Can Haas play against Michigan?

[tjreese]

He will be there, but can Purdue make his offense more effective than any perceived defensive issues away from the basket? I haven't really watched Michigan,but the very few glimpses I've seen the Bigs at Michigan seem to face the basket and be able to score. Purdue is thin inside and good minutes from Haas would be a blessing...and may not be an issue. If that match-up is a problem except for some player at Michigan...does fatigue seep in if Vince and Biggie have to go more minutes? I'll be happy if Purdue can feed the posts effectively and use clock which should also help set the D and make Michigan work on D AND go against a set D. ARe there any that have watched Michigan enough to have insight? Do the Bigs face the basket and will all the bigs need defended out to 17 feet or so...and if so...do we see "mini" ball by Purdue ?

Purdue has enough guards that I'm not worried about personnel as much, but with a team that is usually very offensively minded and typically likes the 3 ball...will their bigs be able to shoot and drive as they have more length than Purdue..except when Haas plays. Anyone with thoughts based on seeing Michigan a few times this year?

 

[77 grad]

If he shows up, I don't think he will go undetected.

 

[delish1]

He will be there, but can Purdue make his offense more effective than any perceived defensive issues away from the basket? I haven't really watched Michigan,but the very few glimpses I've seen the Bigs at Michigan seem to face the basket and be able to score. Purdue is thin inside and good minutes from Haas would be a blessing...and may not be an issue. If that match-up is a problem except for some player at Michigan...does fatigue seep in if Vince and Biggie have to go more minutes? I'll be happy if Purdue can feed the posts effectively and use clock which should also help set the D and make Michigan work on D AND go against a set D. ARe there any that have watched Michigan enough to have insight? Do the Bigs face the basket and will all the bigs need defended out to 17 feet or so...and if so...do we see "mini" ball by Purdue ?

Purdue has enough guards that I'm not worried about personnel as much, but with a team that is usually very offensively minded and typically likes the 3 ball...will their bigs be able to shoot and drive as they have more length than Purdue..except when Haas plays. Anyone with thoughts based on seeing Michigan a few times this year?

If haas plays aggressive he will overwhelm them and dominate

 

[meenie]

Their bigs cant guard the paint.

 

[tjreese]

If haas plays aggressive he will overwhelm them and dominate

Not worried about his O ...just want the O more + than teh D more- AND a lot of that has to do with the other members of the team. If eh is not mauled and if Purdue finds him and he is tuned in ...then yes, he could be huge , but he has to get to the other end and I don't know enough about Michigan to have a feel...I do about Haas. he depends on getting the ball and some of that depends on him workign on position and all of that could be a reflection of the idea the refs have of post defense.

 

[tjreese]

Their bigs cant guard the paint.

that was my guess...and can Haas guard the perimeter...or do their bigs not put the ball on the court? The glimpses I had...they did put the ball on the court. Very important to use Haas when he is in there adn if completely covered...hit the shots. My concern is the net + on O for Haas versus a "perceived" problem area on D. Still, not knowing Michigan I wanted to hear from those that have watched them some and I appreciate you and delish1 stating your thoughts. I guess we don't have many that have seen Michigan play much. Some of those poundings on good teams concern me on teh defensive end for Purdue

 

[*4purdue*]

Haas draws fouls like no one else. Their bigs tend to get in foul trouble. He could be a big factor in the game.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

that was my guess...and can Haas guard the perimeter...or do their bigs not put the ball on the court? The glimpses I had...they did put the ball on the court. Very important to use Haas when he is in there adn if completely covered...hit the shots. My concern is the net + on O for Haas versus a "perceived" problem area on D. Still, not knowing Michigan I wanted to hear from those that have watched them some and I appreciate you and delish1 stating your thoughts. I guess we don't have many that have seen Michigan play much. Some of those poundings on good teams concern me on teh defensive end for Purdue

I am concerned about Wagner and Wilson taking Haas and Biggie outside and shooting 3s and driving. Gotta pound it inside and make them pay on the other end.

 

[Roeder]

He will be there, but can Purdue make his offense more effective than any perceived defensive issues away from the basket? I haven't really watched Michigan,but the very few glimpses I've seen the Bigs at Michigan seem to face the basket and be able to score. Purdue is thin inside and good minutes from Haas would be a blessing...and may not be an issue. If that match-up is a problem except for some player at Michigan...does fatigue seep in if Vince and Biggie have to go more minutes? I'll be happy if Purdue can feed the posts effectively and use clock which should also help set the D and make Michigan work on D AND go against a set D. ARe there any that have watched Michigan enough to have insight? Do the Bigs face the basket and will all the bigs need defended out to 17 feet or so...and if so...do we see "mini" ball by Purdue ?

Purdue has enough guards that I'm not worried about personnel as much, but with a team that is usually very offensively minded and typically likes the 3 ball...will their bigs be able to shoot and drive as they have more length than Purdue..except when Haas plays. Anyone with thoughts based on seeing Michigan a few times this year?

This a good question, thanks for the post. Michigan does not have the long athletic type of big Haas has trouble scoring over(Louisville, Minnesota, Maryland,etc.) I think the positive on offense will outweigh the defensive liability, and if Painter is patient with it, this is a knife he'll want to twist as the game goes on. If I remember correctly last year in the BTT quarterfinals AJ and co were dominant down low. It seemed like it was an automatic 2 when we got the ball deep. Michigan even had Doyle then, who was a little beefier than the guys they have now. If Haas is dialed in he could have a big day.

Biggest key is what kind of peremiter defense will we see from Purdue's guards? PJ on Walton, Mathias on Irvin, CE/Cline on Rahkman (Sp?). Everyone will need to bring their A game and be ready to help off the ball and recover quickly on drives.

I'm really looking forward to how Purdue plays in this one. This is not an ideal matchup, but we will most likely see a team built like Michigan at some point in the NCAA tourney.

 

[Chauncey1986]

that was my guess...and can Haas guard the perimeter...or do their bigs not put the ball on the court? The glimpses I had...they did put the ball on the court. Very important to use Haas when he is in there adn if completely covered...hit the shots. My concern is the net + on O for Haas versus a "perceived" problem area on D. Still, not knowing Michigan I wanted to hear from those that have watched them some and I appreciate you and delish1 stating your thoughts. I guess we don't have many that have seen Michigan play much. Some of those poundings on good teams concern me on teh defensive end for Purdue

If Haas gets too far away from the basket, Wilson and Wagner will fly by and dunk. Probably a good idea to keep it packed in the paint. Mich loves to jack up the 3 and I believe we have the talent to keep them at bay. They will throw up some wild shots.

 

[tjreese]

Haas draws fouls like no one else. Their bigs tend to get in foul trouble. He could be a big factor in the game.

He could be a "huge" FACTOR. I'm aware of that. I'm also aware that it is easier to get the ball in the bigs of Michigans hands than Haas...just due to limitations. Haas could be the deciding factor, but Haas is much more dependent on his teammates than the Bigs of Michigan are on theirs...and we know running the length of the court is pretty long. THAT is why I think it is critical to establish an inside game as early as possible. If I'm michigan...I give up the open three and hope for long boards until Purdue knocks some down...but Michigan may think they have the bodies to come with waves of bigs and play Purdue. We all know what Purdue has...I just don't know much about Michigan...but has you say...what Haas has...Michigan doesn't...and the net effect will be interesting.

 

[tjreese]

I am concerned about Wagner and Wilson taking Haas and Biggie outside and shooting 3s and driving. Gotta pound it inside and make them pay on the other end.

absolutely my concern...and as I said...I don't know much about Michigan. I do know it will be easier to get the ball in their hands than in the Bigs of Purdue. Purdue ONLY has 3 bigs...that play meaningful minutes.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Why is this the first time this concern has been floated? MI is not better than many we've already faced.

 

[boilerzz]

Why is this the first time this concern has been floated? MI is not better than many we've already faced.

Who have we played with Wagner and Wilson's skillset?

 

[blockm2]

Mich loves to jack up the 3 and I believe we have the talent to keep them at bay. They will throw up some wild shots.

I'm curious why you describe an open 3 point shot as something that they "jack up" or call them "wild shots"? I mean the best shot in basketball is a dunk/layup, but the next best shot is an open 3. Michigan takes a lot of 3s because they are good shots to take, not wild shots. Even the big men can all shoot efficiently from outside. Donnal is at 46%, Wagner 42%, and Wilson 39% from behind the arc for the season. Those are good shots when they take them.

They have the most efficient offense in the conference (and one of the best in the country) for a reason. They don't turn it over and take/make a lot of good shots. I mean if you were to describe any offense in the Big Ten as jacking up shots or taking wild shots, Michigan would probably be last on the list.

If you want reason for optimism for Purdue, it's that Michigan's defense has been atrocious for much of the season (though occasionally good at times).

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Who have we played with Wagner and Wilson's skillset?

I don't think we've played a team that has 2 bigs with that level of skill and quickness.

 

[Chauncey1986]

I'm curious why you describe an open 3 point shot as something that they "jack up" or call them "wild shots"? I mean the best shot in basketball is a dunk/layup, but the next best shot is an open 3. Michigan takes a lot of 3s because they are good shots to take, not wild shots. Even the big men can all shoot efficiently from outside. Donnal is at 46%, Wagner 42%, and Wilson 39% from behind the arc for the season. Those are good shots when they take them.

They have the most efficient offense in the conference (and one of the best in the country) for a reason. They don't turn it over and take/make a lot of good shots. I mean if you were to describe any offense in the Big Ten as jacking up shots or taking wild shots, Michigan would probably be last on the list.

If you want reason for optimism for Purdue, it's that Michigan's defense has been atrocious for much of the season (though occasionally good at times).

I think that our guards will force them to take some wild shots. That's what I meant.

 

[tjreese]

If Haas gets too far away from the basket, Wilson and Wagner will fly by and dunk. Probably a good idea to keep it packed in the paint. Mich loves to jack up the 3 and I believe we have the talent to keep them at bay. They will throw up some wild shots.

...and so THAT story line will be important...go becomes effective...Purdue inside or Michigan Bigs hitting the perimeter shots or putting fouls and /or scoring on Purdue driving the ball. course, two more steps towards the threat and still being able to recover..."could" be crucial as well. If Michigan on senior day is cold that would certainly help...but are there only 2 seniors playing much?

Dakich gets to see his son, see his old asst. coach AND call the game. He likes Matt, but he could have a little bias swing to Michigan when announcing... which is okay, why do we care? be interesting to see what he says...

 

[Chauncey1986]

Who have we played with Wagner and Wilson's skillset?

Minnesota

 

[tjreese]

Why is this the first time this concern has been floated? MI is not better than many we've already faced.

There is always the concern about Purdue bigs guarding "face up" players. Typically, they not only have less girth, but less length. Michigan...outside of Haas has more length than Purdue ...and I assume can play facing the basket. Michigan has also shown an ability (I assume this on scores) of REALLY putting points on the board...which can maximize deficient areas on D.

People many times talk about match-ups being a concern adn that just means different strengths and it always comes down to execution...who covers their weaknesses best and maximizes their strengths the best. Purdue and Michigan can both shoot the three ball and so what happens inside? As you said the concerns are always there, but the "potential" strengths for those to show up may have a wider spread than many teams. One advantage of having big 4's or people that can post and face the basket and be a threat everywhere is the ability to get the ball in their hands in a scoring area. Nobody worries about Haas getting the ball 10 ft from the bucket and so the area of concern is much less than the concern than in defending Michigan's bigs that can score in a variety of ways...like biggie can score in a variety of ways..although I'm not sure Biggie scores off the dribble facing up and not sure if Michigan players can...but expect they can based upon what Michigan wants to do.

Those are a few reasons why I think this game is a little different, as well as knowing Michigan will be at home and not slipped up on..possibly why the bookies have it a close game.

 

[tjreese]

Minnesota

Well they certainly came to mind...particularly on D. Michigan may have more O and less D...but yes...Minny has similar length and quickness. Michigan may not have the power inside, but possibly a little more range...I don't know...and yes I thought Minny could be pretty good. This time it is on senior day and away. Perhaps Purdue jumps out early as Michigan is still celebrating...but this will be a dogfight and I hope I am VERY wrong and Purdue pulls away...

 

[blockm2]

Minnesota

Minnesota's big men have very little skill offensively. They are much better defensively, however.

 

[BoilerGal74]

Listened to Michigan's pre-game presser yesterday. Coach B seemed sincerely concerned that Haas could be a major factor. Was as complimentary of Painter and team as always but he recognizes Boilers are on a mission, I think. Guess we we know soon...

 

[Chauncey1986]

Listened to Michigan's pre-game presser yesterday. Coach B seemed sincerely concerned that Haas could be a major factor. Was as complimentary of Painter and team as always but he recognizes Boilers are on a mission, I think. Guess we we know soon...

Sledge hammer is coming to town.

 

[*4purdue*]

He could be a "huge" FACTOR. I'm aware of that. I'm also aware that it is easier to get the ball in the bigs of Michigans hands than Haas...just due to limitations. Haas could be the deciding factor, but Haas is much more dependent on his teammates than the Bigs of Michigan are on theirs...and we know running the length of the court is pretty long. THAT is why I think it is critical to establish an inside game as early as possible. If I'm michigan...I give up the open three and hope for long boards until Purdue knocks some down...but Michigan may think they have the bodies to come with waves of bigs and play Purdue. We all know what Purdue has...I just don't know much about Michigan...but has you say...what Haas has...Michigan doesn't...and the net effect will be interesting.

My only concern with Haas is on D. He can't guard on the perimeter.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

He will be there, but can Purdue make his offense more effective than any perceived defensive issues away from the basket? I haven't really watched Michigan,but the very few glimpses I've seen the Bigs at Michigan seem to face the basket and be able to score. Purdue is thin inside and good minutes from Haas would be a blessing...and may not be an issue. If that match-up is a problem except for some player at Michigan...does fatigue seep in if Vince and Biggie have to go more minutes? I'll be happy if Purdue can feed the posts effectively and use clock which should also help set the D and make Michigan work on D AND go against a set D. ARe there any that have watched Michigan enough to have insight? Do the Bigs face the basket and will all the bigs need defended out to 17 feet or so...and if so...do we see "mini" ball by Purdue ?

Purdue has enough guards that I'm not worried about personnel as much, but with a team that is usually very offensively minded and typically likes the 3 ball...will their bigs be able to shoot and drive as they have more length than Purdue..except when Haas plays. Anyone with thoughts based on seeing Michigan a few times this year?

I would say Nova's athleticism would have given him more problems but he seemed to fair well in the second half...same for ND. Our bigs will be ok if the team plays well overall.

 

[tjreese]

Listened to Michigan's pre-game presser yesterday. Coach B seemed sincerely concerned that Haas could be a major factor. Was as complimentary of Painter and team as always but he recognizes Boilers are on a mission, I think. Guess we we know soon...

He will if some pieces fall together...kinda why I started a thread on Haas. Good to hear the B is concerned meaning he understands that he could be huge...and so the chess match begins...and who executes?

 

[tjreese]

My only concern with Haas is on D. He can't guard on the perimeter.

Absolutely...but if his D is not strong (and it is not on the perimeter) and he is not a net on O... (a function of him and the team) his playing time goes down. Soooooo, he needs a good positive on O, because we...well I expect that his D could be suspect against this team "IF" Michigan is hitting shots

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

He will if some pieces fall together...kinda why I started a thread on Haas. Good to hear the B is concerned meaning he understands that he could be huge...and so the chess match begins...and who executes?

I think over the last few seasons, Michigan has become my second favorite B1G school. I have always really respected Belien but I love that Harbaugh totally sticks it to the NCAA all the time.

I am simply flabbergasted the NCAA has failed to take any action against UNC and Louisville but are looking at other programs for what I would deem lesser infractions and handing out punishment. The only thing can think of is that it goes deeper the more they dig and haven't found bottom yet on the UNC stuff.

 

[tjreese]

I would say Nova's athleticism would have given him more problems but he seemed to fair well in the second half...same for ND. Our bigs will be ok if the team plays well overall.

Both of those teams were little adn never had the length...and depending on the refs...quickness could be a huge problem for Haas. Today it is at Michigan with a team that will put two players taller than Purdue's starting lineup on the court...STILL, I agree the "TEAM" will be important...and the Michigan TEAM is NOT quite as important in getting their players the ball as Purdue. I fear an up and down game beside the typical stat areas for Purdue...none to say Purdue shouldn't push the ball, but all to understand the strength of Purdue and the limited position depth is the same spots. Purdue needs effective inside play and with Michigan focused on D and not just scoring...Michigan playing through fatigue by playing extended minutes on D that hopefully, takes a little off the 3 ball later in the game...no to mention that Purdue is always better in the bonus early and always better when the opposing team is playing Purdue with back-ups..and Michigan knows that. Can Purdue hit the three ball early and STAY focused on the inside and not commit to fools gold? Can Purdue balance the inside and outside game with some driving to the basket. WHERE does Carsen come into play...quick shots and long boards could be a great help to Michigan...but making Michigan play against the drive as well with the Purdue bigs walling up and Carsen playing stronger in going to the basket could be a nice side show.

What if we see MSU beat Wisconsin and look back to this day and say....no worries for the kids?

 

[Dakota Girl]

that was my guess...and can Haas guard the perimeter...or do their bigs not put the ball on the court? The glimpses I had...they did put the ball on the court. Very important to use Haas when he is in there adn if completely covered...hit the shots. My concern is the net + on O for Haas versus a "perceived" problem area on D. Still, not knowing Michigan I wanted to hear from those that have watched them some and I appreciate you and delish1 stating your thoughts. I guess we don't have many that have seen Michigan play much. Some of those poundings on good teams concern me on teh defensive end for Purdue

Wagner can knock down threes if he has a good step in. He will drive if given a path not requiring significant direction change. The 4 can shoot but strikes me as better facing from 17' in. He has a nice spin and finish off the dribble as well as a little fade.
Painter is just going to have to read the situation and adjust his lineup accordingly. Fortunately we have that kind of flexibility.

 

[lbodel]

Wagner can knock down threes if he has a good step in. He will drive if given a path not requiring significant direction change. The 4 can shoot but strikes me as better facing from 17' in. He has a nice spin and finish off the dribble as well as a little fade.
Painter is just going to have to read the situation and adjust his lineup accordingly. Fortunately we have that kind of flexibility.

Well, we have that flexibility if we stay out of foul trouble. Swanigan has had some foul issues of late.

 

[Chauncey1986]

Crash the glass and control the paint. Play some serious D. The offense will take care of itself.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Well, we have that flexibility if we stay out of foul trouble. Swanigan has had some foul issues of late.

You'd hope he can stay out of trouble against Michigan. Unless he picks up a couple impatient ones or charges, I look for him to play 32-36 minutes in this one.

We shall see.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Well, we have that flexibility if we stay out of foul trouble. Swanigan has had some foul issues of late.

True. Take him off the floor and we become normal sized immediately. Now that I see that in writing my only thought is "no $h_t", you are correct. We then can only play one way and Biggie then has to play carefully.

 

[boilerzz]

Minnesota

Who on Minnesota plays in the post and shoots threes and can drive to the hoop? Murphy and Lynch have made 4 threes all year.

 

[daisyrail1619]

When Biggie and Haas on the floor together, Biggie needs to stay outside to guard Wagner in case he shoots. Haas stays inside and don't get close to Wagner. Dakota on Irvin and PJ on Walton. Wagner is my biggest concern because he shoots. Defensively, he's on 5. Offensively he's a 4. But no pressure, we have our big. Haas needs to stay inside the paint to guard Wilson in case he dunks.

 

[daisyrail1619]

Just imagine inside Crisler, Painter keeps yelling Big! Big! Big! and Beilein keeps yelling Speed!Speed!Speed! to each other.

 

[blockm2]

Wagner can knock down threes if he has a good step in. He will drive if given a path not requiring significant direction change.

Wagner has no problems putting the ball on the floor and changing directions. He's maybe a little too fond of the behind the back dribble.



I think Wagner can and will take either Haas or Swanigan off the dribble if given the chance. Where he occasionally gets himself into trouble is that his dribble is too high and guards can swing in from the side and knock it loose if he isn't paying attention to them. But he goes right around most opposing centers that try to play him up tight on the 3 point line. He also gets a little sloppy in his finishing at times making layup attempts harder than they should be.

 

[tjreese]

Wagner can knock down threes if he has a good step in. He will drive if given a path not requiring significant direction change. The 4 can shoot but strikes me as better facing from 17' in. He has a nice spin and finish off the dribble as well as a little fade.
Painter is just going to have to read the situation and adjust his lineup accordingly. Fortunately we have that kind of flexibility.

any background on Wood?