Big chance to build Purdue brand

[delish1]

http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/128921/villanova-is-no-1-in-latest-bpi-rankings


Lots of respect out there right now even with the crazy top 4 losses last night.

With an exciting offensive team and a legit, marketable star (really 2, everyone loves Haas), this is a big opportunity for Purdue to rebuild the national relevance that's disappeared since the Baby Boilers. We can question the importance of that to fans but I would have to think it makes a difference in recruiting.

It would be nice to see Purdue run with one of these opportunities and elevate into a top 15 program.

 

[DrEss]

Just keep winning and no more toe stubs

 

[icewind7]

Let's do this, this is Purdue year! Don't miss the chance to get to our destination.

 

[sporre]

The national exposure and publicity around Biggie is just huge right now. Has to be helping our program. I am loving it. I will be completely satisfied with only two years of Swanigan at Purdue. Good for him, good for us. It is just a good thing for everyone that he came back this year. If there was ever a year for a big tournament run, this is the one, because it will not be a quiet one. The national media will put a spotlight on it the whole way because of Swanigan, similar to 1994. It would be nice to go on a major run now and get into 3-seed range.

 

[Summy1]

http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/128921/villanova-is-no-1-in-latest-bpi-rankings


Lots of respect out there right now even with the crazy top 4 losses last night.

With an exciting offensive team and a legit, marketable star (really 2, everyone loves Haas), this is a big opportunity for Purdue to rebuild the national relevance that's disappeared since the Baby Boilers. We can question the importance of that to fans but I would have to think it makes a difference in recruiting.

It would be nice to see Purdue run with one of these opportunities and elevate into a top 15 program.

Purdue has started getting more love from the Indy media lately. This past Sunday night one station showed an interview with Biggie and another one had an interview with coach Painter. Really nice to see. I am sure it helps with IU having an average season.

 

[PistolPt]

Cut down the nets in DC at B10 tourney on selection Sunday and camera in room where team is watching as they announce 3 seed. That's branding.

 

[Frankie611]

Is that a consensus from posters right now? Ceiling for this team's seeding is a 3 seed? I think with a good conference finish (14 wins or better) and a BTT win, we could get a 2. That is unless we lose another game we should win. Only acceptable losses at this point would be at Maryland or at Iu for that scenario

 

[TC4THREE]

We have many tough games left.

 

[delish1]

Is that a consensus from posters right now? Ceiling for this team's seeding is a 3 seed? I think with a good conference finish (14 wins or better) and a BTT win, we could get a 2. That is unless we lose another game we should win. Only acceptable losses at this point would be at Maryland or at Iu for that scenario

I'd like to think Purdue could get to a 2 but I don't see it as likely as there are some teams with better wins (albeit in more opportunities). Going to those heights is when the Iowa and Minnesota losses truly hurt too. If the Boilers ran the table that might be in play, but that is not really a realistic expectation. Getting to a 3 though has most of the same advantages even though not as much clout.

I can't really see teams like Gonzaga (even though I don't think they truly deserve it as their only good win was again Arizona before it hit its stride), Kansas, Baylor, Kentucky, Villanova, UCLA, Louisville, Oregon dropping below Purdue in seeding. I guess when I type it out, it isn't as daunting as it seemed.

We'll know more on Feb 11. though. If this team somehow navigate the last 4 games of this stretch without a loss, things will get interesting.

 

[Frankie611]

I'd like to think Purdue could get to a 2 but I don't see it as likely as there are some teams with better wins (albeit in more opportunities). Going to those heights is when the Iowa and Minnesota losses truly hurt too. If the Boilers ran the table that might be in play, but that is not really a realistic expectation. Getting to a 3 though has most of the same advantages even though not as much clout.

I can't really see teams like Gonzaga (even though I don't think they truly deserve it as their only good win was again Arizona before it hit its stride), Kansas, Baylor, Kentucky, Villanova, UCLA, Louisville, Oregon dropping below Purdue in seeding. I guess when I type it out, it isn't as daunting as it seemed.

We'll know more on Feb 11. though. If this team somehow navigate the last 4 games of this stretch without a loss, things will get interesting.

Agreed and it will be a very interesting month in the bball world. This week has been a top 25 bloodbath so the whole rankings may get flipped on their head next week. I know the B1G is down so when you look at the quality wins we have available to us, it feels like 3-4 seed even if we kick ass. However if we are at the top of the conference heap and we are talking 3 seed, that seems like quite an eye gouge from the committee to the big ten.

 

[Bluegrass Boiler]

How the hell is Duke ranked #4 (just down one from #3 the week before)?

 

[SIBoiler2]

We have many tough games left.

Judging by the way the mighty are falling across the country this week apparently so do many others.

 

[SIBoiler2]

How the hell is Duke ranked #4 (just down one from #3 the week before)?

Because "It's Duke" and nobody wants to kick a basketball god when he's down with a bad back unless of course Grayson Allen gets a shot at him.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

How the hell is Duke ranked #4 (just down one from #3 the week before)?

I think it shows that different metrics can show a wide disparity among teams, depending upon what the particular emphasis is. Personally, I'm not in favor of using any one particular (or just one metric). RPI isnt a be all or end-all either, but it is still listed (at least as a criterion) for the Committee to use.

Looking down the line, putting Duke on at least the 4-seed line allows the NCAA tournament committee to get preferential geographical bracket for the opening weekend....this year in Greenville, South Carolina (relocated from Greensboro....one of Duke's home-away-from homes, along with Charlotte and Raleigh).

Plenty of volatility with the ACC teams, though.....and their own unbalanced schedule issues to deal with.

I think we'll see some more interesting "seeding" issues come tournament time....we shall see.

 

[boilerzz]

How the hell is Duke ranked #4 (just down one from #3 the week before)?

BPI actually factors in injuries (not sure exactly how) and Duke has been ravaged by injury this year.

 

[02Boilermaker]

We have many tough games left.

That is the truth. Of the remaining 10 games, only Rutgers has an RPI outside of the top 100.

Re: seeding. There is lots of bball left to be played, but I do think B1G teams should be in better overall shape than last season. Last year, the bottom half of the B1G was really weak. Nebraska, PSU, Northwestern, and Illinois were all outside the RPI top100 with Minnesota and Rutgers outside the top 200. The B1G tourney teams ended up having far fewer top 100 wins than teams from other conferences, and the B1G seeding seemed to suffer as a result. Right now only Iowa (110) and Rutgers (120) are outside that arbitrary cutoff line, so B1G teams shouldn't see that penalty this season.

I think the problem for the top B1G teams might end up being the lack of marquee non-conf victories. Those type of victories seem to carry added weight for teams vying for the top few seed lines.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

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I think the problem for the top B1G teams might end up being the lack of marquee non-conf victories. Those type of victories seem to carry added weight for teams vying for the top few seed lines.

Very much agree here.....Indiana has Kansas and North Carolina, but that's about it for the conference, and Indiana's slide during conference play has weakened its seed position for now. Looks like Purdue's Crossroads win against Notre Dame will be good (though not stellar). It seems to have been a problem for the conference, generally, the last couple of years. Michigan State and Wisconsin have had some high seeds somewhat recently, but the rest of the conference has generally underperformed, IMO, getting good seeds going back the last three years. 2013 seemed to be the peak for the conference, recently, in that respect.

It will eventually cycle back up for the conference.

 

[Dryfly88]

I really think the B1G would be ok this year in the seedings if they would drop the ridiculous use/consideration of the RPI. It boggles my mind that they could still be using that measure.

Example: Right now the top team from the B1G in RPI is Minnesota! Nobody that follows this conference even a little would ever say they are the best team in the conference. Contrast that with both KenPom and BPI which both have PU and WI as the two highest rated B1G teams and both would currently be 3 seeds based on their rankings. There are good tools out there, the NCAA just needs to use them.

 

[SIBoiler2]

I really think the B1G would be ok this year in the seedings if they would drop the ridiculous use/consideration of the RPI. It boggles my mind that they could still be using that measure.

Example: Right now the top team from the B1G in RPI is Minnesota! Nobody that follows this conference even a little would ever say they are the best team in the conference. Contrast that with both KenPom and BPI which both have PU and WI as the two highest rated B1G teams and both would currently be 3 seeds based on their rankings. There are good tools out there, the NCAA just needs to use them.

Did you really just use "tools" and "NCAA" in the same sentence??? Say no more.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Did you really just use "tools" and "NCAA" in the same sentence??? Say no more.

that's the PG version.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I really think the B1G would be ok this year in the seedings if they would drop the ridiculous use/consideration of the RPI. It boggles my mind that they could still be using that measure.

Example: Right now the top team from the B1G in RPI is Minnesota! Nobody that follows this conference even a little would ever say they are the best team in the conference. Contrast that with both KenPom and BPI which both have PU and WI as the two highest rated B1G teams and both would currently be 3 seeds based on their rankings. There are good tools out there, the NCAA just needs to use them.

and Minnesota went down again last night.....in Columbus.....fourth defeat in a row, which won't help the Boilers much.

 

[FirstDownB]

and Minnesota went down again last night.....in Columbus.....fourth defeat in a row, which won't help the Boilers much.

Not sure I follow this logic. Purdue plays Minny and OSU once each, so RPI effect is a wash. The win puts OSU closer to Top 50 RPI, which would give Purdue another quality win. Minny RPI not as critical to Purdue as it was not a win.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Not sure I follow this logic. Purdue plays Minny and OSU once each, so RPI effect is a wash. The win puts OSU closer to Top 50 RPI, which would give Purdue another potential signature win. Minny RPI not as critical to Purdue as it was not a win.

Good point about Ohio State, FDB, although I'm not confident its RPI will be top 50 when all is said and done. I was looking strictly from a Minnesota perspective in that by the end of the year, that loss might be looked upon very favorably....RPI issues aside.

Bottom line.....it was a chance for me to vent/rant....without much logic/purpose. I appreciate the indulgence.

 

[boilernuke]

I think it shows that different metrics can show a wide disparity among teams, depending upon what the particular emphasis is. Personally, I'm not in favor of using any one particular (or just one metric). RPI isnt a be all or end-all either, but it is still listed (at least as a criterion) for the Committee to use.

Looking down the line, putting Duke on at least the 4-seed line allows the NCAA tournament committee to get preferential geographical bracket for the opening weekend....this year in Greenville, South Carolina (relocated from Greensboro....one of Duke's home-away-from homes, along with Charlotte and Raleigh).

Plenty of volatility with the ACC teams, though.....and their own unbalanced schedule issues to deal with.

I think we'll see some more interesting "seeding" issues come tournament time....we shall see.

I don't know all the rules but in general would Purdue need to work its way up to a 3 seed to play in Indy? I guess it all depends who are the other top 4 seeds and the closest venues to those teams, etc. I selfishly wouldn't mind Purdue playing in Greenville because I live very close in SC.

 

[Dryfly88]

I don't know all the rules but in general would Purdue need to work its way up to a 3 seed to play in Indy? I guess it all depends who are the other top 4 seeds and the closest venues to those teams, etc. I selfishly wouldn't mind Purdue playing in Greenville because I live very close in SC.

It is a pretty complicated process. I have included a link for the NCAA selection and site assignment rules. There is no hard fast rule that says if you are X seed you get to play closest to home. However, the higher the seed the more likely that is to happen. There are so many other factors like conference foes, rematches from regular season, host schools ect....

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...-bracket-how-68-teams-are-selected-division-i

Would love to see us in Indy for the first 2 games! Let's get that 2 or 3 seed and increase our chances.

 

[FirstDownB]

Good point about Ohio State, FDB, although I'm not confident its RPI will be top 50 when all is said and done. I was looking strictly from a Minnesota perspective in that by the end of the year, that loss might be looked upon very favorably....RPI issues aside.

Bottom line.....it was a chance for me to vent/rant....without much logic/purpose. I appreciate the indulgence.

Haha touche! The self awareness is admirable.

I'm not confident OSU will continue to climb either. I think my point was that most of these intra-conference results are zero sum games since we play both winner and loser. Any loss that makes one of our opponents look worse also makes one of our opponents look better. The only results that will improve our RPI (slightly) are when a 2x opponent plays a 1x opponent. Or when a team we defeated crosses some 'threshold' for quality win. It's all kind of silly, but it is what it is.

And the whole system is so confusing/flawed, I'd probably be just as likely to agree with your statement on any given day.