Biden Duped, Taliban Killings Rampage

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But there is growing evidence that the reality on ground is different to the rhetoric coming from Taliban leaders and spokesmen. It was not lost on some watching the press conference in Kabul that Mr Mujahid made his declaration from the seat of the former government spokesman Dawa Khan Menapal, who had been killed by the group just weeks earlier, as "punishment for his deeds".

Several sources confirmed that Taliban fighters last week executed two senior police officials - Haji Mullah Achakzai, the security director of Badghis province, and Ghulam Sakhi Akbari, security director of Farah province. Video footage showed Mr Achakzai was kneeling, blindfolded, with his hands tied behind his back before he was shot.

"Since the Taliban have come to power they haven't stopped killing," he said. "A few days ago, they killed twelve members of the special forces in Kandahar and three soldiers in Jalalabad as well. They were my close friends. I was in touch with them. The Taliban took them out of their homes and shot them."

Who is going to be held accountable for trusting terrorists?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58395954

 

[BuilderBob6]

But there is growing evidence that the reality on ground is different to the rhetoric coming from Taliban leaders and spokesmen. It was not lost on some watching the press conference in Kabul that Mr Mujahid made his declaration from the seat of the former government spokesman Dawa Khan Menapal, who had been killed by the group just weeks earlier, as "punishment for his deeds".

Several sources confirmed that Taliban fighters last week executed two senior police officials - Haji Mullah Achakzai, the security director of Badghis province, and Ghulam Sakhi Akbari, security director of Farah province. Video footage showed Mr Achakzai was kneeling, blindfolded, with his hands tied behind his back before he was shot.

"Since the Taliban have come to power they haven't stopped killing," he said. "A few days ago, they killed twelve members of the special forces in Kandahar and three soldiers in Jalalabad as well. They were my close friends. I was in touch with them. The Taliban took them out of their homes and shot them."

Who is going to be held accountable for trusting terrorists?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58395954

So we probably should have stayed then?

 

[Bruce1]

So we probably should have stayed then?

Of course, absolutely.

 

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But there is growing evidence that the reality on ground is different to the rhetoric coming from Taliban leaders and spokesmen. It was not lost on some watching the press conference in Kabul that Mr Mujahid made his declaration from the seat of the former government spokesman Dawa Khan Menapal, who had been killed by the group just weeks earlier, as "punishment for his deeds".

Several sources confirmed that Taliban fighters last week executed two senior police officials - Haji Mullah Achakzai, the security director of Badghis province, and Ghulam Sakhi Akbari, security director of Farah province. Video footage showed Mr Achakzai was kneeling, blindfolded, with his hands tied behind his back before he was shot.

"Since the Taliban have come to power they haven't stopped killing," he said. "A few days ago, they killed twelve members of the special forces in Kandahar and three soldiers in Jalalabad as well. They were my close friends. I was in touch with them. The Taliban took them out of their homes and shot them."

Who is going to be held accountable for trusting terrorists?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58395954

That is Afghanistan’s problem. Not ours.

 

[Bruce1]

That is Afghanistan’s problem. Not ours.

It’s our problem, not theirs. Your statement is obscene. The people of Afghanistan trusted us. i would think you of all people on these boards would see that. Now Biden is adding insult to injury by stopping rescue efforts to take people out of the country. He is a disgusting POS. You can’t cover this up or flip the responsibility to others. We broke it, we need to fix it.

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[Nbergbuck]

It’s our problem, not theirs. Your statement is obscene. The people of Afghanistan trusted us. i would think you of all people on these boards would see that. Now Biden is adding insult to injury by stopping rescue efforts to take people out of the country. He is a disgusting POS. You can’t cover this up or flip the responsibility to others. We broke it, we need to fix it.

State Dept. Order 'Blocks' Private Flights for Americans Conducting Unauthorized Rescue Missions to Afghanistan: Report

The Biden administration has issued orders that will make the unauthorized rescue and extraction missions to get Americans and Afghan allies out of country significantly more difficult. Amid widespread reports of rescue efforts from groups like Task Force Pineapple, Task Force Dunkirk, and Team...

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You are correct to a point. The problem is we spent 20 years and enormous resources to fix it. Because of corruption on the part of the Afghans it was not fixed. They needed to stand on their own 2 feet. The U.S. had to cut its losses at some point. That all said, the evacuation was badly botched.

 

[Bruce1]

You are correct to a point. The problem is we spent 20 years and enormous resources to fix it. Because of corruption on the part of the Afghans it was not fixed. They needed to stand on their own 2 feet. The U.S. had to cut its losses at some point. That all said, the evacuation was badly botched.

I don‘t see the time factor as the main point for leaving. The cultural changes that had made huge progression in women’s rights over 20 years may not have been the original objective but IMO turned out to be the most amazing positive result. Over the past few years the role of our military was still the key to successfully keeping the Taliban under control but our soldiers were not doing the fighting. The Afghan people were trusting us and literally placed their lives in our hands. We should have stayed.

 

[Nbergbuck]

I don‘t see the time factor as the main point for leaving. The cultural changes that had made huge progression in women’s rights over 20 years may not have been the original objective but IMO turned out to be the most amazing positive result. Over the past few years the role of our military was still the key to successfully keeping the Taliban under control but our soldiers were not doing the fighting. The Afghan people were trusting us and literally placed their lives in our hands. We should have stayed.

I do. It became obvious the Afghan military/gov't would never be able to cut it. The Taliban were making gains and 2500 U.S. troops could not hold indefinitely. Many more would be required. The U.S. does not have the resources for this indefinitely given everything else going on (Covid etc.).

 

[Riveting]

I don‘t see the time factor as the main point for leaving. The cultural changes that had made huge progression in women’s rights over 20 years may not have been the original objective but IMO turned out to be the most amazing positive result. Over the past few years the role of our military was still the key to successfully keeping the Taliban under control but our soldiers were not doing the fighting. The Afghan people were trusting us and literally placed their lives in our hands. We should have stayed.

I have come around to your point of view, given the incompetent and disgraceful way the withdrawal was conducted.

Keeping 5000-10,000 troops in Afg, primarily at Bagram, would be a small price relative to our full global deployments to maintain the status quo in Afg, keep the Taliban and ISIS at bay with air strikes and so forth as needed, maintain intelligence ties, and give us a footing in an area where we may find a need some day to attack Pakistan military/nuclear capabilities if that chaotic and unbalanced country goes completely haywire.

I suspect we could find 5-10k troops from our all of our bases in Europe, protecting countries that are capable of protecting themselves against a second-world country like Russia. France and UK have the nukes and know-how to keep Russia at bay, and Europe and the US together can overwhelm Russia with economic sanctions if the need arises.

Too late now, regrettably, and we may well end up paying a heavy price down the road for Biden's incompetence.

 

[Bruce1]

I do. It became obvious the Afghan military/gov't would never be able to cut it. The Taliban were making gains and 2500 U.S. troops could not hold indefinitely. Many more would be required. The U.S. does not have the resources for this indefinitely given everything else going on (Covid etc.).

Resources are not the issue. Apparently you don’t value the fact that a whole country was being lifted out of anarchy to freedom. Especially women. I have lived and traveled extensively outside the USA. Most of the rest of the world looks to the US as a beacon of freedom. We let them down and as a result the whole world now doubts us. Do u care? Apparently not.

 

[Bruce1]

I have come around to your point of view, given the incompetent and disgraceful way the withdrawal was conducted.

Keeping 5000-10,000 troops in Afg, primarily at Bagram, would be a small price relative to our full global deployments to maintain the status quo in Afg, keep the Taliban and ISIS at bay with air strikes and so forth as needed, maintain intelligence ties, and give us a footing in an area where we may find a need some day to attack Pakistan military/nuclear capabilities if that chaotic and unbalanced country goes completely haywire.

I suspect we could find 5-10k troops from our all of our bases in Europe, protecting countries that are capable of protecting themselves against a second-world country like Russia. France and UK have the nukes and know-how to keep Russia at bay, and Europe and the US together can overwhelm Russia with economic sanctions if the need arises.

Too late now, regrettably, and we may well end up paying a heavy price down the road for Biden's incompetence.

Yes. Too late, unfortunately.

 

[Nbergbuck]

Resources are not the issue. Apparently you don’t value the fact that a whole country was being lifted out of anarchy to freedom. Especially women. I have lived and traveled extensively outside the USA. Most of the rest of the world looks to the US as a beacon of freedom. We let them down and as a result the whole world now doubts us. Do u care? Apparently not.

Resources are an issue. We have a 26 TRILLION dollar debt. The price tag on Afghanistan was over 2T. Initially the country was lifted but has since slid into civil war. The only way to reverse that was to bring in 10's of thousands more troops. How much debt were you willing to incur in a war that is unwinnable?

 

[Bruce1]

Resources are an issue. We have a 26 TRILLION dollar debt. The price tag on Afghanistan was over 2T. Initially the country was lifted but has since slid into civil war. The only way to reverse that was to bring in 10's of thousands more troops. How much debt were you willing to incur in a war that is unwinnable?

Our military never said it would take tens of thousands, etc. they said 3-6 k troops with intelligence and air support would continue to hold the Taliban down. It is only in winnable because our politicians refuse to fight it. Your concerns about debt are honorable but our debt is not due to the costs of keeping Afghanistan free. Your lack of comment about women’s rights there say a lot too.

 

[TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong]

Our military never said it would take tens of thousands, etc. they said 3-6 k troops with intelligence and air support would continue to hold the Taliban down. It is only in winnable because our politicians refuse to fight it. Your concerns about debt are honorable but our debt is not due to the costs of keeping Afghanistan free. Your lack of comment about women’s rights there say a lot too.

Politicians on both sides had 20 years to fight it. There was no objective beyond giving America hegemonic control of oil and opium trade, and to enrich defense contractors.

It was unwinnable because there was no definition of victory. The Taliban literally offered to give up Bin Laden in the early 2000s and we said no. This was always an imperialist project, and any notions of doing it for women's rights is complete horseshit, given that we literally set back Afghani women's civil rights by 50 years by aiding the mujahideen fighters who would go on to become the Taliban.

 

[Bruce1]

Politicians on both sides had 20 years to fight it. There was no objective beyond giving America hegemonic control of oil and opium trade, and to enrich defense contractors.

It was unwinnable because there was no definition of victory. The Taliban literally offered to give up Bin Laden in the early 2000s and we said no. This was always an imperialist project, and any notions of doing it for women's rights is complete horseshit, given that we literally set back Afghani women's civil rights by 50 years by aiding the mujahideen fighters who would go on to become the Taliban.

Your post is quite revealing of you views. Good old yankee imperialis! Sweet! I never said the mission was to improve women’s rights. It was an outcome. Obviously that isn’t important to you.

 

[TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong]

Your post is quite revealing of you views. Good old yankee imperialis! Sweet! I never said the mission was to improve women’s rights. It was an outcome. Obviously that isn’t important to you.

You're out of your league Bruce. Go watch tv.

 

[Nbergbuck]

Our military never said it would take tens of thousands, etc. they said 3-6 k troops with intelligence and air support would continue to hold the Taliban down. It is only in winnable because our politicians refuse to fight it. Your concerns about debt are honorable but our debt is not due to the costs of keeping Afghanistan free. Your lack of comment about women’s rights there say a lot too.

3-6K troops probably keeps the Taliban from controlling the whole place. They still would control much of the countryside. Yes, women's rights are important. We do not have the resources to be the self-appointed global guardian of women's rights. The debt is in part due to never ending things like Afghanistan.