Could Ohio State be the game where Moore

[BoilerFYF]

Really busts out.

someone was saying that if we were 3-1 instead of 1-3, Rondale Moore would have been in the heisman discussion.

I think that.. there are a lot of 4 and 5 star recruits who make good. And a lot of them never sniff the heisman level.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see rondale so heavily harassed that he only goes like 6 rec for 84 yards and a TD.

That said, If you told me that Brohm opened the rondale playbook and he had the kind of performance he did v Northwestern and then some, blew the roof off the place and headlined sport center at a new level of notoriety... I also wouldn’t be shocked.

I keep getting this feeling that all other things will be equal and we will get huge games from Moore and Navon Mosley. Like the Iowa pick and the Michigan pick, but in one game. Could totally see Purdue in a game we otherwise lose getting huge games from both and winning 35-27 with Ohio State missing throwing a pick on 4th down... don’t know why I keep seeing that

 

[nat100]

Breakout more than he did against NW?

 

[BoilerFYF]

Breakout more than he did against NW?

If we wanna win that’s probably the best shot offensively other than Sparks becoming a different player than he’s been no... if you told me he had a few yards more than NU I wouldn’t be floored. I actually think they try not to use him TOO much.

 

[nat100]

If we wanna win that’s probably the best shot offensively other than Sparks becoming a different player than he’s been no... if you told me he had a few yards more than NU I wouldn’t be floored. I actually think they try not to use him TOO much.

I think he gets bracketed quite a bit. Thats why Zico is so wide open.

 

[BoilerFYF]

I think he gets bracketed quite a bit. Thats why Zico is so wide open.

Don’t you think they may have to pick their poison... Zico has exploded.. also, as per writings, doesn’t bracketing leave the drag and crossing stuff open? I think of rondale as more of a YAC threat there than a deep threat. And just think blough is way more equipped to get everyone the ball than anyone was at the opener.

We could get routed for all I know, but im Waiting for blough to hit my dad for a big gainer At this point

 

[nat100]

Don’t you think they may have to pick their poison... Zico has exploded.. also, as per writings, doesn’t bracketing leave the drag and crossing stuff open? I think of rondale as more of a YAC threat there than a deep threat. And just think blough is way more equipped to get everyone the ball than anyone was at the opener.

We could get routed for all I know, but im Waiting for blough to hit my dad for a big gainer At this point

No.

A lot of Moores catches the last few games have come on crossing routes that he catches and they gets back to the sideline on. As for Zico, teams are so slanted to keep moore in check that all he has to do is catch the ball.

 

[BoilerFYF]

No.

A lot of Moores catches the last few games have come on crossing routes that he catches and they gets back to the sideline on. As for Zico, teams are so slanted to keep moore in check that all he has to do is catch the ball.

Isn’t the first sentence aided by bracketing?

 

[nat100]

Isn’t the first sentence aided by bracketing?

yes, i thought you were saying he wasnt bracketed.

 

[BoilerFYF]

yes, i thought you were saying he wasnt bracketed.

No.. I could see him catching a lot of those short guys and popping a few. Unless Ohio State has chris gamble, mike doss and a Few others back there, I don’t think they are immune. He is the biggest playmaker in the big ten... to me

 

[nat100]

No.. I could see him catching a lot of those short guys and popping a few. Unless Ohio State has chris gamble, mike doss and a Few others back there, I don’t think they are immune. He is the biggest playmaker in the big ten... to me

Linebacker is their weakest defensive position, so the middle should be open. Minny abused them with RPOs.

Their Dline is scary, even without bosa. Chase Young is a beast

 

[BoilerFYF]

Linebacker is their weakest defensive position, so the middle should be open. Minny abused them with RPOs.

Their Dline is scary, even without bosa. Chase Young is a beast

I agree.. we need quick hitters. Blough won’t be standing back there all day. How was mizzous line I forgot (I’m sure not as good as osu)

 

[nat100]

I agree.. we need quick hitters. Blough won’t be standing back there all day. How was mizzous line I forgot (I’m sure not as good as osu)

They had a DT that caused a lot of issues against McCann. Evans wasnt playing in that game, so Edwards was at LG, McCann at RG and Swingler at RT.

I think McCann is in for a long day.

 

[BoilerFYF]

They had a DT that caused a lot of issues against McCann. Evans wasnt playing in that game, so Edwards was at LG, McCann at RG and Swingler at RT.

I think McCann is in for a long day.

Osu ssde is a beast?

 

[nat100]

Osu ssde is a beast?

Young would be a first rounder right now if he was eligible to come out.

 

[BoilerFYF]

Young would be a first rounder right now if he was eligible to come out.

Who is our worst OL I wanna see if I’m right

 

[PaBoiler78]

No.

A lot of Moores catches the last few games have come on crossing routes that he catches and they gets back to the sideline on. As for Zico, teams are so slanted to keep moore in check that all he has to do is catch the ball.

hopefully he gets more crossing routes saturday, Hamler did well vs them on crossing patterns.

 

[nat100]

Who is our worst OL I wanna see if I’m right

I think McCann is out of position at rt but is better than swingler.

Evans should be a backup imo

Thoughts?

 

[BoilerFYF]

I think McCann is out of position at rt but is better than swingler.

Evans should be a backup imo

Thoughts?

Why about Edwards. Also Swingler is a backup no?

 

[nat100]

Why about Edwards

Edwards? Solid lineman. Has issues, but moving him to rg and getting swingler out is why the offense improved in week 4

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I think he gets bracketed quite a bit. Thats why Zico is so wide open.

Everywhere Moore was on Saturday, even when in motion, Illinois was bracketing him constantly. As you said, that is why Zico was open and able to make plays. The fact that Zico made plays and has been making more and more throughout the season, may eventually prevent teams from doing that. My guess is that Brohm is going to try to move Moore around a bit more and use some schemes to do so. I think this is why we have seen more 5 wide looks to try to get Moore against a safety or a LB without the help over the top.

 

[BoilerFYF]

Everywhere Moore was on Saturday, even when in motion, Illinois was bracketing him constantly. As you said, that is why Zico was open and able to make plays. The fact that Zico made plays and has been making more and more throughout the season, may eventually prevent teams from doing that. My guess is that Brohm is going to try to move Moore around a bit more and use some schemes to do so. I think this is why we have seen more 5 wide looks to try to get Moore against a safety or a LB without the help over the top.

I’d like to see Moore lined up by Sparks and then switch them at the last minute.. run Moore deep with Sparks allotted unreal space underneath

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I’d like to see Moore lined up by Sparks and then switch them at the last minute.. run Moore deep with Sparks allotted unreal space underneath

That's not the strengths of either player....

If you watch Moore, his strength is really being able to read the coverage and go to the side that the defense is giving him on option routes. You'll frequently see him run at a LB or safety, get their feet moving in a certain direction, check the other coverage (if it is zone vs. man) and then make a cut based on that...Blough then makes his throw, if he is able, off that read.

Sparks' strengths currently are being able to get over the top but then making cuts back either on a dig, out, or on a hitch. His strength really could be the hitch given his larger frame and physical makeup to box out defenders and hopefully make a play in space.

OSU's CB's are on the larger size at 6' which may not allow for many deep balls in one on one coverage BUT may allow the faster WR's such as Moore, Zico, and Wright and ability to create space on other routes such as slants, posts, comebacks, and corner routes.

The key, as your point sort of makes, is lining different people up to allow Moore to get his separation through scheme first. I'd like to see more of Zico and Moore on the same side as we saw with Zico's long jump catch TD. In that, Moore was in the slot and ran a post pattern to hold the safety from being able to get over the top in the Tampa 2 defense that Illinois runs. Because of that inability of the safety to get over the top to provide help, Zico had man to man coverage. If not for a some what under throw football, Zico catches that ball near the back 1/3 of the endzone without an issue. That wouldn't have been possible without Moore's threat in the deep seam with the post however. (1:22 of embedded highlights video)
From that same play, you can also see Hopkins WIDE OPEN in the middle of the field as well. Hopkins ability to open up the seam from the opposite side is a big deal as well for the passing game that may go unnoticed.

Also wanted to point out something from Moore's 'catch' he had for a TD. if you watch the highlight (the very next one after the long Zico TD before half), you'll notice the TE and LT both allow their DL blocking assignments to get in to the backfield....this is simply knowing Moore is that good of an athlete to do EXACTLY what he did in making them miss by using his speed to get the corner. Doing this allows the LT and TE to get immediately to the second level after those 'chip' blocks to seal the edge even better for Moore. Great scheme that I've never really seen before...and wow does that just put the DL in a bind.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

That's not the strengths of either player....

If you watch Moore, his strength is really being able to read the coverage and go to the side that the defense is giving him on option routes. You'll frequently see him run at a LB or safety, get their feet moving in a certain direction, check the other coverage (if it is zone vs. man) and then make a cut based on that...Blough then makes his throw, if he is able, off that read.

Sparks' strengths currently are being able to get over the top but then making cuts back either on a dig, out, or on a hitch. His strength really could be the hitch given his larger frame and physical makeup to box out defenders and hopefully make a play in space.

OSU's CB's are on the larger size at 6' which may not allow for many deep balls in one on one coverage BUT may allow the faster WR's such as Moore, Zico, and Wright and ability to create space on other routes such as slants, posts, comebacks, and corner routes.

The key, as your point sort of makes, is lining different people up to allow Moore to get his separation through scheme first. I'd like to see more of Zico and Moore on the same side as we saw with Zico's long jump catch TD. In that, Moore was in the slot and ran a post pattern to hold the safety from being able to get over the top in the Tampa 2 defense that Illinois runs. Because of that inability of the safety to get over the top to provide help, Zico had man to man coverage. If not for a some what under throw football, Zico catches that ball near the back 1/3 of the endzone without an issue. That wouldn't have been possible without Moore's threat in the deep seam with the post however. (1:22 of embedded highlights video)
From that same play, you can also see Hopkins WIDE OPEN in the middle of the field as well. Hopkins ability to open up the seam from the opposite side is a big deal as well for the passing game that may go unnoticed.

Also wanted to point out something from Moore's 'catch' he had for a TD. if you watch the highlight (the very next one after the long Zico TD before half), you'll notice the TE and LT both allow their DL blocking assignments to get in to the backfield....this is simply knowing Moore is that good of an athlete to do EXACTLY what he did in making them miss by using his speed to get the corner. Doing this allows the LT and TE to get immediately to the second level after those 'chip' blocks to seal the edge even better for Moore. Great scheme that I've never really seen before...and wow does that just put the DL in a bind.

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Also wanted to point out on the first TD, Brohm had an absolute MAX protect on in that there were only two routes being run. Those were the crossing routes with Blough looking only at Zico coming from the short side to the wide side of the field. This is Brohm knowing that if Blough is simply given an extra second, Zico can use his speed to gain separation from the DB and Blough can make an easy throw given the angle on the wide side. Again, great scheme. Again, he had 8 guys blocking and there was just absolutely zero pressure coming from anywhere.

 

[BoilerFYF]

That's not the strengths of either player....

If you watch Moore, his strength is really being able to read the coverage and go to the side that the defense is giving him on option routes. You'll frequently see him run at a LB or safety, get their feet moving in a certain direction, check the other coverage (if it is zone vs. man) and then make a cut based on that...Blough then makes his throw, if he is able, off that read.

Sparks' strengths currently are being able to get over the top but then making cuts back either on a dig, out, or on a hitch. His strength really could be the hitch given his larger frame and physical makeup to box out defenders and hopefully make a play in space.

OSU's CB's are on the larger size at 6' which may not allow for many deep balls in one on one coverage BUT may allow the faster WR's such as Moore, Zico, and Wright and ability to create space on other routes such as slants, posts, comebacks, and corner routes.

The key, as your point sort of makes, is lining different people up to allow Moore to get his separation through scheme first. I'd like to see more of Zico and Moore on the same side as we saw with Zico's long jump catch TD. In that, Moore was in the slot and ran a post pattern to hold the safety from being able to get over the top in the Tampa 2 defense that Illinois runs. Because of that inability of the safety to get over the top to provide help, Zico had man to man coverage. If not for a some what under throw football, Zico catches that ball near the back 1/3 of the endzone without an issue. That wouldn't have been possible without Moore's threat in the deep seam with the post however. (1:22 of embedded highlights video)
From that same play, you can also see Hopkins WIDE OPEN in the middle of the field as well. Hopkins ability to open up the seam from the opposite side is a big deal as well for the passing game that may go unnoticed.

Also wanted to point out something from Moore's 'catch' he had for a TD. if you watch the highlight (the very next one after the long Zico TD before half), you'll notice the TE and LT both allow their DL blocking assignments to get in to the backfield....this is simply knowing Moore is that good of an athlete to do EXACTLY what he did in making them miss by using his speed to get the corner. Doing this allows the LT and TE to get immediately to the second level after those 'chip' blocks to seal the edge even better for Moore. Great scheme that I've never really seen before...and wow does that just put the DL in a bind.

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I wouldn’t want to see it all game but as a change up. To beat an Ohio State you have to Show something or adjust with something you haven’t shown on film.

 

[njm8845]

I wouldn’t want to see it all game but as a change up. To beat an Ohio State you have to Show something or adjust with something you haven’t shown on film.

Yeah, this is why I thought it was odd showing the couple trick plays when the ILL game was already out of reach.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Yeah, this is why I thought it was odd showing the couple trick plays when the ILL game was already out of reach.

Put things on film to make OSU think. I really liked the fact that Sparks was inserted at QB to run some wildcat after he threw for the TD...that alone makes the wildcat much more effective when they can't simply load the box. My guess is that could be a third and short look against OSU where Sparks is given the opportunity to either hand-off to Knox or keep it...then if he does keep, he could throw it to Moore on the edge or keep it. That is so very hard to defend if run properly because its is just very hard to account for all of that at once.

 

[CANARD]

Put things on film to make OSU think. I really liked the fact that Sparks was inserted at QB to run some wildcat after he threw for the TD...that alone makes the wildcat much more effective when they can't simply load the box. My guess is that could be a third and short look against OSU where Sparks is given the opportunity to either hand-off to Knox or keep it...then if he does keep, he could throw it to Moore on the edge or keep it. That is so very hard to defend if run properly because its is just very hard to account for all of that at once.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Moore throw his first pass of the season against OSU. I have a feeling Brohm's been waiting for this one.

 

[bonefish1]

If they are going do double or bracket Moore, that allows a lot of open space in the seam for the TEs to work. I think Hopkins could have a big day. You flood one side of the zone with Moore/Zico. They shade their FS to that side. Run short outside routes on the other side, with a back coming out into the flat, and you should get a mismatch with an LB on Hopkins down the seam and opposite Moore/Zico. Brohm would take that all day long.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Put things on film to make OSU think. I really liked the fact that Sparks was inserted at QB to run some wildcat after he threw for the TD...that alone makes the wildcat much more effective when they can't simply load the box. My guess is that could be a third and short look against OSU where Sparks is given the opportunity to either hand-off to Knox or keep it...then if he does keep, he could throw it to Moore on the edge or keep it. That is so very hard to defend if run properly because its is just very hard to account for all of that at once.

Right. The trick plays weren’t crazy innovative. But it will show OSU we have them and are willing to use them. As I said in the game thread, sometimes a fake trick play is even better than the trick itself.

 

[Purdue85]

Also wanted to point out on the first TD, Brohm had an absolute MAX protect on in that there were only two routes being run. Those were the crossing routes with Blough looking only at Zico coming from the short side to the wide side of the field. This is Brohm knowing that if Blough is simply given an extra second, Zico can use his speed to gain separation from the DB and Blough can make an easy throw given the angle on the wide side. Again, great scheme. Again, he had 8 guys blocking and there was just absolutely zero pressure coming from anywhere.

Correct, and 3 of the 4 dropping into coverage went one way, and Isaac "Zito" had a defender who was slightly rubbed off coverage. Great call at that time. Great execution. Great read.

 

[Purdue85]

Yeah, this is why I thought it was odd showing the couple trick plays when the ILL game was already out of reach.

The greatest practical joke is the one when they're most expecting it . . . yet it never happens.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

If they are going do double or bracket Moore, that allows a lot of open space in the seam for the TEs to work. I think Hopkins could have a big day. You flood one side of the zone with Moore/Zico. They shade their FS to that side. Run short outside routes on the other side, with a back coming out into the flat, and you should get a mismatch with an LB on Hopkins down the seam and opposite Moore/Zico. Brohm would take that all day long.

Going to this, I was really impressed with Pittman at TE. I know they were likely resting Herdman and making sure he was fully correct for OSU but Darius really played well and showed he can stretch the field and run routes as effectively as H&H. I’ll have to go back and watch to see if they used him during any running plays as a blocker or just inserted him on passing downs to judge his run blocking.

Btw, totally saw something Belichek do last night in the run game that I fully expect to see Brohm use at some point to seal the edge on some running plays in the red zone. They motioned Edelman in to just behind Gronk and ran the ball off tackle to that side. Edelman and Gronk then flipped their blocking assignments which allowed Edelman to block the safety and Gronk to block the LB and allowed them to seal the edge better. Great scheme that I don’t think I’ve ever caught before until last night.

 

[BoilerFYF]

Going to this, I was really impressed with Pittman at TE. I know they were likely resting Herdman and making sure he was fully correct for OSU but Darius really played well and showed he can stretch the field and run routes as effectively as H&H. I’ll have to go back and watch to see if they used him during any running plays as a blocker or just inserted him on passing downs to judge his run blocking.

Btw, totally saw something Belichek do last night in the run game that I fully expect to see Brohm use at some point to seal the edge on some running plays in the red zone. They motioned Edelman in to just behind Gronk and ran the ball off tackle to that side. Edelman and Gronk then flipped their blocking assignments which allowed Edelman to block the safety and Gronk to block the LB and allowed them to seal the edge better. Great scheme that I don’t think I’ve ever caught before until last night.

Do we have anyone injured besides herdman and worship (who will likely redshirt anyway per Brohm)?

 

[PaBoiler78]

I wouldn’t want to see it all game but as a change up. To beat an Ohio State you have to Show something or adjust with something you haven’t shown on film.

I would like to see Sparks in the wildcat ( a formation I hate) but instead of him running, have him take a step forward then go back and hit a TE seam pass.

 

[BoilerFYF]

I would like to see Sparks in the wildcat ( a formation I hate) but instead of him running, have him take a step forward then go back and hit a TE seam pass.

Wouldn’t be shocked

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Do we have anyone injured besides herdman and worship (who will likely redshirt anyway per Brohm)?

Keiwan Jones - Undisclosed
James Trussel - Hand
Elijah Sindelar - Undisclosed (have heard abdominal or rib-was available the last two weeks if needed however)
Brycen Hopkins - Undisclosed (I believe his has been a shoulder but I may be thinking of Herdman)

All of these guys are more than likely probable although I'd probably say Jones I'm not sure what the extent of his injury is. Trussel played with his hand issue and Hopkins I believe his has been something the coaches have said they need to monitor him weekly and make sure they get him to Saturday's as healthy as can be.

 

[bonefish1]

I would like to see Sparks in the wildcat ( a formation I hate) but instead of him running, have him take a step forward then go back and hit a TE seam pass.

I don't mind letting Sparks throw, but make it a really easy, quick hitter (like a TE seam route). You don't want him setting up in the pocket and having to go through progressions.
I Brohm wanted to get really fancy, put Moore at QB in the wildcat, run him on sweep, toss reverse to Sparks and then let Sparks throw downfield. Seeing Moore at QB in the wildcat would give the D coordinator fits and force them to move some defenders around.

 

[Purdue85]

I don't mind letting Sparks throw, but make it a really easy, quick hitter (like a TE seam route). You don't want him setting up in the pocket and having to go through progressions.
I Brohm wanted to get really fancy, put Moore at QB in the wildcat, run him on sweep, toss reverse to Sparks and then let Sparks throw downfield. Seeing Moore at QB in the wildcat would give the D coordinator fits and force them to move some defenders around.

Agree.

I love the kid's attitude, but I think there's a reason he was moved from QB to WR, and wasn't given an opportunity to show his QB skills last year.

 

[npb]

Going to this, I was really impressed with Pittman at TE. I know they were likely resting Herdman and making sure he was fully correct for OSU but Darius really played well and showed he can stretch the field and run routes as effectively as H&H. I’ll have to go back and watch to see if they used him during any running plays as a blocker or just inserted him on passing downs to judge his run blocking.

Btw, totally saw something Belichek do last night in the run game that I fully expect to see Brohm use at some point to seal the edge on some running plays in the red zone. They motioned Edelman in to just behind Gronk and ran the ball off tackle to that side. Edelman and Gronk then flipped their blocking assignments which allowed Edelman to block the safety and Gronk to block the LB and allowed them to seal the edge better. Great scheme that I don’t think I’ve ever caught before until last night.

It was a lead blocker on some of Jones's end runs. Norm

 

[BoilerFYF]

Keiwan Jones - Undisclosed
James Trussel - Hand
Elijah Sindelar - Undisclosed (have heard abdominal or rib-was available the last two weeks if needed however)
Brycen Hopkins - Undisclosed (I believe his has been a shoulder but I may be thinking of Herdman)

All of these guys are more than likely probable although I'd probably say Jones I'm not sure what the extent of his injury is. Trussel played with his hand issue and Hopkins I believe his has been something the coaches have said they need to monitor him weekly and make sure they get him to Saturday's as healthy as can be.

That actually has me thinking this team can make a run in the second half. We have a lot of depth when you consider the depth of most teams has a lot of injured players subtracted