Butler upsets #1 Nova....
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We do live in a "what have you done for me lately" kind of world. You might not be to far off. I'm not a CMP hater but we don't win games like this...ever
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I love how butler plays. They don't have a superstar and play as a team. Anytime you see Butler on the schedule you know its going to be a tough game.
No Booth for Nova. Give Butler credit but we win if Booth is out. He killed us.
Butler has kept its secret sauce through several coaches. They have the toughness and intelligence Purdue used to have under Keady. IU had it too under Knight until he was consumed by his own arrogance.
I think the key at Butler is Barry Collier. The guy knows what to look for in his coaches and they in turn know what to look for in recruits. They have a system that works and they do not deviate from it.
I think the key at Butler is Barry Collier. The guy knows what to look for in his coaches and they in turn know what to look for in recruits. They have a system that works and they do not deviate from it.
The system was there before Barry. However, he deserves credit for the revival. I have a brother-in-law whose picture is on the west wall with Plump and Haywood in Hinkle that served as an "academic recruiter" for Butler for a few years long after his playing years. While working there Collier and the president inquired as to why the demise in basketball at Butler and my brother-in-law told them that the previous presidents had deemphasized sports and they said THAT was going to change...and it did. I was a Bulldog long before being a Boiler...but a Boiler first!
Right. I totally agree. Purdue had Nova at home and they just didn't give a rats azs who won. They were looking to bow out from the beginning with the typical end game choke beta male basketball routine they pulled against Minnesota. I too am not a CMP hater. Though, there needs to be some azs kicking on this team and someone has to do it. Butler has been to several national titles under several coaches and they're upsetting number one ranked teams. When has Purdue even sniffed that in decades? When has Purdue ever sniffed that even? We took a back seat with Glen Robinson on the team. Even our best teams can't do anything relevant and I am not trying to be negative. I am merely stating the facts. We can't even sniff Butler's smell floaters right now. That's the NCAA saying to Purdue you ain't nothing look at me. It should be a drastic wakeup call to a real team bent on winning. A championship bound team would be ashamed to see that knowing with every advantage we can't escape irrelevance. It is a mindset. And we don't have it. When I see Butler there is a team that wildly overachieves. If we had half the mentality or spirt they do, just half, then Purdue should be unstoppable with our guys compared to theirs. Its just the lack thereof that plagues us.
Butler has had how many coaches over the past 10-15 years and each one of them keeps that program in just about elite territory. Very frustrating to have CMP and realize we will only be the 3rd best program in the state most years (sometimes worse depending on ND).
We have a losing culture where people whine about how hard it is to recruit to PU and how big mean MSU gobbles up all of our recruits. Go tell that to Butler. We need a new coach and new culture.
We have a losing culture where people whine about how hard it is to recruit to PU and how big mean MSU gobbles up all of our recruits. Go tell that to Butler. We need a new coach and new culture.
We have a culture where we are the bad fans though for merely being upset about current achievement. We're bad for wanting more. It's why Purdue at home comes out getting smacked at home by a young Minny team when we are favored by 15. I understand upsets can happen, but not when we have a top of the line lineup on paper and they have relative junk by comparison. It's a group of underachievers. How else can we explain a 1st round exit in NCAA with Swan and two 7 footers, one of which was an NBA first rounder senior. To a no name bunch of miniature players D2 team basically. Meanwhile Butler is kicking Nova teeth in.
In another post I talked about Purdue settling for average and people jump on me. Excuse me for wanting more. I would love to have a team like butler
You guys would bitch if you were Butler fans too. I can hear you right now after they lost at Indiana State this season or when they lost their conference opener to St. John's. Chris Holtmann has never won his conference, conference tournament, or gone further in the NCAA tournament than Coach Painter. In fact, he's never had a season without losing double-digit games. But they are the flavor of the night so you'll sit here and feel sorry for yourself tonight because a team ranked a whole two spots higher than us in the last poll won a big game.
Sounds like you're accepting a losing culture to me. Shame on you!!
I certainly wouldn't trade 5 seasons for one Final Four. That's absurd. Talk about accepting losing.
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Butler amazes me. They always step up to the level of competition and play well in big games, regardless of who's coaching them. I was at the BU
mSU final four game and couldn't believe how composed the entire team was during crunch time of a FF game.
One of my sisters went to BU so I'm happy for their success. Wish PU could find that magic formula.
I do believe there's something to "The Butler Way."
mSU final four game and couldn't believe how composed the entire team was during crunch time of a FF game.
One of my sisters went to BU so I'm happy for their success. Wish PU could find that magic formula.
I do believe there's something to "The Butler Way."
I'll take Nova on a neutral floor in March against Butler. Nova is a really sound basketball team that is well coached and experience. They beat a extremely good Creighton team last weekend in a tough environment. Watching that game and they were precision down the stretch. Going to take a very good team to knock them off come tourney time.
Yep, I would take Nova on a neutral court too... against anyone at this point.
Yeah, I don't really care what others think about me being a bad fan because I am realistic and want more than a shared B1G championship and 2 sweet 16's in 12 years. But don't "fool" yourself... we don't have a top of the line lineup on paper or anything else. We have an absolute stud in Biggie and then a lot of guys who were in the 80 - unranked range. History shows you need a few top 30 or 40 difference makers or superior coaching to win big in March. We have neither, and assuming Biggie does leave after this year, we just get further from having that.
All you need to do is get hot and catch a bit of lightning in a bottle. Remember that Florida gulf coast run? I don't think Andy enfield would get us further than Painter, but that 2013 FGCU run was a thing of beauty.
LOL at this thread. I would LOVE to play Nova without Booth...Butler has luck. I'll give them that, but bobbing Holtmann's knob over this win? please...
Interesting you would use FGCU as an example. I believe they lost in the sweet 16 after a few good wins, right? If we finish with a 12-6 B1G record, which is about what I expect, then we will probably be in that 4-5 seed range and IF we can get past the first few rounds, we would likely lose in the sweet 16 to the 1 seed. I think our guard play is too sporadic to make a deep March run, but I would sure love to see us get further with the only 5 star player we've have in 15+ years.
Bottom line, Butler has been better than Purdue for some time...which is crazy to suggest, never mind it be the actual case. They have better and bigger wins...they have had far more success in the tournament...and they are anything but a flavor of the night. They did last night what Purdue failed to do with the same opportunity of playing a really good 'Nova team at their place, in large part by doing what Purdue did not (making FTs and not turning the ball over...and making big shots/getting big stops when it mattered most).
They did lose to a good ISU team, but it was at their place and in the waning moments...they should have won the St. John's game, as that was one that they simply blew...that said, while disappointing losses, 4-0 against top 25 teams (including three of those wins away from home) helps to alleviate that disappointment and is incredibly impressive.
Biggest difference with Butler and Purdue...Butler rises to the occasion and has taken advantage time and time again of opportunities afforded them (regardless of who the coach was going back to about 2000)...Purdue simply has not, whether it be Keady or Painter for that matter.
If you want to talk more than one night then Butler has been better than many programs both this year and going back through the Stevens era. No shame in saying they've outperformed any given program in that stretch since the list of programs that have outperformed them is a very short list.
That said, currently they are still ranked 18th while we're 20th and they have had a couple of disappointing losses this season already and we have people here just whining and crying about the gap between us.
Since I have my feet firmly on both sides of this fence I feel I'm qualified to say this...in a huge game I've always expected Butler to find a way to win. I've only felt that way with Purdue during the Big Dog era. I'm not slamming Painter or Keady, but I've been wired as a Purdue fan to almost expect disappointment. Expect and Accept are two different things, but the line between the two gets blurry after a few decades. Let's just beat the Bucks and the Badgers and worry about the rest of the season.
the bold part totally covers how I feel as a Purdue fan. I'm happy for Butler (unless they're playing us) as I really respect them. and yes, let's please go smash some Buckeyes.
Purdue doesn't rise to the moment. All they do is whimper like nelly beta males at the mere mention of playing an equal, better, or ranked team and they'll lose 80 percent or more of those contests when 50 percent would be average. The thing above all else Purdue is the downright gimp attitude of the players and it shows all over their faces. Doing physical destruction and damage should be the only thing in their brains out on the floor. Desire to beat the best. Nothing else matters then beating the better teams that's who a champion compares themselves to. That mindset isn't on this team. It's about setting goals to take down the best team there is and accepting nothing less. That explains why a first round humiliation elimination from ncaa happened last year under inexcusable fashion. They want to be somebody's punk and that's what Minnesota made them. All out or nothing at all. Without that mindset they can't and won't win anything.
The good thing is I'm starting to get a good laugh at many of your go-to phrases.
No...not at all...there is nothing to wonder about...they are well-coached, disciplined, fundamentally sound, and recruit guys that fit their system perfectly.
Didn't that Butler team lose to the same team that knocked out Purdue that year? Guess it's not who you play but when you play!
I don't think he's a "genius", but I do believe he's a heck of a coach. You do realize how small Butler is, located in the middle of Indy. Not a huge campus, but with a system they continue to follow for a lot of success. I'm one of Matt's biggest supporters, I don't panic when PU loses, and I love watching Butler play. And they do rise to the occasion most games, whether they win or lose.
This is probably the most whiny post in this thread. You whine about the players and the coach, and now the fans. And it all seems to you to be a personal attack directed at you.
Butler is the reason why IU might stop playing in the crossroads classic. IU rather lose to a top 5 team than to keep losing to butler or sometimes ND. Butler doesn't get the big name guys but they constantly play hard and win games.
Twin,
My intent was not to denigrate Butler in any way. All you are saying about their program is true. What I am attempting to say is that many members of this board, I don't think you, tend to extol the greatness of other programs without considering that they also are subject to the same failings which Purdue suffers. Purdue is 13 and 3 with losses to Vilanova, Louisville, and a 12 and 2 Minnesota team that quite frankly played out of their minds. Butler is 13 and 2 with losses to St. John's and I think Indiana State. I just think about half of our fan base over emphasizes our failures while ignoring the fact that their idealic programs suffer the same afflictions.
I understand your posting about Butler, and about some of the poster's valid or invalid complaints about the Boilers. I'm actually enjoying watching Purdue, Butler, and UCLA (never thought that would happen, but Alford is sitting on the throats of IU haters) this year. Wonder how many IU fans would swap the Tan Man for Steve or Butler's coach this year.
I said at the beginning this year that Nebraska, Minny, Northwestern, and even the Illini were all going to be much better this year, and it's come true. I expect Illinois to come into Ass Hall in Bloomington and give IU three straight losses at home this weekend.
IU will blow UI out.I understand your posting about Butler, and about some of the poster's valid or invalid complaints about the Boilers. I'm actually enjoying watching Purdue, Butler, and UCLA (never thought that would happen, but Alford is sitting on the throats of IU haters) this year. Wonder how many IU fans would swap the Tan Man for Steve or Butler's coach this year.
