Carsen has struggled the last few games while Cline has really played well.
Last three games:
5-23 for Carsen
Last three games:
5-23 for Carsen
Cline starting for CBoogie today...
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It was a reasonable roll of the dice...CE struggling a bit, Cline playing better...Cline with more length on players that might not take him off the dribble as much. Not sure how the minutes worked out adn if they ended up being much different than the past.
I'm more concerned that two games in a row and Biggie is getting about half the boards he was...
Painter should rip that page from his notes and burn it. Not one of his better moves taking out our only athlete to play a much slower player.
This goes down as the dumbass move of the year! Also, I don't think this is the right time to be screwing with team chemistry and changing the starting line-up! Morale is important, and Painter better realize just how important it is come March! If Carsen isn't starting against IU, I am done until we get a new coach!
No question Carsen played the best he has for a while....his time was due or some extra motivation? Don't know...just know Carsen played better this game than the last few. Do you know how his minutes worked out? Did he play less?
True, but it didn't equate to a win! How is our team chemistry coming down the stretch? That is why I think it is so important for Carsen to be re-inserted into the starting line-up come Tuesday!
24 minutes for CE; I think that's around his average for conference....wouldn't mind about 28.
Vincent Edwards led the team with 38.
"WHY" would you think not starting Carsen has anything to do with Matt messing up the team chemistry? I don't get it. I understand what Carsen can bring that Ryan cannot. I understand that Carsen has not played his best ball teh last couple of games and Ryan has. I personally think day in and day out Carsen helps the team more than Ryan, but none of that tells me how they have practiced and the overall game plan defensively and what they wanted to do offensively. The only thing I know is Wagner killed Purdue the first half, Purdue loss and Carsen did in fact play better than he most recently has. More concerned about Biggie not getting as many boards and then all teh things we know every game they must do well...
Purdue ran into a buzzsaw, but don't think it had anything to do with Carsen not starting or that a chemistry problem exists...particfularly since they fought and fought to get it to 6 with 2:14 to go before a hero 3 ball went in the final second...seems like chemistry problems would have had more quit in them
Bottom line is Cline gave us nothing as a starter so it was one of those things that Coaches do when they over think the things that got you into first place.
Could be and could be it helped Carsen get untracked? Again, none of us know the plans and how they have practiced...we only know that today Carsen added more. None of this is to suggest that coaches could not overthink...because they can
Tj, does Carsen seem to you to be a kid that will change his game based on bench or starter? Whereas Cline acted like a death row inmate.
I am just leery of messing with the starting line-up this close to the end of the season! Carsen responded well, so maybe all is good! At home on Tuesday we should be ready to play and ready to win! If so, then maybe I was overly concerned. There have just been incidents over the years when the team just didn't seem right. Like when we lost to VCU in the tournament, something seemed amiss. With Stephens last year, things never seemed quite right although that may have been less of a team chemistry problem and more of an individual issue. When Bryson was in the doghouse a few years ago, it just seemed to bring the team down a little bit. I just want us playing good and to be in the right frame of mind come tournament time! Boiler Up!
Carsen can change a game in a good way and in a bad way. I wanted him from the beginning..watched him some in high school and think he is a huge plus for purdue.
I'm not sure if you are stating that some kids do better starting than others...and yeah that is true. I certainly don't think just because Carsen played better that he needs to come off the bench. It was more about Michigan playing great than Purdue playing poor. If I didn't answer your quedtion...try again as I wasn't sure. I think you were quizzing about Carsen starting or not, but not sure
I think Matt plays the odds more than the gut...and each can work. Matt played VCU thinking they would eventually feel the purdue D as so many before did and VCU had no issues and never broke. Had Matt backed off the d...who knows? Course VCU was in a pretty good stretch for a couple of weeks.
just saw Matt's presser a couple of minutes ago and I think around 6:40 he is asked "WHY" Cline started instead of Carsen. He said something to the effect of the following:
Carsen needs to be more consistent. Never specified if it was only in the previous games or in practice that he has been inconsistent. Said when you change starters you hope the starter and the one coming off the bench do better...and Carsen did (close to teh quote). Went on to say he thinks Carsen is going to be a GREAT player in this conference, but needs to learn more consistency...which we all knew. Many people in this forum thought Carsen was capable of freshmen mistakes...and I was also concerned about what kind of D he would play...which on the ball has been pretty good for a freshman. Nothing any more said than what I "guessed". What wasn't said is that Matt errored on the side of safety I suppose by playing a player that would play within himself as a "starter" and not starting a player that sometimes gets reckless and has a few of those Oh $hit moments. I don't see it as a big deal since he played well within similar minutes he would as a starter and think Carsen will be there for IU.
The season is a long one. Carsen is better known now than the start of the Big...as are the other players. Some of the teams Purdue are playing has a LOT of incentive to play hard and Purdue has been playing hard for a while. Obviously these last couple of games won't go down as well played games from Purdue, although yesterday it was more about great play by Michigan than Purdue playing poorly. Purdue has a LOT of physical limitations. Wagner having a great game and making one of our bigs play out on the perimeter is nothing new. More often than not the last two years...coaches have placed people on the perimeter to draw the Purdue bigs out...but they were not as skillful in making baskets as Wagner was yesterday and so it never showed up. A couple of years ago when Purdue went down to IU and AJ roamed the middle free to help guard yogi by laying off Williams, I questioned WHY Crean didn't put 5 aroudn the 3 pt line since IU had more shooters and Purdue was causing a lot of problems for IU's offense. Could you imagine AJ guarding the three ball...but then again AJs offense was a plus. You see, many of us see what may not be working and have no inkling what might be a bigger problem not exposed by the coaches or what is working. Everyone saw the ball, everyone saw Wagner making shots and many (myself included) thought Vince might be better on Wagner ...IF.....Wilson who may be effective on the perimeter would not then take Biggie or Haas outside. Had Haas hit some early...how might THAT scenario played out?
I sure didn't want to see Purdue lose yesterday. This team has some good kids and I would like to see them get their rewards...even though Biggie getting rep'd for national player of the year was around the same time his boards came down...not that Biggie doesn't try...but what great incentive for the scholly's on teh other team. Thsi team has to play much closer to its potential than many in the BIG. Obviously MSU has talent, OSU has talent, Mich has talent, Minn has talent, IU has talent, MD has talent, Iowa has talent, Is Wisconsin with 3 or 4 players with FF experience less talented than Purdue? There are seven or eight teams right there that may have more raw talent than Purdue. How many wins in a row is Purdue capable of stringing together? Were they going to win out , win the BTT and make a run in the NCAA tourney? There sure is a lot of tape out there in how to defend Purdue as it doesn't take a wild imagination to understand that raw athleticism is a problem ...if they can score and Bigs that are a threat on the perimeter as well when playing Purdue. I like this team and this team is capable of beating a lot of teams, but is capable of getting beat by similar fashion if another team has the right players and Purdue is not on top of its game. When not phsyically gifted the room for error is small and the mental 4:1 may need to be 4.5:1.
Overall, this has not been a good year for Haas. Most on this board were wanting the players we see starting today because Haas was struggling with some things...AND still struggles with those same things. It is not as though he hasn't tried to fix some things. Purdue needs Haas...Purdue needs all of its players playing well and some are in a little slump at this time...most likely due to some bad habits ...and as always a little more I and less team...because that is human nature. Players hear things adn all want to win and be team players, but in a tug of war unless you just have more brute strength, it sure helps if all on the team are pulling at the same time. I see PJ who I think lowered his shooting pocket, shooting more of a small step back and less arch on his shot, instead of stepping into his shot. This year he is now known as a player that can shoot the three ball, but the short guy with a low release..."MAY" be trying to get his shot off with a little less room than before. Purdue has not played its best ball lately, that is obvious and there is some depth concerns for the Big that may make them not quite as effective on the D as they might with a couple on the bench to come in. Recruiting is paramount and Purdue has done better, but typically many others in the Big do better. THAT is the area that starts coming into play more this time of the year. Let's hope that Carsen provides a spark...
I think Painter was reacting to the Penn State game and trying to be proactive into shaking things up knowing Michigan is quite a bit better than Penn State. It didn't work.
I thought our biggest failure was not feeding Carsen after he hit those consecutive threes. The next time down the court Vince had an open look - and clanked it. I thought the team should have recognized Carsen was on fire and get the kid open and maybe a game for the ages.
I thought our biggest failure was not feeding Carsen after he hit those consecutive threes. The next time down the court Vince had an open look - and clanked it. I thought the team should have recognized Carsen was on fire and get the kid open and maybe a game for the ages.
Right after Vince's miss which was a good shot, Carsen came down the next time and had it blocked. Feeding the hot man is important, but not the total game. I'm guessing that the players that have played a couple of games also knew from experience that Carsen hit a couple of big shots and were watching him as well (both teams)...maybe why his next shot got blocked. Remember, the CLOCK was a factor as well and trying to find Carsen for a good shot when the other team is probably aware as well...would eat clock. Carsen played better than the previous games...random chance or due to coming off the bench...I have no idea as this has been discussed a bunch...none of that is why Purdue got beat though. Carsen played similar minutes and is probably back in the starting position Tuesday as IU tries to ruin Purdues BIG championship...with arguably more talent than Purdue.
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