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Lavar Ball has withdrawn his son from attending and playing for UCLA. he has said he can better prepare his son for the upcoming NBA draft than UCLA can.

I have to wonder, is he doing this because he knows UCLA was about to expel his son?
 
Is he even a draft prospect? I thought he was a 3 star recruit and by all accounts the worst of the 3 brothers.
Read an ESPN story about this where Gene Woj (not attempting his full name) quoted an NBA exec in saying Ball wasn’t even in their extended scouting reports for the draft. Likely undrafted and dad tries to rationalize it any which way other than his son simply isn’t good enough.
 
I think I remember the dad saying that out of the three boys the middle (Liangelo) one would probably not make it. Anyway, what an ass. He has another son and he is screwing his life up before it even starts.
 
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Didn't La Var also pull his youngest son off his high school team because the coach wanted to distribute the ball more?

there are many reports the only reason this Ball received a scholarship was because UCLA wanted his younger brother. it appears that's never going to happen.

I read an article that la Var has accepted the fact the NBA will black ball his son, and not draft him, and he'll probably sue the NBA for Ball discrimination rather than admitting his son doesn't have the talent. . but more to the point, he doesn't really want his second son playing in the NBA. he wants to "USE" his son to play for a Euro team, to help expand the market for his shoes and stuff in Europe.
 
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The national sports media is giving way too much attention to this dude.
Any other player leaves his team, even a player much better than Ball, and its a blurb on the side menu.

Why can't the entire world of college sports just collectively put this guy on "ignore"?
 
Lavar Ball has withdrawn his son from attending and playing for UCLA. he has said he can better prepare his son for the upcoming NBA draft than UCLA can.

I have to wonder, is he doing this because he knows UCLA was about to expel his son?

I'm extremely over him and his family - and I consider ESPN part of that. The amount of hype they've given Ball in the NBA, with really no true backing, has been annoying and absurd.

That being said, I love how it's framed as "I withdrew my son" - um, pretty sure your son has to do that. He's over 18...
 


Could somebody tell La Var that China did not forgive his son. They just decided NOT to ask for reciprocity or waste their time with a trial. he already pleaded guilty to the charges. there was no reason to press further. . Can somebody inform La Var the value of the items his son stole? in the US, that would be a grand theft charge, not a shoplifting charge. Can somebody inform La Var that at most schools, rather than being given an indefinite suspension, his son would have been immediately expelled? If his son was a normal student, he'd be expelled, and/or probably still in China.

yet, la var blames UCLA coach for not having stricter rules and keeping a tighter reign on his son while in China? Just think if Alford had imposed a curfew and then tried to enforce it on la var's son. La var would be all over Alford for not giving his son the opportunity to experience China. and La Var blames UCLA for suspending his son for more than one game? His indefinite suspension was rumored to be 6-10 games. his son got off easy.

yet la var blames everybody except the guy who was supposed to teach his son some values.

I still like the story of La Var pulling his youngest son out of high school because the high school basketball coach wanted his players to distribute the ball and look for the open shot rather than have one player take all the shots. And that's his reason for taking his son out of high school? Basically, so he can home school, take an ACT test and spend the rest of his day shooting baskets. he would never qualify academically to play at Purdue.

yet la var blames everybody except the guy who was supposed to teach his son some values.

I have no idea what goes on inside La Var's head. I guess being pulled out of UCLA will be another episode on his TV show? I guess he's using trump's marketing strategy of rather than spending money on marketing, just make outlandish statements against something or somebody, and the media will cover it providing free publicity for his brand. he may be a total jerk, but in the past 6 months, everybody knows about his shoes and his brand name. Maybe he's truly a marketing genius.

Andy, I read the article and listened to the interview. there are some serious issues going on inside La Var's head. or maybe he's a super slick con man like Pitino. he's made more $$$$ in one year than I've made in a lifetime. he drives a much better car than my Toyota,, and his house makes my home look like a pool shed. maybe he's the one on the right track. he certainly values money and material things. Maybe I'm the insane person placing ethics above money..
 
As the lemmings dove off the cliff, the last one said, "I thought you said there was water down there".
Nice court defense: everybody else was doing it. Thought we'd get away with it.
Heard LaVar is going to be up for father-of-year ..... not.: Better cross China off your overseas places to play list.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/liange...ng-left-thinking-well-get-away-152749579.html

Wondered if these kids had a mom. LaVar seems to have a heart:

https://nypost.com/2017/05/15/sad-story-behind-lavar-balls-wife-is-only-thing-that-will-quiet-him/

As far as LiAngelo goes, I predict that his mind is so messed up that he does prison time in the not to distant future. The All-On-Highness-You-Know-What- Grabber won't help him the next time.
 
What he said: "Without naming coaches, LaVar was critical of head coach Steve Alford and his staff for placing blame on the players — LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill — and not taking more responsibility. LaVar said the coaches should have enforced stronger rules during the trip."

and

"You shouldn't hang them on the cross for this long for that," Ball said. "A kid wants to play basketball all his life. You take that away, that's worse than jail. ... China already forgave the boys. They returned it. Why keep them from playing sports and take their meal passes? You already sent a message. They already apologized. What's the big deal?"

What you said: "yet la var blames everybody except the guy who was supposed to teach his son some values."

I agree with you.

So a parent's job is to make sure his grown kid gets to college with a meal plan and then it's the school's job to teach him the difference between right and wrong. And when the kid is caught breaking the law within weeks of starting school, Dad can say what the kid did was "no big deal", and it's the coach's fault for not raising the kid better.

Full disclosure: I'm a parent of three kids, not a psychiatrist. But I'm calling insanity on this one.
 
What he said: "Without naming coaches, LaVar was critical of head coach Steve Alford and his staff for placing blame on the players — LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill — and not taking more responsibility. LaVar said the coaches should have enforced stronger rules during the trip."

and

"You shouldn't hang them on the cross for this long for that," Ball said. "A kid wants to play basketball all his life. You take that away, that's worse than jail. ... China already forgave the boys. They returned it. Why keep them from playing sports and take their meal passes? You already sent a message. They already apologized. What's the big deal?"

What you said: "yet la var blames everybody except the guy who was supposed to teach his son some values."

I agree with you.

So a parent's job is to make sure his grown kid gets to college with a meal plan and then it's the school's job to teach him the difference between right and wrong. And when the kid is caught breaking the law within weeks of starting school, Dad can say what the kid did was "no big deal", and it's the coach's fault for not raising the kid better.

Full disclosure: I'm a parent of three kids, not a psychiatrist. But I'm calling insanity on this one.


I would disagree. As a former teacher, I've seen too many parents and people just like LA Var Look at today's headline story.

As a student at Purdue in the late 70's. there was a student who ran for election of the Purdue student government. His platform was that the current student government was just filled wit h a bunch of preppies who wanted to pad their resume. As part of his platform he wanted to do something different and memorable. he wanted to declare war on the university of Wisconsin. he wanted to rename Purdue as new jersey University so that students could say they graduated from a prestigious Northeastern university. he wanted Fridays off. he wanted a lot of things that normal students would never think of. he wanted to fire all of the current government students and replace them with his friends. he wanted an entire bunch of meaningless things because , as he said, our current student government wasn't doing anything, so let's have a change and vote for somebody who promises to do away with the laws and rules.

and sadly, our Purdue student body elected him. and they even re-elected him. And he was s o shocked, he had no idea what to do, so he stuck to his promise and did nothing. he sought a third term, but by then he was considered as part of the establishment, and lost.

As I look back, I thought he was insane. yet, he is the one the students elected and wanted to be in charge. There was a similar student at UW who ran on the same election platform and was also elected.

As I look in the mirror and see events and people around me, I sometimes feel I'm the insane person thinking it's the parent's responsibility to instill values and morals in their children. Today's kids and today's posters look at me and call me crazy. Maybe I am.

And if there is a poster who went to Purdue between 1974-1980, they can verify my story. I believe if history serves, that crazy guy was a poly science major and became a lawyer or something similar and put being Purdue Student body President on his resume just like so many of his predecessors.

I started this thread. the thread was never really intended to be about basketball, but rather about a total lack of ethics. I wonder about La Var Ball But he has so many role models and he is just following their lead.
 
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I would disagree. As a former teacher, I've seen too many parents and people just like LA Var Look at today's headline story.

As a student at Purdue in the late 70's. there was a student who ran for election of the Purdue student government. His platform was that the current student government was just filled wit h a bunch of preppies who wanted to pad their resume. As part of his platform he wanted to do something different and memorable. he wanted to declare war on the university of Wisconsin. he wanted to rename Purdue as new jersey University so that students could say they graduated from a prestigious Northeastern university. he wanted Fridays off. he wanted a lot of things that normal students would never think of. he wanted to fire all of the current government students and replace them with his friends. he wanted an entire bunch of meaningless things because , as he said, our current student government wasn't doing anything, so let's have a change and vote for somebody who promises to do away with the laws and rules.

and sadly, our Purdue student body elected him. and they even re-elected him. And he was s o shocked, he had no idea what to do, so he stuck to his promise and did nothing. he sought a third term, but by then he was considered as part of the establishment, and lost.

As I look back, I thought he was insane. yet, he is the one the students elected and wanted to be in charge. There was a similar student at UW who ran on the same election platform and was also elected.

As I look in the mirror and see events and people around me, I sometimes feel I'm the insane person thinking it's the parent's responsibility to instill values and morals in their children. Today's kids and today's posters look at me and call me crazy. Maybe I am.

And if there is a poster who went to Purdue between 1974-1980, they can verify my story. I believe if history serves, that crazy guy was a poly science major and became a lawyer or something similar and put being Purdue Student body President on his resume just like so many of his predecessors.

I started this thread. the thread was never really intended to be about basketball, but rather about a total lack of ethics. I wonder about La Var Ball But he has so many role models and he is just following their lead.
I can vouch for your story. I don’t remember the guys name, but he was the frontman for his band Dow Jones and the Industrials, which band oddly enough the only selected to play PSUB events during that time. Also had irregularities with the finances, etc. it made reading the Exponent a lot of fun.

My favorite pledge from his campaign was to put a dome over the campus and install a rollercoaster as a shuttle and rename it PurdueLand.
 
I can vouch for your story. I don’t remember the guys name, but he was the frontman for his band Dow Jones and the Industrials, which band oddly enough the only selected to play PSUB events during that time. Also had irregularities with the finances, etc. it made reading the Exponent a lot of fun.

My favorite pledge from his campaign was to put a dome over the campus and install a rollercoaster as a shuttle and rename it PurdueLand.
I remember him. I believe he was replaced by a less colorful president named Tom(?) Fairchild.

Wisconsin's wacky student body prez at that time was Leon Varjian (sp?). I remember he used the student activity fees to purchase 1000 plastic pink flamingos to decorate the campus mall.
 
The dad has now pulled the youngest out of high school stating he will train him to get ready for the NBA. He wants him and the other one that he pulled out of UCLA to play overseas together on the same team. Someone needs to give this guy a mental health evaluation because he has clearly lost his mind.
 
The youngest had been pulled from HS some time ago. This morning I read that an agent was shopping both of the younger sons to the European professional leagues who apparently are underwhelmed. The use of an agent seemingly ends any college possibilities for these two kids.
I find this to be a truly sad commentary on those involved, and I guess to simply where we are as a society.
 
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so he did the Student President gig just to give his band publicity? that sounds like him.
 
What he said: "Without naming coaches, LaVar was critical of head coach Steve Alford and his staff for placing blame on the players — LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill — and not taking more responsibility. LaVar said the coaches should have enforced stronger rules during the trip."

and

"You shouldn't hang them on the cross for this long for that," Ball said. "A kid wants to play basketball all his life. You take that away, that's worse than jail. ... China already forgave the boys. They returned it. Why keep them from playing sports and take their meal passes? You already sent a message. They already apologized. What's the big deal?"

What you said: "yet la var blames everybody except the guy who was supposed to teach his son some values."

I agree with you.

So a parent's job is to make sure his grown kid gets to college with a meal plan and then it's the school's job to teach him the difference between right and wrong. And when the kid is caught breaking the law within weeks of starting school, Dad can say what the kid did was "no big deal", and it's the coach's fault for not raising the kid better.

Full disclosure: I'm a parent of three kids, not a psychiatrist. But I'm calling insanity on this one.


Boiler Andy : after reading today's headlines, I take back every thing I said about la Var. he IS INSANE !!!

Not only did he take his youngest out of high school because he disagreed with the high school coach wanting to play team oriented ball. But now he has hired an agent for his son with the intent he and his brother will play on the same team in Europe. and he admits he doesn't know what team. he just expects some team will sign both of them as a package deal.

LaVar doesn't realize Euro teams have a limit of Americans on their teams. As was pointed out in a previous article, LaVar wants to use his sons and have them play in Europe in order that he can expand his line of shoes in Europe.

What's going to happen when one of these three sons gets tired of being used?
 
Chris Clark was the name

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_Jones_and_the_Industrials


Punks & Pranks: Four decades later, former Purdue Student Government president reminisces

https://www.purdueexponent.org/features/article_dbccfee4-e102-578f-bcb0-b1300e336c9b.html


they were awesome. But as a member of the GDI (Gawd Dam Independent) fraternity of dorm nerds, I think I still voted against them. To many broken promises. Did they ever do one thing they promised?
 
I would disagree. As a former teacher, I've seen too many parents and people just like LA Var Look at today's headline story.

As a student at Purdue in the late 70's. there was a student who ran for election of the Purdue student government. His platform was that the current student government was just filled wit h a bunch of preppies who wanted to pad their resume. As part of his platform he wanted to do something different and memorable. he wanted to declare war on the university of Wisconsin. he wanted to rename Purdue as new jersey University so that students could say they graduated from a prestigious Northeastern university. he wanted Fridays off. he wanted a lot of things that normal students would never think of. he wanted to fire all of the current government students and replace them with his friends. he wanted an entire bunch of meaningless things because , as he said, our current student government wasn't doing anything, so let's have a change and vote for somebody who promises to do away with the laws and rules.

and sadly, our Purdue student body elected him. and they even re-elected him. And he was s o shocked, he had no idea what to do, so he stuck to his promise and did nothing. he sought a third term, but by then he was considered as part of the establishment, and lost.

As I look back, I thought he was insane. yet, he is the one the students elected and wanted to be in charge. There was a similar student at UW who ran on the same election platform and was also elected.

As I look in the mirror and see events and people around me, I sometimes feel I'm the insane person thinking it's the parent's responsibility to instill values and morals in their children. Today's kids and today's posters look at me and call me crazy. Maybe I am.

And if there is a poster who went to Purdue between 1974-1980, they can verify my story. I believe if history serves, that crazy guy was a poly science major and became a lawyer or something similar and put being Purdue Student body President on his resume just like so many of his predecessors.

I started this thread. the thread was never really intended to be about basketball, but rather about a total lack of ethics. I wonder about La Var Ball But he has so many role models and he is just following their lead.
Had this one time from a parent:
‘My son cheating on his final is your fault. You expect too much from him and he felt pressured to do well because if it.’

My principal had to nudge me in my chair so I could close my mouth from the shock her statement sent through me. I was a second year teacher and hadn’t had any meetings like this before. My response almost made my principal laugh and then said afterwards he knew then that I was in the right profession:

‘If my class is the one place where your son finally had expectations on him to do well and he felt compelled to then cheat because of it, then I wonder what you have done to prepare your son for success when he is an adult. I was upset and hurt by your son’s actions before this meeting but I now see his actions were in response to him having not been taught how to respond to life’s struggles. I’m glad he finally got a dose of that before he graduated in 4 years. Tell him I’ll award him a passing grade of 59.5% on his test and to meet me at 6:45am tomorrow morning. It’s clear he needs someone to get his ass in the right direction. If you have a problem with that, so be it...but I refuse to allow a child with potential to sit idly by not know how to respond to adversity and expectations.’

Gave him two books by John Wooden and we spoke once a week about what he had read.
Kid has turned out to be a decent guy with a kid now. He’s a good dad and literally gives everything he has for that little girl...he usually ends up giving his daughter’s mom most of what is left of his paychecks as he doesn’t have her full time. He usually just works and heads home and tries to save here and there to get back to school.
 
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Had this one time from a parent:
‘My son cheating on his final is your fault. You expect too much from him and he felt pressured to do well because if it.’

My principal had to nudge me in my chair so I could close my mouth from the shock her statement sent through me. I was a second year teacher and hadn’t had any meetings like this before. My response almost made my principal laugh and then said afterwards he knew then that I was in the right profession:

‘If my class is the one place where your son finally had expectations on him to do well and he felt compelled to then cheat because of it, then I wonder what you have done to prepare your son for success when he is an adult. I was upset and hurt by your son’s actions before this meeting but I now see his actions were in response to him having not been taught how to respond to life’s struggles. I’m glad he finally got a dose of that before he graduated in 4 years. Tell him I’ll award him a passing grade of 59.5% on his test and to meet me at 6:45am tomorrow morning. It’s clear he needs someone to get his ass in the right direction. If you have a problem with that, so be it...but I refuse to allow a child with potential to sit idly by not know how to respond to adversity and expectations.’

Gave him two books by John Wooden and we spoke once a week about what he had read.
Kid has turned out to be a decent guy with a kid now. He’s a good dad and literally gives everything he has for that little girl...he usually ends up giving his daughter’s mom most of what is left of his paychecks as he doesn’t have her full time. He usually just works and heads home and tries to save here and there to get back to school.
In 1990 I owned a company that did screen printing and embroidery. We did a lot of state tournament apparel (Kokomo Girls, WL football, FW Northrup athletic dept.).... I can list at least six GREAT coaches who quit that year due to the ridiculous comments and "expectations" of parents. They said it wasn't worth coaching anymore when the parents gripe (they used other words) when their child is told to be a team member, or to use self-discipline ... do dah day
 
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In 1990 I owned a company that did screen printing and ebroidery. We did a lot of state tournament apparel (Kokomo Girls, WL football, FW Northrup athletic dept.).... I can list at least six GREAT coaches who quit that year due to the ridiculous comments and "expectations" of parents. They said it wasn't worth coaching anymore when the parents gripe (they used other words) when their child is told to be a team member, or to use self-discipline ... do dah day
MVP Sports? Sports Etc? Place on campus that is now the Panda Express? The Athlete? Knoy Apparel?
 
MVP Sports? Sports Etc? Place on campus that is now the Panda Express? The Athlete? Knoy Apparel?
no, no, no, no ... not local ... mucho bettero - got LOTS of orders, lots of great people (ADs at High Schools are the best) ..... and really larger than any locals.

Just my humble opinion, but Jim Callane (AD at Kokomo) was one of the greatest human beings ever. The guy at Northrup was great too, oh and at Northwestern ... he was the pres of the state AD group in the mid-90s.
 
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