Callaway retiring, but, Williams returning?

[DAG10]

Hard to know how much impact Callaway had, or, his retirement will have...an impressive resume, but, no idea how much he did ultimately.

I think the loss of Shephard is a big one potentially (it might be mitigated, depending on his replacement).

The loss of Lambert could be fairly significant, but, there are some guys still in place at least that do help to mitigate it, and, hopefully they can land another quality assistant on that side to replace Lambert.

I am a little surprised by the turnover, but, not shocked...something to be said for guys being picked up that have generally been successful...it would be nice to have some stability though, especially at a time where Purdue is in a position to have some success on the field and hopefully in turn off of it with respect to recruiting.

 

[Tommaker]

As of 2019 there are 21 asst. coaches making over 1 mill in total compensation. As that continues to climb, the players will see the opportunity exists for more $$$. And while no one has said it, I'd put money that there was 1 or 2 sharp agents telling players "Yeah you can play in the bowl...for a share of the gate." Gate first, then TV revenue.

 

[purduepat1969]

I really don't understand the retention of Williams...

 

[nat100]

I really don't understand the retention of Williams...

Good recruiter

 

[SDBoiler1]

Good recruiter

Knuckleheads don’t get it, but it’s absolutely true.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Good recruiter

osu cleaned some house in regards to coaches, and one was their OL coach, who had a rep as a good coach but didn't recruit up to their standards. Maybe bring him in to Callaway's spot

 

[nat100]

osu cleaned some house in regards to coaches, and one was their OL coach, who had a rep as a good coach but didn't recruit up to their standards. Maybe bring him in to Callaway's spot

I’d rather they repromote wallace

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Man.. you could watch our OL make progress throughout the year and it wasn’t a surprise that callaway played for one Paul W. Bryant … the bear

 

[BoilerN]

Man.. you could watch our OL make progress throughout the year and it wasn’t a surprise that callaway played for one Paul W. Bryant … the bear

It was to be expected because the guys are growing and reaching the point where they are ready to play.

 

[Purdue85]

As of 2019 there are 21 asst. coaches making over 1 mill in total compensation. As that continues to climb, the players will see the opportunity exists for more $$$. And while no one has said it, I'd put money that there was 1 or 2 sharp agents telling players "Yeah you can play in the bowl...for a share of the gate." Gate first, then TV revenue.

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that "business" is already out of control.

It's just a matter of time before it implodes, and rightfully so.

What a shame.

 

[purduepat1969]

As of 2019 there are 21 asst. coaches making over 1 mill in total compensation. As that continues to climb, the players will see the opportunity exists for more $$$. And while no one has said it, I'd put money that there was 1 or 2 sharp agents telling players "Yeah you can play in the bowl...for a share of the gate." Gate first, then TV revenue.

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Its absolutely ridiculous that assistant coaches are making that kind of money. Especially when you look at what highly qualified professionals make in manufacturing and other industries with significantly more responsibilities. Another indication as to how F'd up things really are...

 

[SDBoiler1]

Its absolutely ridiculous that assistant coaches are making that kind of money. Especially when you look at what highly qualified professionals make in manufacturing and other industries with significantly more responsibilities. Another indication as to how F'd up things really are...

Schools pay what the market bears.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Its absolutely ridiculous that assistant coaches are making that kind of money. Especially when you look at what highly qualified professionals make in manufacturing and other industries with significantly more responsibilities. Another indication as to how F'd up things really are...

Then cancel your B1G/ESPN TV package and/or quit buying tickets…

 

[purduepat1969]

Schools pay what the market bears.

Not arguing that. But when the market bears that much money for coaching kids, it's a bit out of hand.

 

[purduepat1969]

Then cancel your B1G/ESPN TV package and/or quit buying tickets…

Well, I guess that's one way to look at it...

 

[BoilerN]

Well, I guess that's one way to look at it...

It's the only way to look at it. Demand has created this.

 

[nat100]

Not arguing that. But when the market bears that much money for coaching kids, it's a bit out of hand.

Youre looking at it wrong. Its an entertainment product. These games generate millions for all involved except the players.

 

[purduepat1969]

Youre looking at it wrong. Its an entertainment product. These games generate millions for all involved except the players.

No, I don't think I'm looking at it wrong. I think fans are looking at it wrong. I'm all for fair compensation. That being the case, this type of pay sets unrealistic expectations for too many young men. My issue is a societal one, where an "entertainer" that doesn't entertain, rarely sees a camera, etc, but just teaches kids how to block, pass, kick, etc, is compensated at a significantly disproportionate rate vs the norms of society. It's a game. It's not real life.

Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of other people who don't deserve it are getting rich off this game. Maybe that's the problem in itself...

 

[BoilerGrad02]

No, I don't think I'm looking at it wrong. I think fans are looking at it wrong. I'm all for fair compensation. That being the case, this type of pay sets unrealistic expectations for too many young men. My issue is a societal one, where an "entertainer" that doesn't entertain, rarely sees a camera, etc, but just teaches kids how to block, pass, kick, etc, is compensated at a significantly disproportionate rate vs the norms of society. It's a game. It's not real life.

Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of other people who don't deserve it are getting rich off this game. Maybe that's the problem in itself...

Capitalism compensates people on the scarcity of their skill, not the social value.
It’s not a perfect system because it doesn’t always accurately measure those skills but the market deems these coaches as having a scarcer skill then other lesser paid people.

 

[purduepat1969]

Capitalism compensates people on the scarcity of their skill, not the social value.
It’s not a perfect system because it doesn’t always accurately measure those skills but the market deems these coaches as having a scarcer skill then other lesser paid people.

LMAO. There are thousands of coaches out there that have as much, or better skills than what you're seeing from some of these assistants. Many are coaching at high schools. But don't get a look because they didn't play D1 ball. It's not scarcity that creates this. It's self prophesizing by ADs and head coaches who continue to recycle fired assistants and continue to build up their pay based on who they say is capable. Not who really is. It's a club. It's not capitalism.

 

[Purdue85]

Youre looking at it wrong. Its an entertainment product. These games generate millions for all involved except the players.

that's because of their amateur status. Otherwise, they would be professionals.

 

[nat100]

LMAO. There are thousands of coaches out there that have as much, or better skills than what you're seeing from some of these assistants. Many are coaching at high schools. But don't get a look because they didn't play D1 ball. It's not scarcity that creates this. It's self prophesizing by ADs and head coaches who continue to recycle fired assistants and continue to build up their pay based on who they say is capable. Not who really is. It's a club. It's not capitalism.

Talent rises to the top. If those high school coaches were good enough, they would get hired.

 

[nat100]

that's because of their amateur status. Otherwise, they would be professionals.

IMO, it’s a matter of time before they are

 

[Purdue85]

LMAO. There are thousands of coaches out there that have as much, or better skills than what you're seeing from some of these assistants. Many are coaching at high schools. But don't get a look because they didn't play D1 ball. It's not scarcity that creates this. It's self prophesizing by ADs and head coaches who continue to recycle fired assistants and continue to build up their pay based on who they say is capable. Not who really is. It's a club. It's not capitalism.

Care to guess how often someone gets a job in manufacturing (or elsewhere) because they're in the right "club"?

 

[Purdue85]

IMO, it’s a matter of time before they are

could be. The slow, steady decay will continue, and that will likely be the final resting place.

 

[purduepat1969]

Care to guess how often someone gets a job in manufacturing (or elsewhere) because they're in the right "club"?

I would venture to guess manufacturing jobs, or any other, haven't seen the type of pay bumps that assistant coaches have seen over the past 10 to 15 years. It's called a self limiting job market. And coaches know that. But hey, justify it all you want.

 

[FirstDownB]

Youre looking at it wrong. Its an entertainment product. These games generate millions for all involved except the players.

The majority of millionaires that emerge from college football are the players that use it to get themselves drafted. I wonder if the student athletes without draft potential feel used or taken advantage of by those players the same way they talk about being used by coaches. Is anybody proposing a system where NFL players pool a portion of their wealth to create stipends for these poor college players? Are the same people that complain about coaching salaries complaining about Mahomes and $45 mil/yr?

 

[BoilerGrad02]

LMAO. There are thousands of coaches out there that have as much, or better skills than what you're seeing from some of these assistants. Many are coaching at high schools. But don't get a look because they didn't play D1 ball. It's not scarcity that creates this. It's self prophesizing by ADs and head coaches who continue to recycle fired assistants and continue to build up their pay based on who they say is capable. Not who really is. It's a club. It's not capitalism.

You first opinion cannot be quantified in anyway so it’s moot.

Do you honestly believe that HCs and ADs are going to pass up better candidates that would improve their team and make them look better because of a “club”. If they could identify a high school coach who was better than their current assistants they would hire them in a minute to improve their team and generate more money because that’s what they care about, performance and everything that comes with that.

Are there coaches out there that will never be discovered? Sure and that happens in every industry. Like I said it’s not a perfect system for evaluating that talent but that’s how the system works.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

LMAO. There are thousands of coaches out there that have as much, or better skills than what you're seeing from some of these assistants. Many are coaching at high schools. But don't get a look because they didn't play D1 ball. It's not scarcity that creates this. It's self prophesizing by ADs and head coaches who continue to recycle fired assistants and continue to build up their pay based on who they say is capable. Not who really is. It's a club. It's not capitalism.

It’s not both? Lol

 

[nat100]

The majority of millionaires that emerge from college football are the players that use it to get themselves drafted. I wonder if the student athletes without draft potential feel used or taken advantage of by those players the same way they talk about being used by coaches. Is anybody proposing a system where NFL players pool a portion of their wealth to create stipends for these poor college players? Are the same people that complain about coaching salaries complaining about Mahomes and $45 mil/yr?

IMO, there should be a minor league system for football. There wont be any time soon though.

To your point, i get why players get upset about no compensation given the amount of revenue they create, especially the stars. NIL should solve some of that.

 

[purduepat1969]

You first opinion cannot be quantified in anyway so it’s moot.

Do you honestly believe that HCs and ADs are going to pass up better candidates that would improve their team and make them look better because of a “club”. If they could identify a high school coach who was better than their current assistants they would hire them in a minute to improve their team and generate more money because that’s what they care about, performance and everything that comes with that.

Are there coaches out there that will never be discovered? Sure and that happens in every industry. Like I said it’s not a perfect system for evaluating that talent but that’s how the system works.

So how does one explain the pay increases assistants have seen vs pay in the general market? Are there now more schools playing D1 football that creates this "demand" that's raising salaries this much?

 

[nat100]

So how does one explain the pay increases assistants have seen vs pay in the general market? Are there now more schools playing D1 football that creates this "demand" that's raising salaries this much?

In the general market as in non sports jobs? They dont generate the revenue

 

[BoilerGrad02]

So how does one explain the pay increases assistants have seen vs pay in the general market? Are there now more schools playing D1 football that creates this "demand" that's raising salaries this much?

Number of schools is irrelevant, amount of revenue is what matters.

Why don’t you compare the tech industry’s salary growth over the last ten years compared to house boat salesmen and tell me what you find.

 

[FirstDownB]

IMO, there should be a minor league system for football. There wont be any time soon though.

To your point, i get why players get upset about no compensation given the amount of revenue they create, especially the stars. NIL should solve some of that.

Turning football into a minor league would destroy revenues. As much complaining as there has been about college athletes not getting theirs, they absolutely need the University brand for NIL to even matter.

 

[SDBoiler1]

LMAO. There are thousands of coaches out there that have as much, or better skills than what you're seeing from some of these assistants. Many are coaching at high schools. But don't get a look because they didn't play D1 ball. It's not scarcity that creates this. It's self prophesizing by ADs and head coaches who continue to recycle fired assistants and continue to build up their pay based on who they say is capable. Not who really is. It's a club. It's not capitalism.

This is a screwed up take by you. If these thousands of coaches you talk about are that good they would get promoted up the ranks. Maybe they don’t want the scrutiny or the expectations. The people you’re talking about don’t have to deal with the scrutiny and expectations of the media, hundreds of thousands of alumni and the fanbases. They don’t have to be on the road recruiting half the year or spend 20 hour days in the coaches offices preparing for games. They don’t have to deal with GBI, local reporters, National reporters, bloggers, TV people, etc., etc.

I don’t know why you incessantly harp about the pay of coaches. They get paid what the market bears. And the market bears big salaries at P5 schools these days. The TV money is enormous. The ability to build programs and brands is enormous. But can you take the heat? “To whom much is given, much is expected.”

 

[BCfanatic2020]

IMO, there should be a minor league system for football. There wont be any time soon though.

To your point, i get why players get upset about no compensation given the amount of revenue they create, especially the stars. NIL should solve some of that.

I know a few guys who were big time players for purdue and Illinois during the brees years. They pay for it …

 

[BCfanatic2020]

This is a screwed up take by you. If these thousands of coaches you talk about are that good they would get promoted up the ranks. Maybe they don’t want the scrutiny or the expectations. The people you’re talking about don’t have to deal with the scrutiny and expectations of the media, hundreds of thousands of alumni and the fanbases. They don’t have to be on the road recruiting half the year or spend 20 hour days in the coaches offices preparing for games. They don’t have to deal with GBI, local reporters, National reporters, bloggers, TV people, etc., etc.

I don’t know why you incessantly harp about the pay of coaches. They get paid what the market bears. And the market bears big salaries at P5 schools these days. The TV money is enormous. The ability to build programs and brands is enormous. But can you take the heat? “To whom much is given, much is expected.”

Biggest reason high school coaches don’t get hired more? Who wants to be the AD or head coach presiding over bad linebackers or receivers and they hired a high school guy

 

[Purdue85]

I would venture to guess manufacturing jobs, or any other, haven't seen the type of pay bumps that assistant coaches have seen over the past 10 to 15 years. It's called a self limiting job market. And coaches know that. But hey, justify it all you want.

there's nothing I'm "justifying".

Not sure where you're headed (not to mention, why you're headed there), but the issue for you first seemed to be the magnitude of the money, then the "club" nature, now back to the money.

How is the market "self limiting", and why should I give a sh*t about the amount of money they're making? After all, it's high pressure, high turnover, and carries many other undesirable features.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

So how does one explain the pay increases assistants have seen vs pay in the general market? Are there now more schools playing D1 football that creates this "demand" that's raising salaries this much?

The explosion in TV money.

 

[Wolegib]

If you don’t like it, the answer is simple…. Don’t support it! Where do the coaches’ salaries come from? John Purdue Club! Next time somebody calls for money, instead of giving it to the John Purdue Club, designate it to the Band or PMO or the Purdue Cancer research center. Or the library or engineering. If more people designated their giving to academics rather than athletics, academics would be considered as a greater source of revenue and thus professors and researchers and instructors salaries might even reach $50,000.