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Ok for the last 2 yrs all I've read on this board is Shoop sucks. Which imo is deserving but not a lot of complaints of how bad our defense plays. It's about time to talk about not only replacing Shoop but also Hudson. Hazell coming in late due to coaching in bowl game costs him opportunities to hire quality assistant coaches. It's time to look for upgrades.
 
He's definitely been exposed this game. Too much cushion for their talented WRs. Not calling the right plays/personnel in the right situations. It's been twice where there's a long 3rd down and you have our safety's covering 20 and 40 yardsdeep when they only need 10-15 for the first down. We look ill prepared for what BGSU is throwing at us. That shouldn't be the case. It's not a mystery what's coming.
 
He's definitely been exposed this game. Too much cushion for their talented WRs. Not calling the right plays/personnel in the right situations. It's been twice where there's a long 3rd down and you have our safety's covering 20 and 40 yardsdeep when they only need 10-15 for the first down. We look ill prepared for what BGSU is throwing at us. That shouldn't be the case. It's not a mystery what's coming.

If you guys are just now starting to be upset with Hudson, then you're blind. It's been 2+ years of atrocious play on defense
 
If you guys are just now starting to be upset with Hudson, then you're blind. It's been 2+ years of atrocious play on defense

In his defense, Hudson has been on the bad side of a lot of offensive 3 and outs. Losing the TOP game on offense screws your D and that happened a lot the first 2 years here to squander some good defensive outings. That's not the case today. The D is just lost. Not prepared at all
 
In his defense, Hudson has been on the bad side of a lot of offensive 3 and outs. Losing the TOP game on offense screws your D and that happened a lot the first 2 years here to squander some good defensive outings. That's not the case today. The D is just lost. Not prepared at all


The entire staff is lost.

Can't sign enough talent.

Can't coach up what they have to work with.

Can't game prepare.

Can't make meaningful adjustments in game.

They are losers.

They need to go, now.
 
Ain't that the truth. Let's see how long it takes for Shoop to wreck Blough.
The steady decline begins next week as he gets more "coaching" from Shoop.
And how could any OC making $400k per year not see the diff between Appleby and Blough??
Unreal ....
 
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The steady decline begins next week as he gets more "coaching" from Shoop.
And how could any OC making $400k per year not see the diff between Appleby and Blough??
Unreal ....


I've seen all four of our QB's in practice over a dozen times. It's hard to tell how someone will react under game conditions. Blough obviously did well yesterday (for ONE game, against a mediocre defense).

Believe it or not, one of the GBI reporters said this when Billy Dicken was playing his last games "the coaching staff thinks that they need to go out and recruit someone, cause they don't have that much confidence in Brees."
 
Hard to see heart in a player, until you give them a chance. They all have talent, but without heart the talent won't mean much.
 
If you guys are just now starting to be upset with Hudson, then you're blind. It's been 2+ years of atrocious play on defense
Keep in mind that he (Hudson) was up against a top offense in the NCAA and held them around their average. On the other hand, our offense was against one of the worst defenses in the NCAA and we made them look good. We have to get rid of the zone read and run with the qb under center some of the time to give opponents D a different look.
 
Maybe so but he isn't making the plays when needed. Whether or not it's his fault I don't know. Hopefully Blough is the answer at QB
 
While sitting in the stands for this game, I was completely lost why we didn't call a timeout on BG's drive to end the first half. After the missed FG, they drove all the way down the field in about a minute. Here's a novel idea ... CALL A TIMEOUT and get all the defensive players on the same page so maybe we can stop them!!! I was beyond pissed off at this point.

Fast forward to the second half. How many times did we leave Dieter (sp?) uncovered right at the first down marker?!?! I've been trashing Shoop for a while, but the offense appeared to show some signs of life. Problem is - the signs of life came against one of the worst defenses in FBS so I'm not getting overly optimistic. But Hudson should have done a better job managing the defense.

Got to talk to Mitch Daniels before the game. I mentioned something about hoping for a win today and his body language appeared to say something to me. I won't pretend to know more than I do, but he seemed to be agitated during the game and kept moving around on the sideline to watch the action. Toward the end of the game, I finally saw Morgan Burke on the field. Just a completely craptastic way to lose this game.

Last thing - saw Isaac Haas at the game. I know he's tall, but it's impressive to see him in person.
 
The steady decline begins next week as he gets more "coaching" from Shoop.
And how could any OC making $400k per year not see the diff between Appleby and Blough??
Unreal ....
I mean that's kinda low/middle of the road. OSU qb coach makes more than he does.
 
While sitting in the stands for this game, I was completely lost why we didn't call a timeout on BG's drive to end the first half. After the missed FG, they drove all the way down the field in about a minute. Here's a novel idea ... CALL A TIMEOUT and get all the defensive players on the same page so maybe we can stop them!!! I was beyond pissed off at this


ask danny hope what the braniacs on this board would have said about that had they went ahead and scored anyway(think t.o. at the end of nd)
 
Ok for the last 2 yrs all I've read on this board is Shoop sucks. Which imo is deserving but not a lot of complaints of how bad our defense plays. It's about time to talk about not only replacing Shoop but also Hudson. Hazell coming in late due to coaching in bowl game costs him opportunities to hire quality assistant coaches. It's time to look for upgrades.

My thing is I did not know what Hudson was capable of or now, not capable of. I gave him a shot. I knew Shoop was a disaster and has been his entire career. He has never won anything, unless you count the fluke Bears 2001 season going 13-3 and getting drilled at home to the Eagles in the playoffs (followed that up with a 4-12), or you count one of the great 7-5 UNC campaigns.
 
My thing is I did not know what Hudson was capable of or now, not capable of. I gave him a shot. I knew Shoop was a disaster and has been his entire career. He has never won anything, unless you count the fluke Bears 2001 season going 13-3 and getting drilled at home to the Eagles in the playoffs (followed that up with a 4-12), or you count one of the great 7-5 UNC campaigns.

Still don't think Hudson is a bad coordinator....BUT we could probably do better.

Don't think he's in practice teaching kids how to miss those tackles and he's certainly not teaching his linemen to go to the face of their opponents.
 
Still don't think Hudson is a bad coordinator....BUT we could probably do better.

Don't think he's in practice teaching kids how to miss those tackles and he's certainly not teaching his linemen to go to the face of their opponents.

I have to generally agree about Hudson. I think any issues the defense may have are magnified because of so many quick possessions and TO's from the offense during his time at the DC. When the offense has been able to go a game without TO's and sustaining drives, the defense hasn't played all the bad and certainly has played well enough to win but are let down by the offense. I think the major issue simply comes down to depth for the defense and is why we as fans have seen collapses in the second half of a game.
 
I have to generally agree about Hudson. I think any issues the defense may have are magnified because of so many quick possessions and TO's from the offense during his time at the DC. When the offense has been able to go a game without TO's and sustaining drives, the defense hasn't played all the bad and certainly has played well enough to win but are let down by the offense. I think the major issue simply comes down to depth for the defense and is why we as fans have seen collapses in the second half of a game.

This week was one of the few where you could look at the D and go "yeah, you kind of blew it for us"

It was a joint effort between them and Paul Griggs this week. I think even with the penalties on the last drive for BGSU, if we go up 31-28 we win. The D was playing extremely well in the 2nd half up to that point.
 
This week was one of the few where you could look at the D and go "yeah, you kind of blew it for us"

It was a joint effort between them and Paul Griggs this week. I think even with the penalties on the last drive for BGSU, if we go up 31-28 we win. The D was playing extremely well in the 2nd half up to that point.
lots of times when FG's are missed it deflates a team.

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Ok for the last 2 yrs all I've read on this board is Shoop sucks. Which imo is deserving but not a lot of complaints of how bad our defense plays. It's about time to talk about not only replacing Shoop but also Hudson. Hazell coming in late due to coaching in bowl game costs him opportunities to hire quality assistant coaches. It's time to look for upgrades.

Hazell is AT LEAST a year late. You don't wait until the end of your third year to replace coordinators that you never wanted in the first place.

If Hazell didn't want them, he would have replaced either/both after year one….and after year 2 at the latest.
 
Hazell is AT LEAST a year late. You don't wait until the end of your third year to replace coordinators that you never wanted in the first place.

If Hazell didn't want them, he would have replaced either/both after year one….and after year 2 at the latest.
Agreed - Shoop sux but that ship has sailed.
Coach Nike Vest will sink or swim with the lot at this point.
 
This week was one of the few where you could look at the D and go "yeah, you kind of blew it for us"

It was a joint effort between them and Paul Griggs this week. I think even with the penalties on the last drive for BGSU, if we go up 31-28 we win. The D was playing extremely well in the 2nd half up to that point.

Stats tell a different story. Purdue's offensive statistics stack up better than their defensive stats.

Purdue's averaging a bit over 30 points per game and 420 yards of offense/game. If you're scoring that much, you should be winning some. But Purdue's dead last in the Big Ten in scoring defense (35+ points per game). To give that some context, Rutgers is 10th in scoring defense - and they're giving up 23.5 ppg - 11.5 points per game less. And that's just 10th!

This is how we rank in some Big 10 stats right now:

Offense
-Rushing Offense: 11th
-Pass efficiency: 11th
-Sacks against: 13th
-Third down conversations: 12th

Defense
-Scoring defense: 14th
-Total defense: 11th
-Rushing defense: 13th
-Pass defense: 9th
-Pass defense efficiency: 9th
-Opponent 1st downs: 12th
-Opponent 3rd down conversion: 14th

Special Teams
-Kickoff returns: 13th
-Punt return average: 12th
-Punt average: 13th
-Kickoff coverage: 13th
-Field goal percentage: 14th

Everything
-Penalties: 10th

Quite frankly, we're not good on offense, defense or special teams. To blame one or the other for our struggles is a waste of time.
 
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Stats tell a different story. Purdue's offensive statistics stack up better than their defensive stats.

Purdue's averaging a bit over 30 points per game and 420 yards of offense/game. If you're scoring that much, you should be winning some. But Purdue's dead last in the Big Ten in scoring defense (35+ points per game). To give that some context, Rutgers is 10th in scoring defense - and they're giving up 23.5 ppg - 11.5 points per game less. And that's just 10th!

This is how we rank in some Big 10 stats right now:

Offense
-Rushing Offense: 11th
-Pass efficiency: 11th
-Sacks against: 13th
-Third down conversations: 12th

Defense
-Scoring defense: 14th
-Total defense: 11th
-Rushing defense: 13th
-Pass defense: 9th
-Pass defense efficiency: 9th
-Opponent 1st downs: 12th

Special Teams
-Kickoff returns: 13th
-Punt return average: 12th
-Punt average: 13th
-Kickoff coverage: 13th
-Field goal percentage: 14th
-Opponent 3rd down conversion: 14th

Everything
-Penalties: 10th

Quite frankly, we're not good on offense, defense or special teams. To blame one or the other for our struggles is a waste of time.
Wow - those numbers tell the story. If someone can look at those and tell me where we're improving, I'm all ears. But three seasons into a supposed rebuild, those numbers are flat awful.
 
I think B1G team stats are pretty much worthless right now since everyone is playing different levels of competition in the non conference, i.e. if IU had played Va Tech their offensive and rushing stats wouldn't look as good.
Stats tell a different story. Purdue's offensive statistics stack up better than their defensive stats.

Purdue's averaging a bit over 30 points per game and 420 yards of offense/game. If you're scoring that much, you should be winning some. But Purdue's dead last in the Big Ten in scoring defense (35+ points per game). To give that some context, Rutgers is 10th in scoring defense - and they're giving up 23.5 ppg - 11.5 points per game less. And that's just 10th!

This is how we rank in some Big 10 stats right now:

Offense
-Rushing Offense: 11th
-Pass efficiency: 11th
-Sacks against: 13th
-Third down conversations: 12th

Defense
-Scoring defense: 14th
-Total defense: 11th
-Rushing defense: 13th
-Pass defense: 9th
-Pass defense efficiency: 9th
-Opponent 1st downs: 12th

Special Teams
-Kickoff returns: 13th
-Punt return average: 12th
-Punt average: 13th
-Kickoff coverage: 13th
-Field goal percentage: 14th
-Opponent 3rd down conversion: 14th

Everything
-Penalties: 10th

Quite frankly, we're not good on offense, defense or special teams. To blame one or the other for our struggles is a waste of time.
 
I think B1G team stats are pretty much worthless right now since everyone is playing different levels of competition in the non conference, i.e. if IU had played Va Tech their offensive and rushing stats wouldn't look as good.
I'd love to see more than this maybe a quarter/half breakdown, number of 3 and outs, opponents starting position, turnovers, etc, etc. I don't doubt our D doesn't give up when the game is over I have seen that with my own eyes, but the game is over because of our inept offense.
 
banshee, I don’t have the stats you are looking for, but here’s something along those lines (I looked at the FBS games only)...

-Marshall scored on an interception, at the start of the second half, and 4 times following 3 & outs by the PU offense.
-VaTech scored to start the 2nd half, following the PU fumble return for TD, and PU drives of 3, 9, 3, 3, 4, and 4 plays. Plus there were the STs scores.
-BGSU scored after receiving the opening kickoff, and following PU drives of 13, 13, 8, and 12 plays.

My thoughts:
-The offense appears to be blame-free for the BGSU game.
-I think the inept offense vs VaTech certainly hurt the defense that game.
-On the surface, the 3 & outs against Marshall appear to have been really costly as the defense got hardly any rest before having to go back out on the field on what was a hot day. However, also remember that PU “won” time of possession by 9.5 minutes that game. I’m not sure I can let the defense off the hook when it was about as rested as you could hope for during that game.
-The one disturbing trend that has nothing to do with the offense: PU has kicked off 3 times to start a half this season, and all 3 times the opponent has driven down the field for a score.
 
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I think B1G team stats are pretty much worthless right now since everyone is playing different levels of competition in the non conference, i.e. if IU had played Va Tech their offensive and rushing stats wouldn't look as good.

This is a fairly reasonable argument, but you're also assuming that our stats will improve. Do you see that happening? We have not improved through a season in quite some time.

We may jump a couple spots here and there, but we'll also probably go down a couple spots here and there too.

Yes, we've played a tougher schedule than IU. But our strength of schedule right now is 75th in the country. 9 Big Ten teams are between 60-100. Three are 100-150 and two are 30-50.

We can tell ourselves our schedule has been sooo tough. But quite frankly, it stacks up right around most other Big Ten teams.
 
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Our schedule is not tough. Marshall will have decent record against nobody, VaTech will be a middling ACC team and BGSU will not win the MAC. Hazell needs to stop making excuses and deliver. I am over the pretty white vest and other gimmicks. Right now this team is historically bad and struggles in all aspects of the game.
 
Penalties last week. Fumbles and what not this week. We need new coaching staff that teaches fundamentals.
 
I am a huge Bears fan - they won 13 games IN SPITE of Shoop, not because of him. We actually beat teams with the offense not putting a single point on the board!!!
right now Army, freaking Army has been fumbling only throwing one pass so far is losing 13-7 at psu.
 
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