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Brohm gets his grad transfer on the offensive line....

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tons of experience and more than likely a guy who will be able to push the offense to a level in the fall that Brohm couldn't get in the spring. Adding in the number of WR's that should be able to get snaps, I am guessing the offense may end up being a very effective unit. This is the player that I felt Brohm needed to grab to ensure his first season is as successful as possible. I'll hold total judgement until I am able to see some film or this guy in person, but if he is able to overtake a starting position as a tackle...Brohm could see his win total get near the bowl eligible range as Purdue COULD conceivably get to 2-1 in the non-conference. If Brohm gets 4 wins, I think you have to consider the season a successful one with an easier schedule in 2018 (Eastern Michigan, BC, and Missouri all at home in the non-conference).
 
tons of experience and more than likely a guy who will be able to push the offense to a level in the fall that Brohm couldn't get in the spring. Adding in the number of WR's that should be able to get snaps, I am guessing the offense may end up being a very effective unit. This is the player that I felt Brohm needed to grab to ensure his first season is as successful as possible. I'll hold total judgement until I am able to see some film or this guy in person, but if he is able to overtake a starting position as a tackle...Brohm could see his win total get near the bowl eligible range as Purdue COULD conceivably get to 2-1 in the non-conference. If Brohm gets 4 wins, I think you have to consider the season a successful one with an easier schedule in 2018 (Eastern Michigan, BC, and Missouri all at home in the non-conference).
Where does this put us scholarship wise?
 
the last scholarship count had us at 2-4 over. it was said Brohm was planning on losing a couple players. I haven't seen any announcements yet.

This move kind of surprises me but not really. Unlike Hazell, since his arrival, Brohm has taken a win now approach. Where he sees a big need/hole, he has gone the juco and transfer route to bring in immediate and experienced help. He was definitely not happy with the offensive line for the Spring game. I have never seen a Purdue coach go after and sign so many juco and grad transfer players in the same year. Brohm now has 4 grad transfers for next year.

Purdue is already over its scholarship limit by 2,3 or now 4 players. I have to believe it's possible 1-2 of his incoming recruits didn't qualify academically and may be headed to a junior college. I also believe 1-2 players may just leave or be dropped.

Brohm still has 3 other offensive line recruits that didn't play in the Spring game and will arrive this Summer. If you followed this board, there was a poster who kept saying this guy's name and he'd be coming to Purdue. And now he is. Could it be he had to graduate first before announcing coming to Purdue? or that brohm told him last January, he'd give him a scholarship if he had one to give? Either way, this is a kid brohm was recruiting in January and is now being given an offer.

I will say this much: brohm is taking a win now approach rather than another 5 year rebuilding plan philosophy. and that's exactly what Purdue needs to win back the fan base, and improve recruiting - to WIN now.

I still see a possibility of winning 2 preseason games. and a possibility of winning 3-4 BIG 10 games. IU, U of I, Rutgers and Minn. I don't see minn being as good as their previous record would lead people to believe. The mizzoo game is a critical turning point game. if Purdue can pull a win in that game, I could see momentum carrying us to 6 wins. If Purdue loses that game , I see 3-4 wins max.
 
the last scholarship count had us at 2-4 over. it was said Brohm was planning on losing a couple players. I haven't seen any announcements yet.

This move kind of surprises me but not really. Unlike Hazell, since his arrival, Brohm has taken a win now approach. Where he sees a big need/hole, he has gone the juco and transfer route to bring in immediate and experienced help. He was definitely not happy with the offensive line for the Spring game. I have never seen a Purdue coach go after and sign so many juco and grad transfer players in the same year. Brohm now has 4 grad transfers for next year.

Purdue is already over its scholarship limit by 2,3 or now 4 players. I have to believe it's possible 1-2 of his incoming recruits didn't qualify academically and may be headed to a junior college. I also believe 1-2 players may just leave or be dropped.

Brohm still has 3 other offensive line recruits that didn't play in the Spring game and will arrive this Summer. If you followed this board, there was a poster who kept saying this guy's name and he'd be coming to Purdue. And now he is. Could it be he had to graduate first before announcing coming to Purdue? or that brohm told him last January, he'd give him a scholarship if he had one to give? Either way, this is a kid brohm was recruiting in January and is now being given an offer.

I will say this much: brohm is taking a win now approach rather than another 5 year rebuilding plan philosophy. and that's exactly what Purdue needs to win back the fan base, and improve recruiting - to WIN now.

I still see a possibility of winning 2 preseason games. and a possibility of winning 3-4 BIG 10 games. IU, U of I, Rutgers and Minn. I don't see minn being as good as their previous record would lead people to believe. The mizzoo game is a critical turning point game. if Purdue can pull a win in that game, I could see momentum carrying us to 6 wins. If Purdue loses that game , I see 3-4 wins max.

I think Purdue has a decent chance to win at Missouri given they struggled last year to a 4-8 record. Now, they did seem competitive in their games they lost but that was with what I would consider a very weak SEC schedule. Any of their games of significance, they got hammered (LSU 42-7)(Tennessee 63-37)(Florida 40-14). Their incoming class of freshman did rank 48th and we obviously know that Brohm has a large gap to make up...but with the influx of talent coming in with graduate transfers and what has been touted as a coaching staff that has shown an ability to scheme itself in to competitive games...Purdue could steal one early in the season. That could lead to a 2-1 non-conference as you stated....however, I think a realistic number would be 1-2 (win against Ohio) with 3 wins in the conference (IU, Illini, Rutgers).
 
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I don't think its purely a win now approach. I think the roster is just that bad. It'll be interesting to see who gets weeded out.

I think you'll see WR's and DB's weeded out quickly this summer. I'll be interested to see where those that get weeded out end up. My guess is many of them will land in some very unfamiliar places in division 2...which speaks of the lack of talented depth at those positions.
 
I think Purdue has a decent chance to win at Missouri given they struggled last year to a 4-8 record. Now, they did seem competitive in their games they lost but that was with what I would consider a very weak SEC schedule. Any of their games of significance, they got hammered (LSU 42-7)(Tennessee 63-37)(Florida 40-14). Their incoming class of freshman did rank 48th and we obviously know that Brohm has a large gap to make up...but with the influx of talent coming in with graduate transfers and what has been touted as a coaching staff that has shown an ability to scheme itself in to competitive games...Purdue could steal one early in the season. That could lead to a 2-1 non-conference as you stated....however, I think a realistic number would be 1-2 (win against Ohio) with 3 wins in the conference (IU, Illini, Rutgers).
If Purdue wins those games,I will take it and run with it.I don't think IU ,Illinois or Rutgers are unbeatable .
 
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If Purdue wins those games,I will take it and run with it.I don't think IU ,Illinois or Rutgers are unbeatable .

I think the fact that with Parker in charge, Purdue was able to hang with teams in the first half much better than it was under Hazell bodes well for Brohm and his staff. One literally can't argue the fact that Brohm and his staff are light years ahead of staff Hazell put together...that alone may get Purdue to the 4th quarter within striking distance. At that point, with Brohm's offensive prowess...I'd take that every day of the week no matter the results against similar or better programs.
 
I think the fact that with Parker in charge, Purdue was able to hang with teams in the first half much better than it was under Hazell bodes well for Brohm and his staff. One literally can't argue the fact that Brohm and his staff are light years ahead of staff Hazell put together...that alone may get Purdue to the 4th quarter within striking distance. At that point, with Brohm's offensive prowess...I'd take that every day of the week no matter the results against similar or better programs.

HUGE difference between being competitive for a half and winning games.
 
Brohm's hiring doesn't fix the roster depth issues which basically explains why we could only hang with teams for one half. So you're not going to see that much of a difference performance wise from last year to this year.
 
I hope he becomes a first round draft choice but it's hard for me to get too excited about a transfer from Rhode Island. That's really a testimonial about how bad our OL is.
 
HUGE difference between being competitive for a half and winning games.
Which I totally agree with you on that point. That is why I made the statement that with the massively improved coaching staff and the influx of talent at identified needed areas, if Brohm can get the team to the 4th quarter...I like our chances this next season against similar or better programs. At this point, that would constitute every program on our schedule next season with the exception of Ohio.

If Purdue goes 1-11 BUT doesn't get blown out and maintains every loss within single digits....would you be a happy fan?
 
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Which I totally agree with you on that point. That is why I made the statement that with the massively improved coaching staff and the influx of talent at identified needed areas, if Brohm can get the team to the 4th quarter...I like our chances this next season against similar or better programs. At this point, that would constitute every program on our schedule next season with the exception of Ohio.

If Purdue goes 1-11 BUT doesn't get blown out and maintains every loss within single digits....would you be a happy fan?

my answer to that would be NO ! And my argument would be a loss is still a loss. And if we wanted to go 1-11, why would we bother firing Hazell? I said the same thing when we fired Hope. The goal should always be to win rather than to be a competitive loser.
 
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my answer to that would be NO ! And my argument would be a loss is still a loss. And if we wanted to go 1-11, why would we bother firing Hazell? I said the same thing when we fired Hope. The goal should always be to win rather than to be a competitive loser.

So I'll build on this then...would you accept 1-11 next season with an arguably very hard schedule if it meant the next season meant better recruiting (top 50 class) and a win total of 5?
 
Honestly, all I've ever asked for is good, competitive football. If we show up, play hard, play smart, and compete then I'll ultimately be pretty satisfied even if we fall short most of the time. Sure, I'd love to see us win every game but I realize this rebuild is a process, we have a daunting schedule this year, and other programs are trying to win also. I'm going into the season without much in the way of expectations. I always have to wonder why people want to set their expectations before the roster is even finalized. We have a brand new coaching staff and it's May. I'm going to let it play out a bit before I throw out some magical win total that I'm willing to "accept" as if what we're willing to "accept" is of any importance to anyone right now.
 
Honestly, all I've ever asked for is good, competitive football. If we show up, play hard, play smart, and compete then I'll ultimately be pretty satisfied even if we fall short most of the time. Sure, I'd love to see us win every game but I realize this rebuild is a process, we have a daunting schedule this year, and other programs are trying to win also. I'm going into the season without much in the way of expectations. I always have to wonder why people want to set their expectations before the roster is even finalized. We have a brand new coaching staff and it's May. I'm going to let it play out a bit before I throw out some magical win total that I'm willing to "accept" as if what we're willing to "accept" is of any importance to anyone right now.
And if we don't accept it... FIRE BROHM AND BOBINSKI!!!!!!
 
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Honestly, all I've ever asked for is good, competitive football. If we show up, play hard, play smart, and compete then I'll ultimately be pretty satisfied even if we fall short most of the time. Sure, I'd love to see us win every game but I realize this rebuild is a process, we have a daunting schedule this year, and other programs are trying to win also. I'm going into the season without much in the way of expectations. I always have to wonder why people want to set their expectations before the roster is even finalized. We have a brand new coaching staff and it's May. I'm going to let it play out a bit before I throw out some magical win total that I'm willing to "accept" as if what we're willing to "accept" is of any importance to anyone right now.
So true TC4.....Purdue`s coaching,recruiting, discipline and play on the field has been so poor for so long, I honestly just want to watch a good clean game executed by our football team.
I was working on my masters in Muncie when Rick Majerus took over for Al Brown...Basketball vs. Football comparison I know but to see a coach that truly knew what he was doing and to coach a team that had very little talent to a near 500 season was an amazing thing to watch...Now lets see if JB can have an impact even close to RM.
 
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let's throw some factors out there. I'm not saying I expect Purdue to win 6 games. I see 6 games that are winnable. I think most of us will agree Brohm was one of the better coaches available and better than Hazell. brohm has recruited bunch of grad transfers and jucos who should be immediate contributors rather than redshirting. is Jones healthy? We added both experience and talent to our defensive backfield, and linebacking should be improved. Our wide receiver core despite their youth should be one of our strengths. Our biggest glaring weakness is our offensive line. and we now have 4 incoming offensive linemen. We replaced our entire coaching staff.

We've done a lot to improve our team. I hate to blame Hazell for this year's results, because Brohm replaced a lot of Hazell's recruits, and a lot of Hazell's other players left. After a while it got old blaming Bush for everything that was bad in America. at some point in time, you have to take ownership and say this is my team. And I believe Brohm has done so. If the team fails, I believe Brohm will take ownership and responsibility for the loss. these are the players brohm wanted to fit his system. and his recruitment of grad transfers and jucos to me indicates he doesn't want to have another 4 year building process. he's looking for a quick turn around.

With that said, if all of brohm's recruits were all high school seniors, I would expect another long rebuilding process and a 1-11 season. but they're not. that's why I would be very disappointed if this team went only 1-11. to put forth as much effort as brohm has, and to produce the same results would be both disappointing and heartbreaking. and I've said it before, the only stat that has any meaning is the W. being a competitive loser is still a loser . it's the difference in being Michael Jordan and Karl Malone! When we talk about putting some excitement back in a game, that doesn't mean being ahead for 3 quarters and fading in the 4th. We mean winning ugly and pulling a close game out of the jaws of defeat to victory. The goal posts are not going to come down if we have a 21 point 3rd quarter lead and win by 10. They will come down if we beat IU on a last second play.

I've finished second in life a lot. Second place and being competitive is still a losing feeling. Winning ugly is tremendous. Green Bay against Dallas in the Ice Bowl 1964. Dallas won all the statistical comparisons, and played a tremendous game. But Green Bay won and the game became a legendary moment in NFL history. Go out and ask any Dallas fan if they were happy and proud of their team for being competitive but losing that game. And that's how I grew up. it doesn't matter what the score or stats are. losing is still losing, and winning is everything. Just ask a buffalo bills or Vikings fan how they feel about competitive losses. I'd bet they'd trade 20 losing seasons for just 1 Super bowl victory. Joe Namoth won one very ugly championship game. Fran Tarkington looked great in 4 losses.

My son is competing today in the MVC outdoor track championships. I think he'd trade all his personal bests for a win!
 
So..... if you aren't first, you're last.


yes. !!!!!
if there are 5 very qualified people who go for an interview, one will get the job, and the other 4 will all feel the same and all 4 no matter how qualified will still be unemployed. In this instance coming in second is the same as coming in last.

The Cubs had some great winning seasons, but they were called and considered as losers until they won a championship. Just ask a CUbs fan how they felt in 69 and 83 and 2011. Were they treated any different? Were they treated with more respect because they almost won? Was the feeling the same ?

closer to home. Purdue almost beat IU last year. The game was close. the team gave 125% trying to win. if Purdue had won, would you care about the score or the stats ? I doubt it. You'd either be drunk or trolling Peegs site. Find me a guy who would have cared about the score if Purdue had won. I can find a lot of people say, but the game was close and we almost won. but those people would only be Purdue fans. Everybody outside of Purdue would have said, oh well, another loss.

I'm sorry, participation trophies are nice, but they don't come close to winning.
 
I don't think its purely a win now approach. I think the roster is just that bad. It'll be interesting to see who gets weeded out.
I think that a "win now" and "the roster is just that bad" are the same. We need dramatic roster changes in order to win now.
 
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let's throw some factors out there. I'm not saying I expect Purdue to win 6 games. I see 6 games that are winnable. I think most of us will agree Brohm was one of the better coaches available and better than Hazell. brohm has recruited bunch of grad transfers and jucos who should be immediate contributors rather than redshirting. is Jones healthy? We added both experience and talent to our defensive backfield, and linebacking should be improved. Our wide receiver core despite their youth should be one of our strengths. Our biggest glaring weakness is our offensive line. and we now have 4 incoming offensive linemen. We replaced our entire coaching staff.

We've done a lot to improve our team. I hate to blame Hazell for this year's results, because Brohm replaced a lot of Hazell's recruits, and a lot of Hazell's other players left. After a while it got old blaming Bush for everything that was bad in America. at some point in time, you have to take ownership and say this is my team. And I believe Brohm has done so. If the team fails, I believe Brohm will take ownership and responsibility for the loss. these are the players brohm wanted to fit his system. and his recruitment of grad transfers and jucos to me indicates he doesn't want to have another 4 year building process. he's looking for a quick turn around.

With that said, if all of brohm's recruits were all high school seniors, I would expect another long rebuilding process and a 1-11 season. but they're not. that's why I would be very disappointed if this team went only 1-11. to put forth as much effort as brohm has, and to produce the same results would be both disappointing and heartbreaking. and I've said it before, the only stat that has any meaning is the W. being a competitive loser is still a loser . it's the difference in being Michael Jordan and Karl Malone! When we talk about putting some excitement back in a game, that doesn't mean being ahead for 3 quarters and fading in the 4th. We mean winning ugly and pulling a close game out of the jaws of defeat to victory. The goal posts are not going to come down if we have a 21 point 3rd quarter lead and win by 10. They will come down if we beat IU on a last second play.

I've finished second in life a lot. Second place and being competitive is still a losing feeling. Winning ugly is tremendous. Green Bay against Dallas in the Ice Bowl 1964. Dallas won all the statistical comparisons, and played a tremendous game. But Green Bay won and the game became a legendary moment in NFL history. Go out and ask any Dallas fan if they were happy and proud of their team for being competitive but losing that game. And that's how I grew up. it doesn't matter what the score or stats are. losing is still losing, and winning is everything. Just ask a buffalo bills or Vikings fan how they feel about competitive losses. I'd bet they'd trade 20 losing seasons for just 1 Super bowl victory. Joe Namoth won one very ugly championship game. Fran Tarkington looked great in 4 losses.

My son is competing today in the MVC outdoor track championships. I think he'd trade all his personal bests for a win!
I am glad you are a Packer fan like me,but lets remember that the Ice Bowl was December 31st,1967.
 
The facts are Brohm has made a lot of dramatic changes. And it would be very discouraging if those changes didn't yield some type of tangible success.
 
I've been on interview teams where we had multiple very good candidates interviewing for one position and we ended up creating another position just because we wanted to bring whoever was determined to be #2 on board still. So in that case second place didn't walk away empty handed.

In athletics that's a preposterous notion in my opinion. 2nd place is not the same as last place unless you are in a two team competition. That's not to say anyone strives for 2nd but to say it's no different than last is just dumb. Explain to me why the Final Four has become the Holy Grail of college basketball if that's so. Why do these teams hang banners to celebrate that when they might have finished in 2nd, 3rd , or 4th place? That's because there's more to a journey than the final destination. I'd much rather finish 2nd in the Big Ten next year than 10th.
 
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I've been on interview teams where we had multiple very good candidates interviewing for one position and we ended up creating another position just because we wanted to bring whoever was determined to be #2 on board still. So in that case second place didn't walk away empty handed.

In athletics that's a preposterous notion in my opinion. 2nd place is not the same as last place unless you are in a two team competition. That's not to say anyone strives for 2nd but to say it's no different than last is just dumb. Explain to me why the Final Four has become the Holy Grail of college basketball if that's so. Why do these teams hang banners to celebrate that when they might have finished in 2nd, 3rd , or 4th place? That's because there's more to a journey than the final destination. I'd much rather finish 2nd in the Big Ten next year than 10th.
Shouldn't you be off debating Valpo and the Mo Valley with Wolegib?
 
I've been on interview teams where we had multiple very good candidates interviewing for one position and we ended up creating another position just because we wanted to bring whoever was determined to be #2 on board still. So in that case second place didn't walk away empty handed.

In athletics that's a preposterous notion in my opinion. 2nd place is not the same as last place unless you are in a two team competition. That's not to say anyone strives for 2nd but to say it's no different than last is just dumb. Explain to me why the Final Four has become the Holy Grail of college basketball if that's so. Why do these teams hang banners to celebrate that when they might have finished in 2nd, 3rd , or 4th place? That's because there's more to a journey than the final destination. I'd much rather finish 2nd in the Big Ten next year than 10th.


Ok, the year is 2015! without googling it, who came in second in the BIG 10 in football ? The year is 2014, who came in second in basketball? Who finished second to Michael Phelps in any of his races? Who finished second to Lance Armstrong? Who received the Silver medal when Joe Frasier received the Gold? Who finished second in any College World Series ? In 1969, who finished second in the American League ? When USA won the gold medal in hockey at Lake Placid, who finished second? it wasn't Russia.

on the other hand, who finished second in basketball in the 1972 Olympics? in that case, finishing second was as bad as finishing last.

While you might feel better finishing second verses 10th, the reality is no one else cares! All the rest of the world cares about is winners ! We're #1 We are the Champions! .. the only people who take pride in being #2 is AVIS !
 
You're a very smart dude and I like quite a few of your posts, but I see the immaturity come out of you quite often... I'm expecting a not so nice response back but you can be better than that.

It is of the utmost importance to me that you approve of how I post.
 
Ok, the year is 2015! without googling it, who came in second in the BIG 10 in football ? The year is 2014, who came in second in basketball? Who finished second to Michael Phelps in any of his races? Who finished second to Lance Armstrong? Who received the Silver medal when Joe Frasier received the Gold? Who finished second in any College World Series ? In 1969, who finished second in the American League ? When USA won the gold medal in hockey at Lake Placid, who finished second? it wasn't Russia.

on the other hand, who finished second in basketball in the 1972 Olympics? in that case, finishing second was as bad as finishing last.

While you might feel better finishing second verses 10th, the reality is no one else cares! All the rest of the world cares about is winners ! We're #1 We are the Champions! .. the only people who take pride in being #2 is AVIS !

Except for the ones where you listed the victor, I couldn't tell you the winner of most of those things.

I can tell you that Butler was the runner up in the NCAA tournament twice under Brad Stevens. I know the Indians lost to Cubs in the World Series last year and the Mets lost to the Royals the year before that. UNC beat Gonzaga in the NCAAT this year and lost to Villanova the year before.

I remember the runner up quite often. And you don't speak for everyone else, just yourself. The celebration of Final Fours pretty much proves how wrong you are about "no one else" caring about anyone but the winner.
 
Which I totally agree with you on that point. That is why I made the statement that with the massively improved coaching staff and the influx of talent at identified needed areas, if Brohm can get the team to the 4th quarter...I like our chances this next season against similar or better programs. At this point, that would constitute every program on our schedule next season with the exception of Ohio.

If Purdue goes 1-11 BUT doesn't get blown out and maintains every loss within single digits....would you be a happy fan?
I find myself not needing to post much lately because I agree with all your posts lately JohnnyDoeBoiler. I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
It is of the utmost importance to me that you approve of how I post.
I'm offering you a suggestion that you stop acting like your 9 sometimes and act your age is all. If you can't accept my advice then so be it. You seem to take one step forward, two steps back with your posting. That is all.
 
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