Carsen Team USA U19 Tryouts
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He could start on a US all star team and might not even start at Purdue. Yet, not a top 25 team. Just like South Carolina wasn't last preseason. Purdue will be significantly better than last year all things considered.
Yeah well sadly that is the difference between Purdue and Blue Bloods.
I think it is interesting that he is potentially in the running to be the PG instead of SG. That should bode well for us.
I hope you're right. I really like what Purdue has coming back and the new additions sound promising, but replacing a first team All American won't be easy.
whole different style of play. Purdue has team play...U19 more individual play
I have a formula that makes it pretty easy to determine if a team will be better or worse than the year before. I used this same formula to determine last year's team would be significantly better than the year before even though they lost Hammons who was clearly their most productive player and just as big of a loss as Swanigan. Bigger even.
Agreed - and assume you mean that the point guard will be a shoot first/pass second guy .... on the other hand, a high-scoring PG is a trait of many great teams. I think he is smart enough and steeped in CMP enough to grow in the scoring role for the all-stars and bring the best aspects back to fit nicely into the PU team. AND!!!!!!!!!!!! ... this supports the opp that Eastern can be a swing-point too. So, two swing-points means neither feels like he must play "the point" and feel restrained to pass first.
I'm with you. I think Hammons was undervalued because of his reputation and Biggie was probably over-valued because he wasn't mobile enough to play good defense or be a rim protector even though offensively he had a great year. Next years team might take a little time to gel because of all the moving parts, but come tournament time should have a higher ceiling in my opinion.
Swanigan was overrated. He only shot 52.7% on 2 pointers which isn't great for a center, turned it over too much, and was inconsistent on defense. Haas is the direct replacement for Swanigan in the lineup since he was coming off the bench and getting less than 20 minutes a game by the end of the year. If you compared Swanigan's impact to Taylor or Ewing there might be a big drop off, but not with Haas.
It's not uncommon for a team to yield two starting point guards. It depends on the offense and the personnel, coaches like the options it presents. However, Mathias has a starting spot penciled in pretty much, 1st team all defense and his shooting. I like the added scoring Carsen brings at the 1 spot and Thompson being more steady coming off the bench
matt is on record as saying he wants to play 2 pgs or I would take that to mean 2 combo guards
Ok, I said it before. you start your best players. So nch who starts at PG ? Does loyalty win over and painter starts PJ ? Or does he open his eyes, and realizes Edwards is his best option, and he asks PJ to take one for the team much like Davis and come in off the bench?
if Edwards proves himself on the national team, you can't tell him in good faith that he is not the starter. Think of the impact /effect that would have on Edwards, the team, and recruits looking on.
if Edwards proves himself on the national team, you can't tell him in good faith that he is not the starter. Think of the impact /effect that would have on Edwards, the team, and recruits looking on.
Actually you should start your best team and "generally" that would be your best players...assuming of course they are best and versatile meaning blending and still best. The same player on one team, with different teams members and their strengths playing under a coach and his style could very easily have a different effective value than that same player with different team members and a different coaching style. All, that said I think that "generally" what you are implying in "generally" true..and no matter what there would be a lot of talk if he didn't start. I remember years ago when the Lakers wanted to get the best players at different positions..Chamberlain at center, Elgin Baylor at forward and Jerry West at guard and wasn't any better than that team with the dark green tennis shoes and parquet floor. PJ has been the consumate team player and no reason to think different.
Your question on loyalty has been answered many times since Matt has been the coach, as he had NO problem playing freshman over his older players. Many people thought IU was better when Blackmon was hurt...even though he definitely was one of their better players...the whole can be larger than the parts...
In an ideal world you get Carsen and Vince as many minutes as possible that haas is on the bench. Without haas/swanigan in the game we will need a perimeter shot creator.
He certainly was last year. If Carsen improves and becomes a better PG than PJ, start him. Until he proves it, play him where he is the best fit.
P.J. was already way ahead and he's working just as hard as Carsen to improve. There's no passing him this year. Carsen is working to pass Cline in the starting lineup.
He will. Different times. Worlds start first of July.
Carsen never played 1 in high school and was recruited as a 2 with the idea to transition to a 1 sometime at Purdue
Hopefully he can build a relationship with Langford and get in his ear about playing together
This is IMO the most interesting issue for 2017-18. Not only will you need the playmakers more when Haas is on the bench, but with Haas in the game the playmakers, particularly CE, are arguably less effective because he clogs the lane and draws the defense to the basket. Does Isaac make his teammates better - probably yes if you're a shooter, probably not if you are a driver. I fear the things VE needs to work on for the draft and the natural abilities of CE (as demonstrated in the U19 style of play) are not compatible with what IH needs to thrive, which is spot up shooters feeding him the ball. It seems the answer is above, to keep CE and Isaac on opposite rotations as much as possible. VE will log a ton of minutes and hopefully will find a happy medium, with more attacking style when IH is on the bench. And I love PJ, but a minute PJ plays with no bonafide interior scoring threat is a minute wasted.
I think Carsen can get into the lane almost at will..but he had a LOT of shots blocked last year as he was more finesse than power in his shot. No question Haas clogs the lane and THAT increases the difficulty for the driver, but if that driver can get "IT" on the glass Haas has a shot at the board..."IF" Carsen's shot is not blocked. I think Carsen plays a little stronger this year. What you mention with Haas is one of the reasons my "personal preference" is two really good 4's about 6'9" or so rather than a solid 5...but you adapt and go with what you have. The newcomers offer a whole lot of complimentary things to the existing players...
Not sure I agree with this. Name one player in college basketball that is better equipped to seal a lane to the basket than Isaac Haas.
So, because you say so, we should start a guy who had more turnovers than assists last year over a guy who will leave Purdue as it's all time ATO leader (who has also shot nearly 41% from three the last two seasons)?
And he made it
*Edit* Says finalists so not sure that means final roster or just onto the next stage
*Edit* Says finalists so not sure that means final roster or just onto the next stage
I think I remember the original press release saying 25 guys were invited & 12 make the team. That would mean 6 more need to be cut if my memory is correct.
It's great to see Carsen doing well!
Information: "Hey guys you have a very young player in Carsen Edwards competing and standing out among some of the best players in the country."
This Forum: "We will find a way to complain about this without end, and even fit in a Painter bash while we are at it."
I can only laugh at the absurdity of this thread.
This Forum: "We will find a way to complain about this without end, and even fit in a Painter bash while we are at it."
I can only laugh at the absurdity of this thread.
ChoiceBeef deserves a trophy for all the inside information he's providing. I couldn't find any info on Carsen yesterday. Let's not get too excited yet. Vince made it past 1st cut when he went to the U19 tryout. Making the final cut is the real deal. Starting is the most real deal.
Not sure if I found anything official but looks like 6/22 they will have the final roster.
Thanks but nothing I posted was inside. Simple searching on Twitter to the writers who were covering the tryouts.
Not getting overly hyped either but he is one of the more experienced guards and most are saying has shown he can run the show for this team.
Yeah 6 only guards left. Id think you would want at least 4. Probably more just for contingency.
My point was not to look at last year. but rather, if Edwards makes the national team and starts, I believe C Edwards will have had to improve his game a lot over what we witnessed last year. and if he has improved his game that much, there should be no question he should start.
With that being said, I see C Edwards as a SG, and I want Eastern to start at PG rather than those other positions suggested for him on this board. In my vision, it SHOULD be Eastern who beats out PJ with Edwards playing Sg
But as I said, first Edwards has to make the national team. And if he does, it will be because he has elevated his game and earned the spot. And if he has elevated his game that much, I think it would be a no brainer for him to start, and last year's mistakes were part of a learning process. and if he doesn't make the team, it will probably be because he's still making the same mistakes. and maybe as a result, Eastern passes Edwards for playing time.
With that being said, I see C Edwards as a SG, and I want Eastern to start at PG rather than those other positions suggested for him on this board. In my vision, it SHOULD be Eastern who beats out PJ with Edwards playing Sg
But as I said, first Edwards has to make the national team. And if he does, it will be because he has elevated his game and earned the spot. And if he has elevated his game that much, I think it would be a no brainer for him to start, and last year's mistakes were part of a learning process. and if he doesn't make the team, it will probably be because he's still making the same mistakes. and maybe as a result, Eastern passes Edwards for playing time.
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