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Art Briles

Toxic, but he may be the fall guy, deservedly, but he's not the only one responsible. Meanwhile, Penn state is doing well.
 
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Toxic, but he may be the fall guy, deservedly, but he's not the only one responsible. Meanwhile, Penn state is doing well.
These programs almost always end up at an advantage after periods of cheating and/or scandal. They can fire a coach, vacate wins, whatever. But the new coach can boast about the wins, bowl games, and facilities that the cheating provided to recruits who grew up seeing the program as a winner, all the while disavowing the negative parts of the previous regime.
 
These programs almost always end up at an advantage after periods of cheating and/or scandal. They can fire a coach, vacate wins, whatever. But the new coach can boast about the wins, bowl games, and facilities that the cheating provided to recruits who grew up seeing the program as a winner, all the while disavowing the negative parts of the previous regime.

Baylor had zero fall off in recruiting. I didn't figure they would after what happened at Penn State. I would really like to see the NCAA start removing programs. When the boosters stay the same, you can remove all of the staff and still have the same problems. Yes, the athletes are not to blame, but they can go someplace else and play. Baylor should have had their football program completely removed for 4 years. A message needs to be sent out, and this is now the second example of how win at all costs will be tolerated. College basketball has the same problem. Get fired for anything but losing and you will coach again.
 
These programs almost always end up at an advantage after periods of cheating and/or scandal. They can fire a coach, vacate wins, whatever. But the new coach can boast about the wins, bowl games, and facilities that the cheating provided to recruits who grew up seeing the program as a winner, all the while disavowing the negative parts of the previous regime.

Baylor had zero fall off in recruiting. I didn't figure they would after what happened at Penn State. I would really like to see the NCAA start removing programs. When the boosters stay the same, you can remove all of the staff and still have the same problems. Yes, the athletes are not to blame, but they can go someplace else and play. Baylor should have had their football program completely removed for 4 years. A message needs to be sent out, and this is now the second example of how win at all costs will be tolerated. College basketball has the same problem. Get fired for anything but losing and you will coach again.
I'm with you that they need to ban them for a couple years. Unfortunately I don't think it will happen. The NCAA seems to harp on the "repeat offender" requirement for a ban to happen. The NCAA needs to be very careful because this case will set a huge precedent. If they let Baylor off with a slap on the wrist, they are basically saying it's ok for this to happen elsewhere.
 
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I'm with you that they need to ban them for a couple years. Unfortunately I don't think it will happen. The NCAA seems to harp on the "repeat offender" requirement for a ban to happen. The NCAA needs to be very careful because this case will set a huge precedent. If they let Baylor off with a slap on the wrist, they are basically saying it's ok for this to happen elsewhere.

They arleady did that with Penn State. The NCAA cares about one thing and that is $$
 
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The only thing that talks is money - forget all the phony vacating wins and post season bans.
PSU should have lost all BTN monies for 3-5 years; same with OSU and tatto-gate.
If they would hit them seriously in the pocket book it may actually have an effect.
What's done now is a joke (see Penn State, Ohio State, USC and now Baylor).
 
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The only thing that talks is money - forget all the phony vacating wins and post season bans.
PSU should have lost all BTN monies for 3-5 years; same with OSU and tatto-gate.
If they would hit them seriously in the pocket book it may actually have an effect.
What's done now is a joke (see Penn State, Ohio State, USC and now Baylor).

I would not call what they did to USC and maybe Penn State a joke, they took down an iconic Head Coach, right or wrong and hammered USC too.

The NCAA's reluctance to invoke the SMU Death Penalty, when warranted, still lingers in Indy when the saw what it did to SMU, opinions vary on this but our opinions don't matter!
 
I would not call what they did to USC and maybe Penn State a joke, they took down an iconic Head Coach, right or wrong and hammered USC too.

The NCAA's reluctance to invoke the SMU Death Penalty, when warranted, still lingers in Indy when the saw what it did to SMU, opinions vary on this but our opinions don't matter!
Guess I should have elaborated: by a joke, my focus was on the fact that all those schools were "down" for 1-2 seasons max - then back at the top of the polls.
Any penalties hardly had an impact
 
Guess I should have elaborated: by a joke, my focus was on the fact that all those schools were "down" for 1-2 seasons max - then back at the top of the polls.
Any penalties hardly had an impact

The penalty should do to those programs what it did to SMU. Only that will stop this behavior.
 
Guess I should have elaborated: by a joke, my focus was on the fact that all those schools were "down" for 1-2 seasons max - then back at the top of the polls.
Any penalties hardly had an impact

The penalty should do to those programs what it did to SMU. Only that will stop this behavior.

The have had their opportunity to use it with USC and maybe one other but are very reluctant to...Baylor a repeat offender and the academic fiasco at NC, should be cases for another use of it but, if it should happen it won't be at NC.
 
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as I read the article I've come to the conclusion it wasn't all Briles' fault. Yes, there was a lot of cover up, but many others were involved. He was part of a culture gone bad.

I believe actions have consequences. However, looking around, I believe many other schools either suffer or have suffered from similar issues that were hidden under the rug and will probably never be made known. I also have to believe this type of activity has existed on many college campuses in the past, but the coaching staff protected the athlete.
 
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