B1G West tie-breaker
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We knew it was a big game, but knew who big that game would end up possibly being back then in August.
It goes by your head to head record against the teams you are tied with. Northwestern has the advantage right now in that category.
Northwestern beating Wisconsin and Purdue losing to MSU made things difficult. Northwestern has struggled against some bad teams but beat Wisconsin and MSU.
Unrelated, I was in line and I heard somebody complaining about LSU being overrated and the audacity (they didn’t use that word) of the committe to have had LSU over Notre Dame. Talking about how much better and more deserving Notre Dame was. He turned around and was wearing an IU hat. It gave me a chuckle. It’s that time of year.
I assume he still had the ND side of his jacket facing out?
For Purdue to win the West, we obviously have to win out. Then Northwestern has to lose to Iowa and also to either Illinois or Minnesota, which seems unlikely at this point. Iowa and Wisconsin are irrelevant in the scenario because we already lead Iowa and will lead Wisconsin with a win over them.
Depends on who is in that three way tie (or four way tie- still possible). Any scenario requires Iowa to beat Northwestern, and NW loses another one. Then it would depend on whether our third loss came against UW or another team. Likewise if UW third loss came against us or PSU, or if they lose to both.
Not entirely true, although that is by far the most likely path.
Here is one scenario:
Northwestern: loses to Iowa and Illinois, finishes 6-3
Purdue: loses to Indiana, finishes 6-3
Iowa: wins out, finishes 6-3
Wisconsin: loses to Purdue and Penn State, finishes 5-4
Records of 3 tied teams against each other:
Northwestern: 1-1 (beat Purdue, lost to Iowa)
Purdue: 1-1 (beat Iowa, lost to NW)
Iowa: 1-1 (beat NW, lost to Purdue)
Records of 3 tied teams within division:
Purdue: 5-1 (loss to NW)
Northwestern: 4-2 (loss to Iowa, Illinois)
Iowa: 4-2 (loss to Purdue, Wisconsin)
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I thought the first tiebreaker was each team's record against the next highest team. In that case, Iowa would drop out by virtue of a loss against Wisconsin, and NW would win the tiebreaker by beating Purdue.
I don't think you look at other common opponents once you get down to just two teams...at that point only the head-to-head record matters.
I don't think you look at other common opponents once you get down to just two teams...at that point only the head-to-head record matters.
No, head-to-head-to-head, then division record, then record vs next highest team.
You are correct though once team(s) are eliminated from the tiebreaker you start over at head to head with whatever teams are left.
[QUOTE="FirstDownB, post: 1910705, member: 17801
Another scenario would be the same as above but with Purdue losing to Minnesota instead of Indiana. Then for the second tiebreaker (record against division) Purdue would be 4-2 instead of 5-1, and it would drop down to the next tiebreaker, record against the next-highest placed teams in the division. In this scenario that would be Wisconsin. Purdue and Northwestern, having beaten Wisconsin, would move on to record against Illinois, which Purdue would have beaten and Northwestern lost to. [/QUOTE]
No, once Iowa is eliminated you go back to head to head.
Another scenario would be the same as above but with Purdue losing to Minnesota instead of Indiana. Then for the second tiebreaker (record against division) Purdue would be 4-2 instead of 5-1, and it would drop down to the next tiebreaker, record against the next-highest placed teams in the division. In this scenario that would be Wisconsin. Purdue and Northwestern, having beaten Wisconsin, would move on to record against Illinois, which Purdue would have beaten and Northwestern lost to. [/QUOTE]
No, once Iowa is eliminated you go back to head to head.
Crap. You're right. So, we have 2 basic paths:
(1) Win out and NW loses 2 more
(2) Win the next 2, Iowa wins out, and NW loses two more.
(I think..)
Fun for the whole family:
Here's a re-post of the tie-breaker rules according to the Big Ten conference website:
"The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie:
(a) If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 8 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step (or sub-step), the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. If three or more teams remain tied after any step, move to next step in tiebreaker with remaining tied teams.
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.
3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5, 6, and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents.
5. The best cumulative conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents.
(a) Example: East 1 non-divisional opponents are 20-7, East 2 non-divisional opponents are 19-8, East 3 non-divisional opponents are 14-13 - East 1 would be the representative.
6. The records of the three teams will be compared against the highest placed non-divisional teams in their division order of finish (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
(b) When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the record will prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e. 1-0 is better than 0-0, 2-0 is better than 1-0, etc.)
7. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
8. The representative will be chosen by random draw."
Here's a re-post of the tie-breaker rules according to the Big Ten conference website:
"The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie:
(a) If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 8 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step (or sub-step), the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. If three or more teams remain tied after any step, move to next step in tiebreaker with remaining tied teams.
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.
3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5, 6, and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents.
5. The best cumulative conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents.
(a) Example: East 1 non-divisional opponents are 20-7, East 2 non-divisional opponents are 19-8, East 3 non-divisional opponents are 14-13 - East 1 would be the representative.
6. The records of the three teams will be compared against the highest placed non-divisional teams in their division order of finish (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7).
(a) When arriving at a group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group, rather than record against the individual teams.
(b) When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the record will prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e. 1-0 is better than 0-0, 2-0 is better than 1-0, etc.)
7. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
8. The representative will be chosen by random draw."
And 1 of their 2 losses has to be to Iowa or they win the H2H2H tie break. Very unlikely of course that they would lose the other 2 but still.
