Could the vaccine be causing stronger variants?

[Boilermaker03]

Abstract​

Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission. Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission could thus allow very virulent strains to circulate in a population. Here we show experimentally that immunization of chickens against Marek's disease virus enhances the fitness of more virulent strains, making it possible for hyperpathogenic strains to transmit. Immunity elicited by direct vaccination or by maternal vaccination prolongs host survival but does not prevent infection, viral replication or transmission, thus extending the infectious periods of strains otherwise too lethal to persist. Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts.

Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens

A study using Marek's disease virus in poultry shows that by reducing natural selection against highly virulent strains, imperfect vaccination enables the spread of viral strains that would otherwise be too lethal to persist.

journals.plos.org

 

[guidelinesa2]

Abstract​

Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission. Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission could thus allow very virulent strains to circulate in a population. Here we show experimentally that immunization of chickens against Marek's disease virus enhances the fitness of more virulent strains, making it possible for hyperpathogenic strains to transmit. Immunity elicited by direct vaccination or by maternal vaccination prolongs host survival but does not prevent infection, viral replication or transmission, thus extending the infectious periods of strains otherwise too lethal to persist. Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts.

Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens

A study using Marek's disease virus in poultry shows that by reducing natural selection against highly virulent strains, imperfect vaccination enables the spread of viral strains that would otherwise be too lethal to persist.

journals.plos.org

Yes, vaccines drive the mutations. Leaky vaccines are a waste of time at best and counterproductive at worst.

 

[Level 42]

Yes, vaccines drive the mutations. Leaky vaccines are a waste of time at best and counterproductive at worst.

It's no wonder the left loves them so much since that description fits them as well.

 

[PurdueFan1]

Oh look, all the Facebook MDs are weighing in. 🙄🙄

 

[guidelinesa2]

Oh look, all the Facebook MDs are weighing in. 🙄🙄

Plenty of MDs agree with us, except you are to scared to listen to them. Instead you chose to believe CNN

 

[PurdueFan1]

Plenty of MDs agree with us, except you are to scared to listen to them. Instead you chose to believe CNN

I’m sure the “doctors “ you’re referring to are totally on the up and up. Probably “doctors” like Rand Paul, who knows just as much about respiratory illness as I do.

Also, nice random claim that “plenty of MDs agree” with you but shockingly, that’s just a statement you toss out there with zero support and a really tired insult. I would tell you to do better, but based on all of the other crazy shit you post, you’ve hit your ceiling.

 

[guidelinesa2]

I’m sure the “doctors “ you’re referring to are totally on the up and up. Probably “doctors” like Rand Paul, who knows just as much about respiratory illness as I do.

Also, nice random claim that “plenty of MDs agree” with you but shockingly, that’s just a statement you toss out there with zero support and a really tired insult. I would tell you to do better, but based on all of the other crazy shit you post, you’ve hit your ceiling.

You will never know, because you are too scared to actually think for yourself. There is a massive amount of information out there....I'm not posting it here because you are just a NPC...incapable of independent thought...so it would be a total waste of time.

People like you use these tired and lame excuses like "no evidence" or "you haven't responded"....where there are dozens and dozens of posts on here showing you the evidence and you just ignore it.

No one will give you what you want because you have not shown the slightest inclination to actually consider and viewpoint except that of CNN

 

[maegh]

I’m sure the “doctors “ you’re referring to are totally on the up and up. Probably “doctors” like Rand Paul, who knows just as much about respiratory illness as I do.

Also, nice random claim that “plenty of MDs agree” with you but shockingly, that’s just a statement you toss out there with zero support and a really tired insult. I would tell you to do better, but based on all of the other crazy shit you post, you’ve hit your ceiling.

Joe Rogan found three of these doctors and you can listen to their conversations. However, there’s that whole “lead a horse to water” thing.

 

[PurdueFan1]

Joe Rogan found three of these doctors and you can listen to their conversations. However, there’s that whole “lead a horse to water” thing.

Lolol Joe Rogan

 

[PurdueFan1]

You will never know, because you are too scared to actually think for yourself. There is a massive amount of information out there....I'm not posting it here because you are just a NPC...incapable of independent thought...so it would be a total waste of time.

People like you use these tired and lame excuses like "no evidence" or "you haven't responded"....where there are dozens and dozens of posts on here showing you the evidence and you just ignore it.

No one will give you what you want because you have not shown the slightest inclination to actually consider and viewpoint except that of CNN

“Think for yourself” says the most gullible, conspiracy-theory-addled member of the board.

You’re a hoot. Are you drinking your own urine now? That’s the latest and greatest hit the crowd you run with touts as a treatment.

 

[guidelinesa2]

“Think for yourself” says the most gullible, conspiracy-theory-addled member of the board.

You’re a hoot. Are you drinking your own urine now? That’s the latest and greatest hit the crowd you run with touts as a treatment.

I remember way back to this time in '20 when I was telling everyone in this board it cane from a lab...where were you?

You are a joke. Think for yourself, turn iff CNN

 

[Mandeville LA]

“Think for yourself” says the most gullible, conspiracy-theory-addled member of the board.

You’re a hoot. Are you drinking your own urine now? That’s the latest and greatest hit the crowd you run with touts as a treatment.

You are the definition of a useful idiot the left needs to survive. Congratulations you get no prize.

 

[PurdueFan1]

You are the definition of a useful idiot the left needs to survive. Congratulations you get no prize.

There’s an entire party of the US government that feels the same exact way about you, buddy. Hook, line and sinker, your gullibility plays right into their hands.

 

[PurdueFan1]

I remember way back to this time in '20 when I was telling everyone in this board it cane from a lab...where were you?

You are a joke. Think for yourself, turn iff CNN

You keep talking about CNN like it’s supposed to be an insult (I don’t watch it, (FYI), so feel free to retire that tired retort.

That’s great you think it came from a lab. So what?

 

[Mandeville LA]

There’s an entire party of the US government that feels the same exact way about you, buddy. Hook, line and sinker, your gullibility plays right into their hands.

What?

 

[guidelinesa2]

There’s an entire party of the US government that feels the same exact way about you, buddy. Hook, line and sinker, your gullibility plays right into their hands.

According to @PurdueFan1 , the dupes are the ones who don't believe the uniparty line spouted by every mainstream media/entertainment/corporate/establishment gov / pharma outfit

It is the skeptical minority who are the dupes, and the uncritical majority have things correct....

 

[FreedomWins]

You keep talking about CNN like it’s supposed to be an insult (I don’t watch it, (FYI), so feel free to retire that tired retort.

That’s great you think it came from a lab. So what?

And you keep talking about FOX and Tucker like it’s supposed to be an insult so feel free to retire that worn out retort. What do you watch??? And left wing Twitter doesn’t count

 

[FreedomWins]

According to @PurdueFan1 , the dupes are the ones who don't believe the uniparty line spouted by every mainstream media/entertainment/corporate/establishment gov / pharma outfit

It is the skeptical minority who are the dupes, and the uncritical majority have things correct....

@PurdueFan1 has a lot of problems if you couldn’t tell…..worship the establishment and corporate media and never doubt anything they say. A true sheep!!

 

[FreedomWins]

Lolol Joe Rogan

Keep that Democrat owned mind nice and closed…more people listen to Rogan than all corporate media combined

 

[guidelinesa2]

Keep that Democrat owned mind nice and closed…more people listen to Rogan than all corporate media combined

They prefer to get their thoughts from Mr Potato on CNN

 

[FreedomWins]

They prefer to get their thoughts from Mr Potato on CNN

@PurdueFan1 will never say what he watches or where he gets his info from because he’s embarrassed…flaming left wing sources and he knows it

 

[PurdueFan1]

According to @PurdueFan1 , the dupes are the ones who don't believe the uniparty line spouted by every mainstream media/entertainment/corporate/establishment gov / pharma outfit

It is the skeptical minority who are the dupes, and the uncritical majority have things correct....

Did this also come from rightwingconspiracy.com? Goodness knows you haven’t had an original thought of your in on here yet

 

[FreedomWins]

Did this also come from rightwingconspiracy.com? Goodness knows you haven’t had an original thought of your in on here yet

Keep attacking others sources while providing none of your own…you’ve lost control, haven’t you??? Anything for the Democrats

 

[PurdueFan1]

Keep attacking others sources while providing none of your own…you’ve lost control, haven’t you??? Anything for the Democrats

The board stalker claims others have lost control. Precious. The little boy who obsessively chases others on here claims others have lost control. Guffaws.

Anyway, what sources have been provided? None? Exactly.

 

[FreedomWins]

The board stalker claims others have lost control. Precious. The little boy who obsessively chases others on here claims others have lost control. Guffaws.

Anyway, what sources have been provided? None? Exactly.

If you weren’t so damn crazy and stupid, you wouldn’t need to be chased but you’re a good Democrat, say anything untrue for the party and do not back anything up when challenged or questioned. Stick to the narrative because after all, it’s all about the party. The party. The party. The party!!

Yeah, and what sources have you provided to combat any information you deem untrue??? None? Exactly. You never provide anything of value, just sit in your little gay bar throwing stones at Republicans, even on Friday nights 😂😂

 

[PurdueFan1]

If you weren’t so damn crazy and stupid, you wouldn’t need to be chased but you’re a good Democrat, say anything untrue for the party and do not back anything up when challenged or questioned. Stick to the narrative because after all, it’s all about the party. The party. The party. The party!!

Yeah, and what sources have you provided to combat any information you deem untrue??? None? Exactly. You never provide anything of value, just sit in your little gay bar throwing stones at Republicans, even on Friday nights 😂😂

Shh shh, stalker. I know when your gay obsession surfaces, it means you’re all riled up and have lost control of your thoughts. Deep breaths, little boy. Shhh.

 

[FreedomWins]

Shh shh, stalker. I know when your gay obsession surfaces, it means you’re all riled up and have lost control of your thoughts. Deep breaths, little boy. Shhh.

Gay obsession??? Lolol yeah nobody cares about you, it’s obvious you have zero going for you outside of your political affiliation and obsession with those bad Republicans…even on a Friday night!!! Go visit your mom who you put into that home, she must be so proud 😂😂

 

[PurdueFan1]

Gay obsession??? Lolol yeah nobody cares about you, it’s obvious you have zero going for you outside of your political affiliation and obsession with those bad Republicans…even on a Friday night!!! Go visit your mom who you put into that home, she must be so proud 😂😂

You constantly bring it up, though. So you obviously care, especially since you stalk me.

 

[FreedomWins]

You constantly bring it up, though. So you obviously care, especially since you stalk me.

I stalk you??? That’s what cultist Democrats like you believe when asked to back up your insane comments. Keep playing the victim, queen!!! You’re the best at it. Twisted like f**k you are

 

[BSIT]

Abstract​

Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission. Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission could thus allow very virulent strains to circulate in a population. Here we show experimentally that immunization of chickens against Marek's disease virus enhances the fitness of more virulent strains, making it possible for hyperpathogenic strains to transmit. Immunity elicited by direct vaccination or by maternal vaccination prolongs host survival but does not prevent infection, viral replication or transmission, thus extending the infectious periods of strains otherwise too lethal to persist. Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts.

Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens

A study using Marek's disease virus in poultry shows that by reducing natural selection against highly virulent strains, imperfect vaccination enables the spread of viral strains that would otherwise be too lethal to persist.

journals.plos.org

Both my wife and me are fully vaccinated with boosters as well. Fortunately, we have been Covid free. We have many family and friends who chose not to get vaccinated and some got Covid. Not saying vaccinations make you bulletproof but my observation has been those who got really sick weren't vaccinated.

My observation has been that the latest version of Covid is less lethal albeit more contagious than previous versions. Saw a doctor say this is a good sign showing Covid is weakening. His point was as a virus mutates, it mutates to survive and that vaccines / treatments have done their job in reducing deaths which cause the virus mutate into less lethal versions. Not a doctor but this makes sense from what I'm seeing.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Both my wife and me are fully vaccinated with boosters as well. Fortunately, we have been Covid free. We have many family and friends who chose not to get vaccinated and some got Covid. Not saying vaccinations make you bulletproof but my observation has been those who got really sick weren't vaccinated.

My observation has been that the latest version of Covid is less lethal albeit more contagious than previous versions. Saw a doctor say this is a good sign showing Covid is weakening. His point was as a virus mutates, it mutates to survive and that vaccines / treatments have done their job in reducing deaths which cause the virus mutate into less lethal versions. Not a doctor but this makes sense from what I'm seeing.

Yes, that's true. But it can also be true that if a strong strain that would normally kill the host but doesn't because the host was vaccinated, will spread and kill more along the way. Grim to think of but it's a possible reality.