The only thing that concerns me about PJ is that say he takes the job and turns us around quicker than expected. How long until he jumps ship from us to a bigger job? I feel like If Miles takes the job maybe he will try to end his career here. That could end up being better for Purdue even if PJ is the better choice.
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If that is genuinely the only thing that concerns you about PJ, then I think it is a minor one...as if he can somehow turn it around at all, never mind "quicker than expected", so be it if he moves on...as at least the program would be in a place where the position might actually be appealing or attractive to someone at that point, and if losing whoever made that happen is the price for making that happen, again...so be it...well worth it.
Personally, I don't know that Fleck is the guy to do it...I don't know if there is a guy for that matter that is a candidate that can do it...but, Miles brings credibility (and much needed attention) to a program that is sorely lacking for either.
What should concern everyone is if Oregon decides mid-week to fire Helfrich and it turns out Phil Knight has a boner for PJ....because if that's the case, it's over.
Possibility I think as most seem to think Helfrich is toast. Poorly handled if this is the case. The big name linked to Oregon though is Mullin. Not positive it would be over, PJ has always been in the Midwest. From Chicagoland, went to NIU, now coaching in Kalamazoo.
If he was at the point where he had rebuilt the program and being sought out by bigger fish, I'd say we're in a pretty good spot regardless.
Bigger job would be more $$ so if he does turn Purdue around, it would seem all our Athletic Dept has to do to retain him is pay him the going rate for a top tier coach in a top tier program. He could be the next Mollenkopf and become a Purdue and BT coaching legend. So it would be up to Purdue to keep him IF he is that successful.
Or he could be a Hazell clone! Would rather we hire a coach with more experience not one that wants his players to play in the water. row the boat,row the boat
I think Oregon will want Chip Kelly back after the 49ers can him after this year or next. Chip won't ever have another NFL job. Might as well go back to where they worship him. His ego will need the adulation.
Or we can hire a falling star that used to be good. How often does that work out?
Les Miles is a bum and if we don't hire him, he likely won't have a job come January.
They've been downright average the past 4 years with top 5 talent.
You realize we aren't hiring the Les Miles of 10 years ago right? He's not even the Les Miles of 5 years ago. Definition of a has been. Would be a disaster here. Would recruit well but squander it so bad he might as well not have even recruited!
Why isn`t his name being floated for other p5 jobs if hes so great.
If we are winning 8-9 games, and he gets hired by USC or Florida, that would be a nice problem to have.
Miles or Fleck?
Baylor has said Miles is a finalist. Miles is supposedly bringing Sarkesian (sp?) as the O Coordinator- wherever he lands. Getting (2) former head coaches - great exposure and awesome for recruiting. Sark won't like that you can't buy booze in Indiana on Sundays though.
Purdue needs to take a page out of Virginia Techs playbook. VT hired J.Fuentes and in his first year in ACC title game. I'm not so sure Fleck is the answer. imo Montgomery would be better choice as a HC.
Listen we need the right guy(Fleck) to row the boat, or whatever he does for as long as we can keep him interested at Purdue. There are no guarantees. Giving him a competitive salary which we will do, upgrading facilities which we are doing and turn this recruiting guru loose and get us some better athletes. THe key is getting the kids to come to WL and he can do that!!! He will flip the switch in kids heads about how special it is to be a Boilermaker again something we haven't happen here in the past 4 years. Give me a young guy who can recruit and build programs from nothing, he did that at WMU and he will do it in WLnext!!
Miles was who I think is over rated.Coaching LSU and recruiting at LSU would be like nite and day coaching and recruiting at Purdue. We need a younger coach thats hungry not one that sitting in his rocking chair and counting how much LSU had to pay his stubborn ass to get rid of him.Miles or Fleck?
Baylor has said Miles is a finalist. Miles is supposedly bringing Sarkesian (sp?) as the O Coordinator- wherever he lands. Getting (2) former head coaches - great exposure and awesome for recruiting. Sark won't like that you can't buy booze in Indiana on Sundays though.
Overrated?
Les Miles, 63 (on Nov. 10), Michigan (OL)
Head Coach -- 16 Years, 141-55 (.719)
2016 LSU 2-2
2015 LSU 9-3 (W Texas)
2014 LSU 8-5 (L Music City)
2013 LSU 10-3 (W Outback)
2012 LSU 10-3 (L Chick-Fil-A)
2011 LSU 13-1 (L BCS NCG)
2010 LSU 11-2 (W Cotton)
2009 LSU 9-4 (L Capital One)
2008 LSU 8-5 (W Chick-Fil-A)
2007 LSU 12-2 (W BCS NCG)
2006 LSU 11-2 (W Sugar)
2005 LSU 11-2 (W Peach)
2004 Oklahoma State 7-5 (L Alamo)
2003 Oklahoma State 9-4 (L Cotton)
2002 Oklahoma State 8-5 (W Houston)
2001 Oklahoma State 4-7
Assistant -- (more recent first) Dallas Cowboys, Oklahoma State, Michigan, Colorado, Michigan.
He does a helluva lot more than rock a chair.
This year would have made it 3 in a row of not winning 10 games with top 5 recruiting class talent.
We need a guy who gets the most out of his recruits...because at Purdue you're not going to sniff top 5 talent. We need a good recruiter AND developer of guys. If you've paid ANY attention to LSU post 2013, you'd know they they no longer beat teams they should, run a dated and inept offense and make Danny Hope look like a wizard of clock management. He's literally the opposite of the right hire we need to make and be good again.
Les Miles, 63 (on Nov. 10), Michigan (OL)
Head Coach -- 16 Years, 141-55 (.719)
2016 LSU 2-2
2015 LSU 9-3 (W Texas)
2014 LSU 8-5 (L Music City)
2013 LSU 10-3 (W Outback)
2012 LSU 10-3 (L Chick-Fil-A)
2011 LSU 13-1 (L BCS NCG)
2010 LSU 11-2 (W Cotton)
2009 LSU 9-4 (L Capital One)
2008 LSU 8-5 (W Chick-Fil-A)
2007 LSU 12-2 (W BCS NCG)
2006 LSU 11-2 (W Sugar)
2005 LSU 11-2 (W Peach)
2004 Oklahoma State 7-5 (L Alamo)
2003 Oklahoma State 9-4 (L Cotton)
2002 Oklahoma State 8-5 (W Houston)
2001 Oklahoma State 4-7
Assistant -- (more recent first) Dallas Cowboys, Oklahoma State, Michigan, Colorado, Michigan.
Calhoun or Brohm, This past saturday watching W Ken destroy Marshall was impressive, they are ranked 10th in the nation in passing, would be an exciting brand of football ,a quicker turn around, and keep our QB tradition alive.
Greg Schiano is the answer. Experienced HC and only 50 years old (vs Miles @ 63)
He checks all the boxes for me personally. Experienced, has built a program, CFB & NFL, solid. He's my #1 coaching dreamboat (I would be very happy with either Fleck or Miles tho. I just don't want a 2nd tier dud.)
He checks all the boxes for me personally. Experienced, has built a program, CFB & NFL, solid. He's my #1 coaching dreamboat (I would be very happy with either Fleck or Miles tho. I just don't want a 2nd tier dud.)
In terms of concern of being poached by another school, in my opinion that should not be a factor in choosing the next coach for the following reasons:
If it's because Auburn or FSU or some other traditional power comes calling because Purdue's been 9-10 wins a year and competing for conference championships, then that's a good problem to have.
If a Syracuse, Oregon State or other school which would typically be considered a lateral move is able to swoop in and take him away because Purdue isn't paying, then that would indicate Purdue is not interested in being competitive, and it wouldn't matter who is hired anyways.
If it's because Auburn or FSU or some other traditional power comes calling because Purdue's been 9-10 wins a year and competing for conference championships, then that's a good problem to have.
If a Syracuse, Oregon State or other school which would typically be considered a lateral move is able to swoop in and take him away because Purdue isn't paying, then that would indicate Purdue is not interested in being competitive, and it wouldn't matter who is hired anyways.
Greg Schiano is not the answer. He had a few good seasons when Ray Rice was there. He's an ego guy and can't back it up. There's a reason he's not a candidate for any of the big jobs this year.
It has to be Fleck or Brohm.
It has to be Fleck or Brohm.
Please oh please Mullen Fire Helfrich. I want the guy 10 years past his prime or (pick a number). Only 46+ players in the NFL is OK by me, including even if we only win 9-13 games a year. If we start the year ranked and finish 9-3 well OK. I will settle for the Group of six bowl until he retires and we hire the next guy.
Les Miles ceiling is 7 wins here. His offense is that bad.
Just imagine being just as talented or even more talented than our peers and squandering it week in and week out. Having top rated QBs and offensive players, holding other teams under 20 points and then losing to any team that's decent in your division?
This is post 60 years old Les Miles. This is why he's not a hot commodity.
You are incorrect about Schiano's record at Rutgers. They hadn't won 8 games in a season in over 2 decades when he took over, and he did it 5 times in a 7 year period. They were awful before he got there, and have deteriorated gradually since he left.
Fleck recruits Chicagoland too. WMU roster has 15 kids from there, Purdue has one.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/2711/western-michigan-broncos
Wait - there are football players in Chicagoland? Did someone inform the Haze of this development?
My concern is that he's just another Hazell with less of a commitment to academics.
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