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What is the standard expectations of a new coach hired with the verbals of the fired coach? With Brohm being a better recruiter than Hazell, is he expected to honor all of the former coach's verbals, if he can bring in his type of recruits and better recruits?
 
KentuckyBoiler said:
What is the standard expectations of a new coach hired with the verbals of the fired coach? With Brohm being a better recruiter than Hazell, is he expected to honor all of the former coach's verbals, if he can bring in his type of recruits and better recruits?
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I would think that he would honor them, but 'encourage' to look elsewhere.
 
I think you keep the verbals as long as they fit the system you ultimately want to run. The depth on this team is really really bad. Bodies are still a must even if they aren't necessarily at the talent level the next coach up wants. That being said, I really do think we've got some good players this year despite which coach they made their commitment to.
 
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If I were him I'd give each commitment my honest feedback and then tell them their scholarship still stands and they have limited period of time to re-affirm their commitment. That seems to be the fair thing to do for both sides.

From the recruit perspective, you still have the scholarship and you know where you stand with the new coach. If his feedback was positive you may want to re-affirm the commitment immediately and if it is negative maybe you take a couple days and to see what other opportunities there are and then decommit to look around.

It allows the coach to know where he stands with each recruit and be up front with them about how they would fit into his program. Most likely if you tell a recruit that he doesn't fit what you're trying to do he's going to decommit and try to find a better situation.

That's how I'd handle it. I have no idea what CJB might do.
 
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TC4THREE said:
If I were him I'd give each commitment my honest feedback and then tell them their scholarship still stands and they have limited period of time to re-affirm their commitment. That seems to be the fair thing to do for both sides.

From the recruit perspective, you still have the scholarship and you know where you stand with the new coach. If his feedback was positive you may want to re-affirm the commitment immediately and if it is negative maybe you take a couple days and to see what other opportunities there are and then decommit to look around.

It allows the coach to know where he stands with each recruit and be up front with them about how they would fit into his program. Most likely if you tell a recruit that he doesn't fit what you're trying to do he's going to decommit and try to find a better situation.

That's how I'd handle it. I have no idea what CJB might do.
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If they aren't good enough to play then cut bait quickly and recruit players that are good enough. It's not a charity and Brohm owes none of these players anything as they do not owe him.
 
Like_a_Boss said:
I'd like to see Brohm going after the uncommitted safety from Fishers High School. 4 star guy. Start the local recruiting.
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Exactly, still 2 players from Indy that have Purdue offers but not commited yet. No excuse not to contact them.
 
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I think you try and keep those committed in tact, unless Brohm sees tape and doesn't think a player is capable. Hit the Juco Market for OL, DL and take the best uncommitted high school kids you can get. Lock down this class and get hard to work on 2018, because this first class is going to be extremely important.
 
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nips18 said:
If they aren't good enough to play then cut bait quickly and recruit players that are good enough. It's not a charity and Brohm owes none of these players anything as they do not owe him.
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Suffice it to say I disagree. You're right. It's not a charity. It's a bilateral agreement.
 
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According to 247, lots of good JUCO players available. I think with a guy like Brohm, there could be a number of players leaving. I think when Tiller came in, I remember someone telling me 10-15 guys either left or Tiller kicked out. If Brohm finds a number of JUCO guys, he needs to grab as many as will come to help bolster the team for the next two years. The problem is that it may make the classes unbalanced, but that is something you can correct as time goes on.
http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=juniorcollege
 
OhioBoiler3 said:
I think you try and keep those committed in tact, unless Brohm sees tape and doesn't think a player is capable. Hit the Juco Market for OL, DL and take the best uncommitted high school kids you can get. Lock down this class and get hard to work on 2018, because this first class is going to be extremely important.
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AMEN:Those Juco Meatheads are the guys that allow your team to redshirt your in coming Frosh OL and DL`s...
 
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Bippus33 said:
AMEN:Those Juco Meatheads are the guys that allow your team to redshirt your in coming Frosh OL and DL`s...
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Lots of real good HS players in Illinois still not committed. One to look at is Fabian Kratz who is an OL in the Chicago Suburbs. OT in high school who has good technique and good hips. Purdue is scary thin on the OL and a player like Kratz may be good enough to come in and contribute and compete next season...at the minimum he can provide depth.
 
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Per Rivals on Twitter it looks like Purdue commit Hudson was visiting Iowa St this weekend. So some are looking elsewhere so why not bring/poach current players from WKU that Brohm has been involved with.
 
Michael6969 said:
Exactly. If any of the players want to go,then go. We need players that want to be here and work to win with Coach Brohm. No going through the motions for a scholarship.
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I agree totally but him being a large body and on the OL I hope he is just looking at options but finds CJB system and style to his liking.
 
TC4THREE said:
Suffice it to say I disagree. You're right. It's not a charity. It's a bilateral agreement.
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It was an agreement between the kid and a coach that is no longer employed. Brohm should bring in players he wants, not honor the coach's commitment that was unable to bring in players good enough to compete at the P5 level. Bringing in four year players that aren't good enough is a sure fire way to get fired himself.
 
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nips18 said:
It was an agreement between the kid and a coach that is no longer employed. Brohm should bring in players he wants, not honor the coach's commitment that was unable to bring in players good enough to compete at the P5 level. Bringing in four year players that aren't good enough is a sure fire way to get fired himself.
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Again, you and I see it differently. It was a commitment to the program.

I think Brohm should be honest with them and if he thinks they aren't good enough he should tell them that. I also think that chances are slim that any recruit who just heard that from the head coach of the program they committed to would choose to stay but that's how I think it should be handled. Be honest with each recruit and then give them a period of time to de-commit or re-affirm.
 
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nips18 said:
It was an agreement between the kid and a coach that is no longer employed. Brohm should bring in players he wants, not honor the coach's commitment that was unable to bring in players good enough to compete at the P5 level. Bringing in four year players that aren't good enough is a sure fire way to get fired himself.
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So, for arguments sake, let's say that CJB decides that the offensive lineman from Carmel is not a fit for his system at Purdue. Would you recommend pulling his scholarship offer?
 
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New Pal Boiler said:
So, for arguments sake, let's say that CJB decides that the offensive lineman from Carmel is not a fit for his system at Purdue. Would you recommend pulling his scholarship offer?
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Generally yes, if he's not going to play then they need to move on. Now, with that being said, Carmel is a different animal because they pump out a lot of players and could help them down the road. Nothing is ever black and white in recruiting. Most of the other schools, the staff will look at to see how the school will feed them talent later.

Scholarships are too valuable right now to tie up four years for players they already know are not good enough. I have no idea whom Coach Brohm thinks is good and not good, so that's for him to make the call.

No one is asking for a Fleck type blanket of "no previous offers will be honored." The roster currently has too many players that are not talented enough to contribute at the BIG level, so adding more will only compound the problem. I'd look for Freeman to steal at least one of the Ohio commits to Cincy as well, which opens more room for Brohm's players. Purdue already cut ties with West, so it's begun.
 
nips18 said:
Generally yes, if he's not going to play then they need to move on. Now, with that being said, Carmel is a different animal because they pump out a lot of players and could help them down the road. Nothing is ever black and white in recruiting. Most of the other schools, the staff will look at to see how the school will feed them talent later.

Scholarships are too valuable right now to tie up four years for players they already know are not good enough. I have no idea whom Coach Brohm thinks is good and not good, so that's for him to make the call.

No one is asking for a Fleck type blanket of "no previous offers will be honored." The roster currently has too many players that are not talented enough to contribute at the BIG level, so adding more will only compound the problem. I'd look for Freeman to steal at least one of the Ohio commits to Cincy as well, which opens more room for Brohm's players. Purdue already cut ties with West, so it's begun.
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hopefully Hudson stays w/ us, we need OL and really like his size.
 
I count 7 open spots for 2017, which will probably end up closer to 10 after decommits, transfers, dropouts. Most of the current 2017 commits are 3 stars. Fill up those open ~10 spots with quality players and we could be looking at a top 50 class.
 
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If Brohm can improve the class overall in to a top 50 class and then be able to move Purdue to a top 40 class the next three years, that will go a long way in improving the program. NU doesn't get stellar classes but what they do is recruit to their needs and find guys that can blossom in their system. With their quality coaching staff, they are able to build those classes in to their program that consistently has outperformed larger programs over the last ten years. If Purdue can get to that point without the more rigorous academic side that NU has, Purdue can build that to top 25 classes. If Brohm can get a top 25 class by his 4th year...that should mean he is moving the program significantly forward.
 
I could envision Brohm losing more 2nd and 3rd year players via transferring ala Painter 's basketball players transferring than seeing Bohm not honor a scholarship commitment that Hazell made.
 
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It appears we have our answer.. or at least a partial one. West and now Tusha out. Both out of state, 2-star Hazell guys.
 
nips18 said:
It was an agreement between the kid and a coach that is no longer employed. Brohm should bring in players he wants, not honor the coach's commitment that was unable to bring in players good enough to compete at the P5 level. Bringing in four year players that aren't good enough is a sure fire way to get fired himself.
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When Colletto took over for Akers he had to tell several players that he was concerned not only for their playing time but for their safety..........Not sure if that is the case that Brohm is currently dealing with but until we get stronger line play injuries will continue to pile up.......and Purdue will be in the basement of the Big Ten
 
Wolegib said:
I could envision Brohm losing more 2nd and 3rd year players via transferring ala Painter 's basketball players transferring than seeing Bohm not honor a scholarship commitment that Hazell made.
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Not a chance any of these guys transfer, if they do it will be going to Indiana State, if that is what you want good bye!!! Not enough talent on this team to transfer out and get something better ...Unless its our qb's as we all know!!
 
goodboiler said:
Not a chance any of these guys transfer, if they do it will be going to Indiana State, if that is what you want good bye!!! Not enough talent on this team to transfer out and get something better ...Unless its our qb's as we all know!!
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They would be transferring because they are forced to or because they haven't been forced to work as hard. New coaches run off the bad players. I'd suspect the new strength coach will weed some out very quickly with a few leaving in May.
 
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KentuckyBoiler said:
What is the standard expectations of a new coach hired with the verbals of the fired coach? With Brohm being a better recruiter than Hazell, is he expected to honor all of the former coach's verbals, if he can bring in his type of recruits and better recruits?
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I think the guys they were luke warm on have decommited, with the exception of RB Branch.
 
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