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Biggie Updated Draft Listing

What is the date of no return? I'm guessing he waits and gets as much feedback as he can until that date. Really little incentive to pull his name out at this point.
 
#66 = undrafted as there are only 60 picks. Hopefully he climbs no higher than a #66 projection.

Would Biggie choose D-League over returning to Purdue?! I mean, REALLY??

I sure as hell hope not.
 
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Cleanface said:
#66 = undrafted as there are only 60 picks. Hopefully he climbs no higher than a #66 projection.

Would Biggie choose D-League over returning to Purdue?! I mean, REALLY??

I sure as hell hope not.
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Hope not either,
That would look worse recruiting wise for us
 
I'm not sure it would look worse for Purdue. But man, that would be a bad decision on Caleb's part.

I understand the part about someone betting on themselves. But staying in school one more year is just as much a bet on yourself, and a much smarter one, in my opinion.

Upside - NBA - makes a roster
Downside - NBA - languishes in D-league, or ends up in europe.

Upside - College - stars for a top 20 program, gets drafted higher, so team has more incentive to hold onto him
Downside - College - has mediocre career. Gets degree for free. Ends up playing in Europe.
 
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jrider said:
This is getting too close. He is listed as #66, which is really taking to much of a chance for missing out should he want to risk taking a shot at the NBA. I hope he is smart enough to just choose at least one more year. Vince Edwards is #79 on the same list. Hammons is #38.

Here is the link: http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/3/
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imo this is not "close", especially for someone who just ended their freshman year and has choices. But I guess I'm not in his shoes.
 
jrider said:
This is getting too close. He is listed as #66, which is really taking to much of a chance for missing out should he want to risk taking a shot at the NBA. I hope he is smart enough to just choose at least one more year. Vince Edwards is #79 on the same list. Hammons is #38.

Here is the link: http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/3/
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I would be uncomfortable going if I were outside most top 20's.
 
TopSecretBoiler said:
imo this is not "close", especially for someone who just ended their freshman year and has choices. But I guess I'm not in his shoes.
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I agree that this is not close enough. On the last draft sheet I saw, he was rated in the 90's. With the fact that he is just outside of those who would most likely be drafted by teams and that he is up about 30 spots from the last one I saw may mean he would be more willing to take a chance. It would be a foolish one IMO, but sometimes people see and hear what they want to see and hear. With his father being in the profession that he is, I would certainly hope that a common-sense decision would be made for his better future.
 
I like Biggie very much as a player, but I don't think he was so dominant that he'll be drafted into the league. And while he has an NBA body, he's not so much of an athletic freak that the combine will help him; if anything, it could hurt him. So it seems like his choices are likely to be A) return & improve his stock for the future or B) play in the D-league or Europe. If he is really not enjoying school or if there is a rift between him and Painter, then maybe he'll go the latter route even though it is risky and it eliminates the springboard opportunity of getting drafted into the NBA. Otherwise, if he's tolerating school OK & still gets along with the coaches & players, it seems like he should return. Some people are feeling he's almost certainly not coming back, based on comments he made... I don't feel that way, especially remembering the change of mind made related to his commitment. I think he'll go through the process, see he has little chance of getting drafted, and return to Purdue. Boiler Up!
 
Cleanface said:
#66 = undrafted as there are only 60 picks. Hopefully he climbs no higher than a #66 projection.

Would Biggie choose D-League over returning to Purdue?! I mean, REALLY??

I sure as hell hope not.
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If he goes pro this year as slow as he is he better be damn sure he's a first round pick. 80 percent of NBA players, closer to 90 go bankrupt just a few years out, especially the ones w/ no education completion. It boils down to 3 types of players. A) Those that are dominantly elite in college. He is miles away from this. Dominantly elite players are the type everyone knows your name in college no matter what part of country. B) Some highly recruited guy who has some size, yah did ok as a freshman but nothing that great and has a lot to improve on. Should never jump to NBA. Better to stay and get better. Otherwise enjoy Europe. C) Hammons types, they stayed the course, grew, made a good body of work in college to be a finished product capable of longevity in NBA. Otherwise yah betta save the cash, because a suka is born everyday. Hammons leaves even last year good luck buddy. Though this year everyone knows his name. Don't be the B crowd.
 
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The difference between 2nd round & undrafted isn't all that great because 2nd rounders aren't guaranteed contracts. Even if undrafted, Biggie is enough of a talent that he will be signed to some team's summer league squad & he'll have a chance to impress & make a team.

One thing I haven't seen discussed: The NBA salary cap is supposed to take a huge jump up in 2017 with the new TV money. Does anyone know how that will affect the rookie scale? Just wondering if there is any sort of incentive to take his chance this year as opposed to next.

A decision of this magnitude can't be easy...I wish him the best of luck. Selfishly, I hope he comes back; but based on what I've seen out of the kid, he's going to be ok whether it is at Purdue, in the NBA, NBDL, or somewhere over in Europe.
 
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02Boilermaker said:
One thing I haven't seen discussed: The NBA salary cap is supposed to take a huge jump up in 2017 with the new TV money. Does anyone know how that will affect the rookie scale? Just wondering if there is any sort of incentive to take his chance this year as opposed to next.
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Good point.
So next year I've read the caps will go from 70 to 92M. Then the following year to 108.
So it would appear you'd want to wait even one more year. But one caveat is that both owners and players actually have the option to opt out of the current cba before the start of the 2017 season. No idea though on any chances of that happening, but with the owners who knows. (the following two years are projected to be dips in cap size, right now).
 
I think we usually forget that waiting for a cap increase in year 2 means giving up the entire income from year 1 while waiting.
 
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I think we usually forget that waiting for a cap increase in year 2 means giving up the entire income from year 1 while waiting.
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Not to mention that the real money comes with contract #2 which, in some players calculations, means getting through contract #1 has some priority.
 
As previously posted, we all know the family issues he is dealing with and certainly wouldn't think negatively of him going early if that is the driving force. However, if he does, . . I would be worried that he wouldn't make enough money to give them the life I am sure he wants them to have.

While it could be a painful decision for him to stay in college if he sees a mother or brother in trouble, . . I believe it's the right one for him. Waiting makes sure you are closer to a degree and a guaranteed contract. He will need both the money AND the education to make sure that once he improves their lives . . he is able to maintain it.

Wishing him well either way though.
 
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Updated DX Top 100 as of Friday afternoon:

A.J. Hammons - 41 (#38 in Mock Draft)
Caleb Swanigan - 71
Vince Edwards - UNR
 
A non-draftable position is unfortunate for him and I would be reluctant to say it's "good", although it clearly is beneficial to the Boilers.
Hopefully all works out for the better for him and Purdue.
 
I'm not cheering against him. I'd love for him to be a lottery pick and go make guaranteed millions in the NBA over the next few years. That just doesn't appear to be in the cards for him this time around unless his performance at the combine elevates his stock a ton. The question is what does he want. Historically, players coming back to Purdue looks like it has only helped the player. JJ coming back to Purdue got him drafted in the first round and got him guaranteed money even though he never stuck in the NBA. Moore didn't get the first-round-guaranteed money but he developed his skills and game to a point where he has earned a roster spot and made alot of money by sticking around. I believe the same looks to be true for AJ. His draft stock is higher than it ever was and he's certainly a better player than he ever was before so he's put himself in the best position possible to get drafted in the first round and/or make a roster out of camp even if he is a 2nd rounder.

Objectively, looking at the draft projections, the play for Swanigan would appear to be coming back to Purdue for another year where, with some natural improvement, he could elevate his status by becoming a dominant college player. He averaged 10.2 and 8.3 last year as a younger-than-normal true freshman learning the college game and not being the focal point of the offense. It would not shock me to see him average 15+ points and 10 or more rebounds next season if he came back. He'll see the ball more with AJ gone and with his work ethic he can become more consistent knocking down the outside shot. If he can improve his outside shot, display a consistent post game (more a function of opportunity this year), and improve his quickness on defense then I would say he has maxed out his game at the college level and his draft status wouldn't likely get any higher than that and if he wanted to go then, I think it would make more sense no matter where he was projected. It just seems to me like right now he is leaving alot of potential improvement on the table if he were to jump early into a draft where he is being projected as a borderline draftee.
 
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