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Crooked Hillary

If what is asserted in this article is true, I can't believe she survives this and remains the presumptive Democrat nominee.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/29/hillary-claims-she-did-nothing-wrong-but-this-money-trail-say
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I have no use for Hillary. Anyone that lies about how our brave young men died will never get my vote. She fkd up, just admit the mistake and move on. Don't throw a scape goat to jail for creating a video that had nothing to do with what happened in Benghazi.
I also despise Obama for giving Iraq to ISIS. My son has tattood on his shoulder the names of two of his buddies killed there fighting for their freedom. When he took office the region was very much on the road to stability. They were voting for Christ sake. Remember the lady with the purple finger.
Last October my son again went through the deployment rituals. Doctor, dental check ups etc. He was on his way back to undo the fck up of Obama for pulling out. What stopped us was the Russians jumping in our stead. Maybe that is what the reset button fiasco was all about, let Russia fix our puck fups.
OK I vented.
 
I have no use for Hillary. Anyone that lies about how our brave young men died will never get my vote. She fkd up, just admit the mistake and move on. Don't throw a scape goat to jail for creating a video that had nothing to do with what happened in Benghazi.
I also despise Obama for giving Iraq to ISIS. My son has tattood on his shoulder the names of two of his buddies killed there fighting for their freedom. When he took office the region was very much on the road to stability. They were voting for Christ sake. Remember the lady with the purple finger.
Last October my son again went through the deployment rituals. Doctor, dental check ups etc. He was on his way back to undo the fck up of Obama for pulling out. What stopped us was the Russians jumping in our stead. Maybe that is what the reset button fiasco was all about, let Russia fix our puck fups.
OK I vented.

Your message touches me greatly. Thank God your Son came home. Bush was demonized when no WMD's were found. That put into question why we ever went into Iraq. That said, we did go into Iraq and we did, after losing a lot of our young people, put the country on its way to Democracy. It is an American tragedy that after all of the loss Obama handed the area to Isis on a silver platter. Now we have HRC. OMG, she has absolutely no since of morality, none. What she did, or didn't do in Benghazi disqualifies her for any role in government. It just amazes me how many people will discount this and vote for someone with zero character.
 
I have no use for Hillary. Anyone that lies about how our brave young men died will never get my vote. She fkd up, just admit the mistake and move on. Don't throw a scape goat to jail for creating a video that had nothing to do with what happened in Benghazi.
I also despise Obama for giving Iraq to ISIS. My son has tattood on his shoulder the names of two of his buddies killed there fighting for their freedom. When he took office the region was very much on the road to stability. They were voting for Christ sake. Remember the lady with the purple finger.
Last October my son again went through the deployment rituals. Doctor, dental check ups etc. He was on his way back to undo the fck up of Obama for pulling out. What stopped us was the Russians jumping in our stead. Maybe that is what the reset button fiasco was all about, let Russia fix our puck fups.
OK I vented.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrat...statement-gop-lawyer-054123503--politics.html
 
Who gives a shit about some retired 05? We should just take one guys opinion as the gold standard? This is non sequitur anyway. The issue is not whether the military acted responsibly, it's why did witch sec state lie about everything. The fact that she denied extra security when it was requested? The fact that she blamed the attack on a youtube video? The fact that she fomented violent regime changes? Maybe those men couldn't have been saved that night, I don't know, but what is perfectly clear is that she lied through her crooked yellow teeth about what really happened whenever she got the opportunity...just like with the email server.
 
Who gives a shit about some retired 05? We should just take one guys opinion as the gold standard? This is non sequitur anyway. The issue is not whether the military acted responsibly, it's why did witch sec state lie about everything. The fact that she denied extra security when it was requested? The fact that she blamed the attack on a youtube video? The fact that she fomented violent regime changes? Maybe those men couldn't have been saved that night, I don't know, but what is perfectly clear is that she lied through her crooked yellow teeth about what really happened whenever she got the opportunity...just like with the email server.
Retired O5? Read the article again. Not a "retired O5" actually a retired 3 star and the top Army lawyer during the time period. He might just know a thing or two, and kind of hard to call him biased considering he was the Republican's attorney that they hired.

The rest is HDS. I think I'm going to enjoy 8 years of impotent HDS rage after 8 years of impotent ODS rage.
 
Retired O5? Read the article again. Not a "retired O5" actually a retired 3 star and the top Army lawyer during the time period. He might just know a thing or two, and kind of hard to call him biased considering he was the Republican's attorney that they hired.

The rest is HDS. I think I'm going to enjoy 8 years of impotent HDS rage after 8 years of impotent ODS rage.
She can't even wipe out a 74 year old Socialist and you think she's going to run Trump off the field? LOL

The momentum right now is clearly against her. She will eventually beat Sanders, but when it comes to Trump she is facing a much different animal than Sanders (or Romney, or McCain) and she's in for a long, nasty campaign. The Republicans are starting to rally around Trump now because they see he can win this. When you have polls in three swing states (OH, FL, and PA) that show a virtual deadheat, that should give the Democrats reason to pause.

Women voters are smarter than HRC seems to give them credit for. They care about the economy and most are smart enough to see that doubling down on Obama's legacy is a path to more pain. People really care about Transgender bathroom policies right now? Give me a break.

HRC is a pathological liar, untrustworthy, and a scheming biatch. She is a weak, uninspiring candidate. The country sees her and Slick Willie for what they really are. In an election that is a referendum on the Establishment, she is going to struggle, because her message is worn and tired and most people see that the doctrinaire policies of both the Republican and Democrat parties aren't working and aren't helping our country prosper. Trump has the momentum and she has precious few arrows in the quiver that will work on him. Meanwhile, she's got a ton of baggage to carry around herself.
 
She can't even wipe out a 74 year old Socialist and you think she's going to run Trump off the field? LOL

The momentum right now is clearly against her. She will eventually beat Sanders, but when it comes to Trump she is facing a much different animal than Sanders (or Romney, or McCain) and she's in for a long, nasty campaign. The Republicans are starting to rally around Trump now because they see he can win this. When you have polls in three swing states (OH, FL, and PA) that show a virtual deadheat, that should give the Democrats reason to pause.

Women voters are smarter than HRC seems to give them credit for. They care about the economy and most are smart enough to see that doubling down on Obama's legacy is a path to more pain. People really care about Transgender bathroom policies right now? Give me a break.

HRC is a pathological liar, untrustworthy, and a scheming biatch. She is a weak, uninspiring candidate. The country sees her and Slick Willie for what they really are. In an election that is a referendum on the Establishment, she is going to struggle, because her message is worn and tired and most people see that the doctrinaire policies of both the Republican and Democrat parties aren't working and aren't helping our country prosper. Trump has the momentum and she has precious few arrows in the quiver that will work on him. Meanwhile, she's got a ton of baggage to carry around herself.
Pretty sure she's leading by 3 million + votes, delegates, super delegates...seems like Sander's was wiped out awhile ago, that he can't accept it notwithstanding.

It's going to be delicious watching folks like you thinking Trump actually has a chance, and then watching that melt away, but still holding on for the "silent majority" only to have to watch her big smiling face on election night, just like you had to watch Obama's big ol' smile in 08.
 
Trump not releasing taxes will hurt him. He openly boasts about paying as little tax as possible. That is going to offend those that want to pay their fair share. Trump is also the biggest flip flipper on every issue of all time. Clinton was the best president in modern times the only balanced budget and surplus in modern times. Don't forget we were at almost 10 percent unemployment when Bush the idiot left office. Now we are at 5 percent with 22 million jobs added. Hell the stock market has tripled under Obama.
 
Pretty sure she's leading by 3 million + votes, delegates, super delegates...seems like Sander's was wiped out awhile ago, that he can't accept it notwithstanding.

It's going to be delicious watching folks like you thinking Trump actually has a chance, and then watching that melt away, but still holding on for the "silent majority" only to have to watch her big smiling face on election night, just like you had to watch Obama's big ol' smile in 08.
If it weren't for the Superdelegates, she'd be in for a real slugfest with Sanders. But as the Democratic Party often does, they rig the system to stop people they don't officially endorse. The superdelegates basically put their thumb on the scale for the candidate they want - to hell with their liberal sheeple.

She couldn't beat Obama, who came out of nowhere to win the Democrat nomination. He had a new, inspiring message (lots of which he didn't fulfill) that resonated with voters. Trump has a different, inspiring message of his own that's caused Republican primary voting to increase 60% vs. 2012 (while Democrat primary voting is down 35%).

Trump has more than "a chance" to beat HRC. With all of the discussion about her email fiasco (and a criminal investigation by the FBI), the missing funds in the Clinton Foundation (which has contributors from Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc.), Benghazi, and all of her other past baggage, she has made running against her easier for Trump.
 
Retired O5? Read the article again. Not a "retired O5" actually a retired 3 star and the top Army lawyer during the time period. He might just know a thing or two, and kind of hard to call him biased considering he was the Republican's attorney that they hired.

The rest is HDS. I think I'm going to enjoy 8 years of impotent HDS rage after 8 years of impotent ODS rage.
It doesn't matter. My point stands. Your interjection has nothing to do with BoilerJS' point. He never questioned whether or not the military made the right decision, which is what your stupid article is about. You cannot stay on topic. You get shown up in every post. Then deflect and change the subject. Weak minded.
 
Trump not releasing taxes will hurt him. He openly boasts about paying as little tax as possible. That is going to offend those that want to pay their fair share. Trump is also the biggest flip flipper on every issue of all time. Clinton was the best president in modern times the only balanced budget and surplus in modern times. Don't forget we were at almost 10 percent unemployment when Bush the idiot left office. Now we are at 5 percent with 22 million jobs added. Hell the stock market has tripled under Obama.
Hurt him with whom - Mitt Romney? Most people couldn't give a damn about his taxes. He's already released his financial statements and is currently being audited by the IRS. Most people I know try to take as many deductions as they are lawfully allowed. Don't know many people who pay more than they have to. What a weak argument.

Clinton would never have balanced the budget without having a Republican congress to drive him to do it - Newt Gingrich et al. (Clinton also signed NAFTA and welfare reform.) I don't give him credit for signing NAFTA as it's been terrible for the country. I do give him credit for welfare reform.

Bill Clinton did do some things that were good for the country, but HRC is not Bill Clinton and she will not run the country like her husband did. Sanders is making her tack much farther to the left.
 
If it weren't for the Superdelegates, she'd be in for a real slugfest with Sanders. But as the Democratic Party often does, they rig the system to stop people they don't officially endorse. The superdelegates basically put their thumb on the scale for the candidate they want - to hell with their liberal sheeple.

She couldn't beat Obama, who came out of nowhere to win the Democrat nomination. He had a new, inspiring message (lots of which he didn't fulfill) that resonated with voters. Trump has a different, inspiring message of his own that's caused Republican primary voting to increase 60% vs. 2012 (while Democrat primary voting is down 35%).

Trump has more than "a chance" to beat HRC. With all of the discussion about her email fiasco (and a criminal investigation by the FBI), the missing funds in the Clinton Foundation (which has contributors from Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc.), Benghazi, and all of her other past baggage, she has made running against her easier for Trump.
She has something like 4+ times the lead in pledged delegates that Obama had at this point in 2008 give or take. She's up almost 250, and Obama finished up only something like 60 pledged delegates ahead.

So no, she is not a real "slugfest." She's captured double digit more percent of all pledged delegates than Sanders (high 50s to low 40s) and she's 3 million more in popular votes and she has the most popular votes of ANYONE on either side.

Explain to me how either lead equates to a "rigged" system in favor of Clinton. She'd win with or without SDs. She has won by number of states. She has won by total number of votes.

Like I said, watching you folks think Drumpf has a chance is going to make the schadenfreude all the more fun.
 
It doesn't matter. My point stands. Your interjection has nothing to do with BoilerJS' point. He never questioned whether or not the military made the right decision, which is what your stupid article is about. You cannot stay on topic. You get shown up in every post. Then deflect and change the subject. Weak minded.
lol

1. It does have to do with his point. Read the article again, get a grown-up to help you.

2. My response was to your response. If you want me to stay "on topic" then perhaps your response should be "on topic."

You really do the insult thing poorly. Few people think I get "shown up in every post." You know this...yet you keep trying to create these insults that are so over the top that they make you look sillier than you are.

Again, keep it simple..."librul", biased, socialist, arrogant...you know, the tried and true insults.
 
She has something like 4+ times the lead in pledged delegates that Obama had at this point in 2008 give or take. She's up almost 250, and Obama finished up only something like 60 pledged delegates ahead.

So no, she is not a real "slugfest." She's captured double digit more percent of all pledged delegates than Sanders (high 50s to low 40s) and she's 3 million more in popular votes and she has the most popular votes of ANYONE on either side.

Explain to me how either lead equates to a "rigged" system in favor of Clinton. She'd win with or without SDs. She has won by number of states. She has won by total number of votes.

Like I said, watching you folks think Drumpf has a chance is going to make the schadenfreude all the more fun.
I did say that she will ultimately win the Democrat nomination. However, Sanders is making her sweat much harder than she, her campaign, or the Democrat Establishment ever expected. There's no denying this. If the Democrat Party is really the party of the people, why do they even have superdelegates? Shouldn't the primary/caucus voters decide by themselves, not the party bureaucrats?
 
Trump not releasing taxes will hurt him. He openly boasts about paying as little tax as possible. That is going to offend those that want to pay their fair share. Trump is also the biggest flip flipper on every issue of all time. Clinton was the best president in modern times the only balanced budget and surplus in modern times. Don't forget we were at almost 10 percent unemployment when Bush the idiot left office. Now we are at 5 percent with 22 million jobs added. Hell the stock market has tripled under Obama.
Yes and no.

For the Drumpfites, nothing will hurt. Women, taxes, lies, none of it will matter. He's not that "bitc#" Hillary and that's all that matters. He gives full rise to their ID and that's all they care about.

For folks who are pro-Hillary, it's wholly not surprising.

For everyone else, it's just one more thing in the already baked in that guy is crazy and I will vote for anyone before him, even Hillary...cake.

It gives lie to exactly how rich he claims to be, but again, those voting for him have already bought into that, and those not voting for him already know he's blowing smoke about his true net worth.

Same with the flips.

The reality remains, Drumpf can't win with just angry white men and the women that love them. He needs more, and there is no evidence he is anywhere close to the "more" at this point.
 
I did say that she will ultimately win the Democrat nomination. However, Sanders is making her sweat much harder than she, her campaign, or the Democrat Establishment ever expected. There's no denying this. If the Democrat Party is really the party of the people, why do they even have superdelegates? Shouldn't the primary/caucus voters decide by themselves, not the party bureaucrats?
Again, no...he isn't. SOMEONE was going to rise up. No party enjoys a non-President running unopposed. The completely proportional setup that the Dems chose almost guarantees a nominee won't be selected til near the end of the process.

If they'd adopted the republican process, Hillary would have sealed it a month or two ago given she's won just about every large state.

You are absolutely right, the nominee should be decided by the voters themselves.
So, how's winning the pledged delegates by 240+ and the total overall vote by 3 million again?

Rhymes with Clinton.

(I bet republicans wish they had superdelegates right about now...they certainly will come November).
 
Yes and no.

For the Drumpfites, nothing will hurt. Women, taxes, lies, none of it will matter. He's not that "bitc#" Hillary and that's all that matters. He gives full rise to their ID and that's all they care about.

For folks who are pro-Hillary, it's wholly not surprising.

For everyone else, it's just one more thing in the already baked in that guy is crazy and I will vote for anyone before him, even Hillary...cake.

It gives lie to exactly how rich he claims to be, but again, those voting for him have already bought into that, and those not voting for him already know he's blowing smoke about his true net worth.

Same with the flips.

The reality remains, Drumpf can't win with just angry white men and the women that love them. He needs more, and there is no evidence he is anywhere close to the "more" at this point.
I agree with much of what you said until the last sentence. Clinton can't rely on millennial voters to turn out in the numbers they did for Obama. (AA's are baked in for HRC - no denying that.) It will come down to white women and independents to decide this election and they will have a decision to make on which candidates' vision of the future they like better.
 
I agree with much of what you said until the last sentence. Clinton can't rely on millennial voters to turn out in the numbers they did for Obama. (AA's are baked in for HRC - no denying that.) It will come down to white women and independents to decide this election and they will have a decision to make on which candidates' vision of the future they like better.
She doesn't have to. Hispanics, you keep forgetting Hispanics. Key in battleground states, historically high disapproval ratings for Drumpf. It will not come down to independents. Obama lost independents to Romney. Still won by 4 pts and comfortably in the EC. He lost white women to Romney, 56-42.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/whats-up-with-white-women-they-voted-for-romney-too

So, let's assume Hillary actually loses white women say 52-48. You'd agree that's probably about as good as Donald will do right? Historic woman's vote for a woman President plus some of the his issues with women will peel away some white women yes?

If so, that would be the best result for a Dem among white women going back quite awhile!

Better than Obama in 12, or 08, or for opponents to Bush.

The reason why women overall preferred Obama in both elections is because minority women overwhelmingly supported him, just like they will Hillary. You know who the highest turnout group is percentagewise? Black women.

Millennials don't have to turn out in monster numbers, Hillary doesn't need to do as well as Obama to win comfortably. She can lose white women, and millennials can come out less, and she will still win, because of the impact of Hispanics in battleground states like FL or CO or NV/NM, or the turnout of AAs in the midwestern states like PA and OH or even NC.
 
lol

1. It does have to do with his point. Read the article again, get a grown-up to help you.

2. My response was to your response. If you want me to stay "on topic" then perhaps your response should be "on topic."

You really do the insult thing poorly. Few people think I get "shown up in every post." You know this...yet you keep trying to create these insults that are so over the top that they make you look sillier than you are.

Again, keep it simple..."librul", biased, socialist, arrogant...you know, the tried and true insults.
This is what he wrote: "I have no use for Hillary. Anyone that lies about how our brave young men died will never get my vote. She fkd up, just admit the mistake and move on. Don't throw a scape goat to jail for creating a video that had nothing to do with what happened in Benghazi."

Your article has nothing to do with her lying about the youtube movie or denying extra security detail when requested previous to the attack. From the state dept accountability review board:
The number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was inadequate, despite repeated requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing. Board members found a pervasive realization among personnel who served in Benghazi that the Special Mission was not a high priority for Washington when it came to security-related requests, especially those relating to staffing. The insufficient Special Mission security platform was at variance with the appropriate Overseas Security Policy Board (OSPB) standards with respect to perimeter and interior security. Benghazi was also severely under-resourced with regard to certain needed security equipment, although DS funded and installed in 2012 a number of physical security upgrades.

Now what? Complain about Trump? Bring up another article that has nothing to do with what anyone posted? Anything other than face facts, I'm sure.
 
She doesn't have to. Hispanics, you keep forgetting Hispanics. Key in battleground states, historically high disapproval ratings for Drumpf. It will not come down to independents. Obama lost independents to Romney. Still won by 4 pts and comfortably in the EC. He lost white women to Romney, 56-42.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/whats-up-with-white-women-they-voted-for-romney-too

So, let's assume Hillary actually loses white women say 52-48. You'd agree that's probably about as good as Donald will do right? Historic woman's vote for a woman President plus some of the his issues with women will peel away some white women yes?

If so, that would be the best result for a Dem among white women going back quite awhile!

Better than Obama in 12, or 08, or for opponents to Bush.

The reason why women overall preferred Obama in both elections is because minority women overwhelmingly supported him, just like they will Hillary. You know who the highest turnout group is percentagewise? Black women.

Millennials don't have to turn out in monster numbers, Hillary doesn't need to do as well as Obama to win comfortably. She can lose white women, and millennials can come out less, and she will still win, because of the impact of Hispanics in battleground states like FL or CO or NV/NM, or the turnout of AAs in the midwestern states like PA and OH or even NC.
BO had a super majority. What immigration reform bill did he put forward? LOL. Democrats have always wanted their slave labor. It's a big part of the party history.
 
She doesn't have to. Hispanics, you keep forgetting Hispanics. Key in battleground states, historically high disapproval ratings for Drumpf. It will not come down to independents. Obama lost independents to Romney. Still won by 4 pts and comfortably in the EC. He lost white women to Romney, 56-42.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/whats-up-with-white-women-they-voted-for-romney-too

So, let's assume Hillary actually loses white women say 52-48. You'd agree that's probably about as good as Donald will do right? Historic woman's vote for a woman President plus some of the his issues with women will peel away some white women yes?

If so, that would be the best result for a Dem among white women going back quite awhile!

Better than Obama in 12, or 08, or for opponents to Bush.

The reason why women overall preferred Obama in both elections is because minority women overwhelmingly supported him, just like they will Hillary. You know who the highest turnout group is percentagewise? Black women.

Millennials don't have to turn out in monster numbers, Hillary doesn't need to do as well as Obama to win comfortably. She can lose white women, and millennials can come out less, and she will still win, because of the impact of Hispanics in battleground states like FL or CO or NV/NM, or the turnout of AAs in the midwestern states like PA and OH or even NC.
You seem to forget that something like 6M Republicans didn't vote in 2012 for Romney (they didn't vote). Trump will get many of these and he'll also peel off quite a few moderate Dems.
 
This is what he wrote: "I have no use for Hillary. Anyone that lies about how our brave young men died will never get my vote. She fkd up, just admit the mistake and move on. Don't throw a scape goat to jail for creating a video that had nothing to do with what happened in Benghazi."

Your article has nothing to do with her lying about the youtube movie or denying extra security detail when requested previous to the attack. From the state dept accountability review board:
The number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was inadequate, despite repeated requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing. Board members found a pervasive realization among personnel who served in Benghazi that the Special Mission was not a high priority for Washington when it came to security-related requests, especially those relating to staffing. The insufficient Special Mission security platform was at variance with the appropriate Overseas Security Policy Board (OSPB) standards with respect to perimeter and interior security. Benghazi was also severely under-resourced with regard to certain needed security equipment, although DS funded and installed in 2012 a number of physical security upgrades.

Now what? Complain about Trump? Bring up another article that has nothing to do with what anyone posted? Anything other than face facts, I'm sure.

"I think you ordered exactly the right forces to move out and to head toward a position where they could reinforce what was occurring in Benghazi or Tripoli or elsewhere in the region. And, sir, I don't disagree with the actions you took, the recommendations you made and the decisions you directed."

Chipman later told Panetta that he was "worried" that U.S. officials were caught by surprise during the Benghazi raids, which occurred on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Still, Chipman told Panetta: "Nothing could have affected what occurred in Benghazi," Cummings and Smith wrote."
 
You seem to forget that something like 6M Republicans didn't vote in 2012 for Romney (they didn't vote). Trump will get many of these and he'll also peel off quite a few moderate Dems.
ah the old silent majority argument again. I love it when folks bring out the secret millions who sat out the last election(s) but will come out now in vast numbers.

And liberals do this silliness too by the way. It seems to span ideologies.
 
BO had a super majority. What immigration reform bill did he put forward? LOL. Democrats have always wanted their slave labor. It's a big part of the party history.
Yes, yes, go out, find all the Hispanics and explain to them why they should really be voting for Drumpf.

I shudder at the success you will have.
 
"I think you ordered exactly the right forces to move out and to head toward a position where they could reinforce what was occurring in Benghazi or Tripoli or elsewhere in the region. And, sir, I don't disagree with the actions you took, the recommendations you made and the decisions you directed."

Chipman later told Panetta that he was "worried" that U.S. officials were caught by surprise during the Benghazi raids, which occurred on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Still, Chipman told Panetta: "Nothing could have affected what occurred in Benghazi," Cummings and Smith wrote."
and this was talking about the youtube video or denied security requests?! nope! It was talking about the military's response to the attack.
 
ah the old silent majority argument again. I love it when folks bring out the secret millions who sat out the last election(s) but will come out now in vast numbers.

And liberals do this silliness too by the way. It seems to span ideologies.
There is truth to that.

But face it, Romney was an uninspiring candidate, just like HRC is now. The likelihood is that Trump is going to bring out more voters to his side vs. Romney in 2012 than HRC will bring to the Democrat side vs. Obama in 2012. You can take that to the bank.
 
and this was talking about the youtube video or denied security requests?! nope! It was talking about the military's response to the attack.
lol "She fkd up, just admit the mistake and move on." Seems to me this line is about what happened. But yeah, I'm the wrong guy for addressing the actual substantive part of what happened not about the video. And the security requests weren't actually for Benghazi, but were for Tripoli.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/w...e-focused-on-tripoli.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
There is truth to that.

But face it, Romney was an uninspiring candidate, just like HRC is now. The likelihood is that Trump is going to bring out more voters to his side vs. Romney in 2012 than HRC will bring to the Democrat side vs. Obama in 2012. You can take that to the bank.
I can take it to the bank, but they tend to like things that have value.

Drumpf is not going to bring out more women to his side than Romney, nor Hispanics, nor AAs, nor millennials. He will bring out more white men and the women that love them, but there ain't remotely enough of them in 2016 to win the EC. Drumpf would have to bring 5+ million more voters than Romney brought in 2012, and Hillary would have to flatline just to tie in the popular vote.

That ain't happening.
 
I can take it to the bank, but they tend to like things that have value.

Drumpf is not going to bring out more women to his side than Romney, nor Hispanics, nor AAs, nor millennials. He will bring out more white men and the women that love them, but there ain't remotely enough of them in 2016 to win the EC. Drumpf would have to bring 5+ million more voters than Romney brought in 2012, and Hillary would have to flatline just to tie in the popular vote.

That ain't happening.
Think you're wrong about women. They are smarter than the Democrats and HRC give them credit for. He will do better with them than you or the Dems think, because they care more about the economy and security than the social issues and social engineering the Dems always seem to bring up.

As for AAs, I've seen lots interviewed on TV (different channels), and they are not generally gushing in their enthusiasm for her. They want Obama to run for another term. In general, HRC has much less energy and enthusiasm for her campaign than Obama ever did. That means she will have more trouble getting the vote out than Obama did.

If Sanders leaves the race, many Millennials with either not vote or will go for Trump. Some polls show him getting 25% of the Millennial vote. I suspect when Sanders quits (would he run 3rd party?), more will come over to Trump. I could see Trump getting 1/3.

I'll give you Hispanics. How many non-citizens have the Dems signed up since 2012?
 
lol "She fkd up, just admit the mistake and move on." Seems to me this line is about what happened. But yeah, I'm the wrong guy for addressing the actual substantive part of what happened not about the video. And the security requests weren't actually for Benghazi, but were for Tripoli.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/w...e-focused-on-tripoli.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
so i post directly from the state dept accountability review board report and you post the nyt. good for you!
 
Think you're wrong about women. They are smarter than the Democrats and HRC give them credit for. He will do better with them than you or the Dems think, because they care more about the economy and security than the social issues and social engineering the Dems always seem to bring up.

As for AAs, I've seen lots interviewed on TV (different channels), and they are not generally gushing in their enthusiasm for her. They want Obama to run for another term. In general, HRC has much less energy and enthusiasm for her campaign than Obama ever did. That means she will have more trouble getting the vote out than Obama did.

If Sanders leaves the race, many Millennials with either not vote or will go for Trump. Some polls show him getting 25% of the Millennial vote. I suspect when Sanders quits (would he run 3rd party?), more will come over to Trump. I could see Trump getting 1/3.

I'll give you Hispanics. How many non-citizens have the Dems signed up since 2012?

Drump's disapproval rating among women has a 7 in front of it. But I've already said let's assume she loses white women 52-48...that's STILL better than Obama did. So he can "do better than I think he will" and still lose. Obama lost white women by 14 percentage points and still broke the 300 barrier in EVs.

I'm going to pretend you didn't just try to speak for AAs lol but no, we ain't voting for the Donald.

Some polls show him getting 25% of the vote? That's nice. Obama won 67% of the youth vote in 2012, so if Hillary "only" wins 75% of the youth vote this time around, I think she will take it.
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/study-youth-vote-was-decisive-083510

18-19% of the vote was the youth vote, but let's say it drops to 16 or 17%, well, if Hillary wins 75% of that you are pretty much at break even.

You are failing to comprehend the sheer demographic hole any republican has right now in the EC, much less someone like Drumpf who starts in even larger holes with every group that isn't white men and married white women (and right now he's actually losing that group by double digits to Hillary).
 
so i post directly from the state dept accountability review board report and you post the nyt. good for you!
lol you made a claim, I refuted that claim. Whether or not the security was sufficient or not is a different claim from "repeated requests for more security." Obviously, the security was not sufficient but the requests for more security that went up official channels were actually directed towards Tripoli.
 
lol you made a claim, I refuted that claim. Whether or not the security was sufficient or not is a different claim from "repeated requests for more security." Obviously, the security was not sufficient but the requests for more security that went up official channels were actually directed towards Tripoli.
no dude. only in your dream world where you only read what you want to read. Are you really so brainwashed?
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/partisan-spin-on-benghazi/
 
no dude. only in your dream world where you only read what you want to read. Are you really so brainwashed?
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/partisan-spin-on-benghazi/
First from your own link, Stevens asked for and received an extension on the three security guards already there just months before the attacks (June) and he brought two additional ones with him on the eve of the attack. In fact, according to CNN, the various security requests going back a year were in fact for 3-5 security personnel, although one person said he requested 12 at one point, but there is little evidence for that but his word. Of course, given the scale/type of attack, you tell me how 12 would have fared much better. Still, he had five security agents with him at the time, and that's what he'd been asking for.

AND from the link you like to cite, the Accountability Review Board:

“As it became clear that DS [Diplomatic Security] would not provide a steady complement of five TDY [temporary duty assignment] DS agents to Benghazi, expectations on the ground were lowered by the daunting task of gaining approvals and the reality of an ever-shifting DS personnel platform.”

So five was the magic number. Five was what they were asking for, five was what the ARB said they should have. Guess how many they had the night of the attacks?

Rhymes with five.

Second, in the months leading UP to the attacks, the focus for security was in Tripoli, not Benghazi. I'm sure there are a ton of small diplomatic posts in dangerous areas, particularly in Africa and the Middle East that are undersecured and request additional security because we don't spend enough money on security and have to spread our resources around. So the fact that in the past Benghazi was one of those outposts is not surprising. The point is that there was not a desperate flurry in the months leading up to the attacks focused on Benghazi, there was one focused on Tripoli.

Third, it was a temporary facility. That's again from the Accountability Review Board. It's not surprising that a temporary facility is not going to get the same security resources as more permanent facilities. Now, there were times leading up to the attacks where security was woefully inadequate, including a time period where there was only ONE security agent there.

HOWEVER, on the night of the attack, they actually HAD the exact number of agents they'd been requesting all along. Five. It didn't matter. The size of the attacking force was way too large for them to handle.
 
First from your own link, Stevens asked for and received an extension on the three security guards already there just months before the attacks (June) and he brought two additional ones with him on the eve of the attack. In fact, according to CNN, the various security requests going back a year were in fact for 3-5 security personnel, although one person said he requested 12 at one point, but there is little evidence for that but his word. Of course, given the scale/type of attack, you tell me how 12 would have fared much better. Still, he had five security agents with him at the time, and that's what he'd been asking for.

AND from the link you like to cite, the Accountability Review Board:

“As it became clear that DS [Diplomatic Security] would not provide a steady complement of five TDY [temporary duty assignment] DS agents to Benghazi, expectations on the ground were lowered by the daunting task of gaining approvals and the reality of an ever-shifting DS personnel platform.”

So five was the magic number. Five was what they were asking for, five was what the ARB said they should have. Guess how many they had the night of the attacks?

Rhymes with five.

Second, in the months leading UP to the attacks, the focus for security was in Tripoli, not Benghazi. I'm sure there are a ton of small diplomatic posts in dangerous areas, particularly in Africa and the Middle East that are undersecured and request additional security because we don't spend enough money on security and have to spread our resources around. So the fact that in the past Benghazi was one of those outposts is not surprising. The point is that there was not a desperate flurry in the months leading up to the attacks focused on Benghazi, there was one focused on Tripoli.

Third, it was a temporary facility. That's again from the Accountability Review Board. It's not surprising that a temporary facility is not going to get the same security resources as more permanent facilities. Now, there were times leading up to the attacks where security was woefully inadequate, including a time period where there was only ONE security agent there.

HOWEVER, on the night of the attack, they actually HAD the exact number of agents they'd been requesting all along. Five. It didn't matter. The size of the attacking force was way too large for them to handle.
Then why doesn't your analysis agree with what the review board concluded? Oh because you're cherry picking.
www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf
Here's the full link for those that want to read.
 
Then why doesn't your analysis agree with what the review board concluded? Oh because you're cherry picking.
www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf
Here's the full link for those that want to read.
The review board was looking back at the entirety of the Benghazi special mission. So on a whole certainly for most of the mission's existence, it was short staffed with security.

What my "analysis" (which is not "my" analysis) agrees with is that:

1. the request was for five security personnel at Benghazi.
2. five security personnel were present at Benghazi the night of the attacks
 
2 of the 5 being there was happenstance. They were part of his travel detail from Tripoli.
On July 9, 2012, Stevens sent a cable to State Department headquarters requesting a minimum of 13 "Temporary Duty" (TDY) U.S. security personnel for Libya, which he said could be made up of DS agents, DoD Site Security Team (SST) personnel, or some combination of the two. These TDY security personnel were needed to meet the requested security posture in Tripoli and Benghazi. The State Department never fulfilled this request and, according to Eric Nordstrom, State Department headquarters never responded to the request with a cable.
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/press/benghazi.pdf
Starting page 14 is of particular interest.
I'm done. You are just unable to accept reality.
 
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2 of the 5 being there was happenstance. They were part of his travel detail from Tripoli.
On July 9, 2012, Stevens sent a cable to State Department headquarters requesting a minimum of 13 "Temporary Duty" (TDY) U.S. security personnel for Libya, which he said could be made up of DS agents, DoD Site Security Team (SST) personnel, or some combination of the two. These TDY security personnel were needed to meet the requested security posture in Tripoli and Benghazi. The State Department never fulfilled this request and, according to Eric Nordstrom, State Department headquarters never responded to the request with a cable.
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/press/benghazi.pdf
Starting page 14 is of particular interest.
I'm done. You are just unable to accept reality.
you can call it "happenstance" all you want to, on the night of the attacks, they had the exact number of folks they were asking for. It wasn't enough. So, even if they'd gotten EXACTLY what they asked for, from the start, for the entirety of the time there, guess what, EXACT same result would have happened.
 
you can call it "happenstance" all you want to, on the night of the attacks, they had the exact number of folks they were asking for. It wasn't enough. So, even if they'd gotten EXACTLY what they asked for, from the start, for the entirety of the time there, guess what, EXACT same result would have happened.
you are a sad little man. It's noted in the report that 2 were there because of travel detail.
On July 9, 2012, Stevens sent a cable to State Department headquarters requesting a minimum of 13 "Temporary Duty" (TDY) U.S. security personnel for Libya, which he said could be made up of DS agents, DoD Site Security Team (SST) personnel, or some combination of the two. These TDY security personnel were needed to meet the requested security posture in Tripoli and Benghazi. The State Department never fulfilled this request and, according to Eric Nordstrom, State Department headquarters never responded to the request with a cable.
 
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