit Cruz from behind with a chair during a Cruz-Trump face-off.
no one likes cruz and he got booed off the stage. Same thing would have happened to bernie if he didn't cave.
 
Stop the presses - I agree with both of these points. I just can't understand why the hell Trump and the RNC asked that dude on the stage in the first place.
me either and there's a rumor trump or trump's people read the speech ahead of time and let it go anyways...I guess they felt like there's no such thing as bad press?
 
Stop the presses - I agree with both of these points. I just can't understand why the hell Trump and the RNC asked that dude on the stage in the first place.
Couple of theories out there:

1. garden variety incompetence. Never let him on the stage unless his speech has an endorsement and that speech is released to the press beforehand.

2. Ignoring 1, because 1 is self-evident, some argue that Cruz did a bait and switch at least with the RNC. He gave them a different version than what he said, but no one anywhere has ever said Cruz ever gave anyone a version where he endorsed.

3. Trump, at some point realizing he wasn't going to endorse, decided to let him go on, and then timed his arrival for the part where he knew Cruz would be booed. Why? I don't know. Maybe he felt cutting out Cruz before he'd actually screwed him would look weak? Like he was afraid of Cruz. Because it's all alpha male with Trump.

Others have said that Trump actually like drama and conflict, he enjoys it and thinks it's good for him.

Whatever the reasons, he stepped right on what should have been his VP's night but was overshadowed by Cruz.

Three nights. Three less than successes. I suppose if he gives a killer speech it could be mostly compensated for...then again, he's writing his own speech and not showing it to anyone. My biggest fear has been that a great speechwriter would write him a killer speech and that he'd mostly follow it.

I appreciate him giving me one less thing to worry about.
 
In a way I think it could help both.
Cruz - next time he runs he can still claim he never supported trump.

Trump - with Cruz as the heel right now, it brings the party together more, rallies up the base group-think style.
McMahon taught him well.
 
Regarding Cruz being disliked: I was at a corporate event and heard Boehner call home "Lucifer incarnate" before that got big press coverage in primaries. As an aside: Cruz got a huge standing ovation when he first came out for his speech. So if he is so roundly disliked by Republican base - they sure faked it well at first.
 
Regarding Cruz being disliked: I was at a corporate event and heard Boehner call home "Lucifer incarnate" before that got big press coverage in primaries. As an aside: Cruz got a huge standing ovation when he first came out for his speech. So if he is so roundly disliked by Republican base - they sure faked it well at first.
Cruz has been roundly disliked for seemingly his entire life. His college roommate hates him, the college debate folks he was with hate him, his colleagues on both sides in the Senate hate him. He seems quite unlikeable just coming through the TV. Like a smarmy salesman who used to be a preacher and is selling you replacement parts for your vacuum cleaner while also trying to get you to convert.
 
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I agree on his smarminess, so no convincing required. Despite this, that sure looked and sounded like one of the most rousing welcomes given to any speaker this week. In addition, he is already getting press as 2020 front runner for GOP. It's a little bit chilling.

I spent a lot of time assuring my friends/colleagues abroad that their fears of Trump should be matched by similar fears of Cruz. A self-important "true believer" with no regard for anyone else is at least as dangerous as a bombastic vapid showman
 
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Regarding Cruz being disliked: I was at a corporate event and heard Boehner call home "Lucifer incarnate" before that got big press coverage in primaries. As an aside: Cruz got a huge standing ovation when he first came out for his speech. So if he is so roundly disliked by Republican base - they sure faked it well at first.
It's not an all-or-nothing thing. Cruz won a few states, and Cruz carried like 20% of the vote in a number of other states. There is a significant portion of the Party that supports him because there is a significant portion of the Party that is "tea party." That's not a majority. There are plenty of moderates/middle of the road guys in the "base" who don't support either Cruz or Trump, but they're forced to pretend like they do at this point. Others (Rubio, Bush, McCain, etc.) won't (and I applaud that!).
 
Regarding Cruz being disliked: I was at a corporate event and heard Boehner call home "Lucifer incarnate" before that got big press coverage in primaries. As an aside: Cruz got a huge standing ovation when he first came out for his speech. So if he is so roundly disliked by Republican base - they sure faked it well at first.
He is widely despised on the hill for his umm...theatrics?

The Establishment's only hope: Trump & me in a cage match.
Sorry to disappoint -- @realDonaldTrump is terrific. #DealWithIt
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) December 11, 2015
 
I agree on his smarminess, so no convincing required. Despite this, that sure looked and sounded like one of the most rousing welcomes given to any speaker this week. In addition, he is already getting press as 2020 front runner for GOP. It's a little bit chilling.

I spent a lot of time assuring my friends/colleagues abroad that their fears of Trump should be matched by similar fears of Cruz. A self-important "true believer" with no regard for anyone else is at least as dangerous as a bombastic vapid showman
I think though that's because the crowd at least thought "he's here, that must mean he's going to endorse Trump." Trump and some others may have known he wasn't but I think a good chunk of the crowd were surprised.

So he was cheered because they thought he'd been brought to heel so to speak IMO (and also because a significant minority supported him).
 
me either and there's a rumor trump or trump's people read the speech ahead of time and let it go anyways...I guess they felt like there's no such thing as bad press?

I don't get why they asked him given they have not had a positive relationship moving forward from the primary (i.e. the Clinton/Sanders camps worked for weeks together prior to just doing a campaign event together).

Obviously people knew in advance of the speech - they had to upload it to the teleprompter. But what are you going to do? Cruz was announced as speaking that night. If you remove him from speaking, it wouldn't be him volunteering to do so - so you can't make up some bogus reason cause he will immediate squash it. And it will make it look like sour grapes/controlling what people say on the Trump team (because nobody will know what the speech said). He would turn into a he said she said. However, by letting it happen - it probably turned out in Trump's favor at least within the base in this situation.

The bad part is obviously - nobody is talking about what was supposed to be the highlight of the evening, one of the two biggest events for a VP candidate (convention speech & debate).
 
I agree on his smarminess, so no convincing required. Despite this, that sure looked and sounded like one of the most rousing welcomes given to any speaker this week. In addition, he is already getting press as 2020 front runner for GOP. It's a little bit chilling.

I spent a lot of time assuring my friends/colleagues abroad that their fears of Trump should be matched by similar fears of Cruz. A self-important "true believer" with no regard for anyone else is at least as dangerous as a bombastic vapid showman

Cruz is popular with people who aren't around him. Everyone around him hates him. He's a self-promoter and only cares about himself. But the hardcore conservative voters like him because he stands up to things, whether it's smart in terms of actually getting things done, or not. He's a hardline conservative and voters like that about him. But just like Trump had in the primaries, he had a ceiling where a lot of people just did not care for him, so he never became that big of a threat to Trump.
 
Not a Cruz fan at all. That said, heard more than once today he will run for President in 2020 whether he has to primary versus a President Trump or not. That explains him not endorsing anyone else. As far as letting him speak-not sure why he was ever invited in the first place. Pretty obvious dislike for each other.
 
Not a Cruz fan at all. That said, heard more than once today he will run for President in 2020 whether he has to primary versus a President Trump or not. That explains him not endorsing anyone else. As far as letting him speak-not sure why he was ever invited in the first place. Pretty obvious dislike for each other.

Agreed. I don't think I'd say he did this last night BECAUSE of 2020 - like you said, they aren't fans of one another and that's no secret. There's other Republicans that aren't endorsing Trump either. But certainly if Trump lost and he ran in 2020, he'd be someone who can say it was a mistake. Just because it's not popular now doesn't mean it won't be later on.

But yeah, I think the question that people aren't asking is why on earth he was scheduled in the first place. It was odd from the first announcement that he was (at least I thought so).
 
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