Another mass shooting

[qazplm]

but certain folks haven't jumped on here to tell us it's a Muslim.

I wonder why?

Of course, could be a Muslim, or a Christian, or a Buddhist (probably not), time will tell. But 20 people were killed and over 40 injured....seems like that counts as "terrorism" yes?

 

[jadeezra]

50 dead now , wow. Pretty obvious assault rifles need banned asap.

Maybe Reagan was right on one thing after all. Those things don't have any place out in the street.

 

[ecouch]

All signs pointing to another Islamic terror attack. Local PD says Omar Saddiqui Mateen was "on the radar". FBI says the same with possible connections or leanings to ISIS.

 

[buygreekbonds]

All signs pointing to another Islamic terror attack. Local PD says Omar Saddiqui Mateen was "on the radar". FBI says the same with possible connections or leanings to ISIS.

These attacks are not Islamic terrorism. Terrorism is done to invoke terror. The attacks are Islamic jihad. Jihad is done to please Allah and gain an houri of 72 virgins in paradise.

Sounds absurd but these moslem greaseballs really, really believe they're gonna be rolling in hair pie as a reward for killing infidels.

 

[qazplm]

All signs pointing to another Islamic terror attack. Local PD says Omar Saddiqui Mateen was "on the radar". FBI says the same with possible connections or leanings to ISIS.

No signs pointing to anything yet. Could be an "Islamic terror attack" or could be a homophobic guy who is Islamic. Dad says not about religion and that he was upset earlier about seeing two guys kissing. He was also a US citizen. Whole point is to wait and let the investigation unfold just like with the plane that went down.

 

[ecouch]

“He’s a known quantity,” the source said. “He’s been on the radar before.” Investigated by the FBI in 2013 and again in 2014.

“Ramadan, the month of conquest and jihad. Get prepared, be ready...to make it a month of calamity everywhere for the non-believers...especially for the fighters and supporters of the caliphate in Europe and America,” Adnani said.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html

 

[qazplm]

“He’s a known quantity,” the source said. “He’s been on the radar before.” Investigated by the FBI in 2013 and again in 2014.

“Ramadan, the month of conquest and jihad. Get prepared, be ready...to make it a month of calamity everywhere for the non-believers...especially for the fighters and supporters of the caliphate in Europe and America,” Adnani said.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html

All your link says is he was looked at and nothing was found and that he has no direct links to ISIS.

 

[ecouch]

Bragged about having ties to Islamic terror organizations.

DHS says (second hand) pledged loyalty to ISIS. Father may have also attracted some attention.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/12/fbi-suspect-bragged-about-ties-to-terrorist-organizations/

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/...-orlando-from-act-of-terrorism-at-night-club/

 

[ecouch]

Called 911 and swore allegiance to Islamic State before terror attack - al Baghdadi in particular.

https://twitter.com/braddjaffy

ETA: LE said he also referenced other Islamic terrorists, the Tsarneav Brothers.

 

[qazplm]

Bragged about having ties to Islamic terror organizations.

DHS says (second hand) pledged loyalty to ISIS. Father may have also attracted some attention.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/12/fbi-suspect-bragged-about-ties-to-terrorist-organizations/

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/...-orlando-from-act-of-terrorism-at-night-club/

Ex wife says he was never interested in religion but he was abusive and unstable. But I know it's important to you to jump to the easy conclusion.

 

[Bruce1]

These attacks are not Islamic terrorism. Terrorism is done to invoke terror. The attacks are Islamic jihad. Jihad is done to please Allah and gain an houri of 72 virgins in paradise.

Sounds absurd but these moslem greaseballs really, really believe they're gonna be rolling in hair pie as a reward for killing infidels.

terrorism

noun ter·ror·ism \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\

Simple Definition of terrorism

• : the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal
  

Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

The people behind these things: Al Qaida, ISIS, etc certainly fit the definition. I of course, am assuming a lot here that my conscious, Qaz, is quick to remind me that I am quick to a conclusion.

 

[buygreekbonds]

terrorism

noun ter·ror·ism \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\

Simple Definition of terrorism

• : the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

The people behind these things: Al Qaida, ISIS, etc certainly fit the definition. I of course, am assuming a lot here that my conscious, Qaz, is quick to remind me that I am quick to a conclusion.

BINGO. These moslem greaseballs are not trying to achieve a political goal. They want to die as martyrs after killing infidels for the purpose of acquiring an houri 72 virgins in paradise.

Martyrs rewarded with 72 Virgins
The most prominent reward that Palestinian Martyrs are repeatedly promised are the 72 Dark-Eyed Virgins in Paradise. A Palestinian religious leader explained that this is authentic Islam, whose purpose is to “fill Muslims with desire for Paradise”:
"He [Muhammad] said (in a Hadith, Islamic tradition):
‘[There is] a palace of pearls in Paradise and in it seventy courts of ruby... And in each court [there are] seventy houses of green emerald stone. In every house, seventy beds. On every bed, seventy mattresses of every color and on every mattress a woman.’ (Hadith)
The writing of the Prophet [Muhammad in this Hadith]... is intended to fill Muslims with desire for Paradise... to be worthy of it, because only three dwell there:Prophets, Righteous and Shahids (Martyrs for Allah)."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 2, 2004]




The message comes from all parts of society, including religious leaders, TV news reports, schoolbooks, and even music videos. Newspapers routinely describe the death and funerals of terrorists as their “wedding.” The indoctrination has impacted so significantly on Palestinian society that mothers celebrate their sons’ death as “weddings” and some even state that their sons’ motivation to fight Israel and be killed was to reach Paradise and marry the Dark-Eyed Virgins.

This music video is an example of the PA's continuous indoctrination of this message. The longest running music video on PA TV, originally aired in 2000 and broadcast regularly in 2010, shows a male Martyr being greeted in Islam’s Paradise by dark eyed women all dressed in white. As the PA religious leader wrote, its purpose is to “fill Muslims with desire for Paradise.”

 

[terminalg92]

but certain folks haven't jumped on here to tell us it's a Muslim.

I wonder why?

Of course, could be a Muslim, or a Christian, or a Buddhist (probably not), time will tell. But 20 people were killed and over 40 injured....seems like that counts as "terrorism" yes?

Both Muslims' and Christians' religious texts which lay out very clearly and unambiguously that gays should be killed:

Just one Christian example: Leviticus 20:13: "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

Just one Muslim example: "If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done" (vol. 3, p. 145, no. 4447)

And as you noted with the "probably not" comment, there's no corresponding anti-gay commands within Buddhism.

Both Muslim and Christian religious texts have highly immoral passages within them that should have people rejecting the entire text. Instead billions have made it a cornerstone of their spirituality. This is absurd and should be ridiculed and condemned at every opportunity, which is exactly what I'm doing with this post.

If Christians and Muslims insist on continuing to practice their religious because of the "better more noble" aspects of their religious texts and dogma, then they should at least be insistent that their religious texts are modified so as to bring the morality up to 21st-century morality. Because right now basic secular morality runs circles around the "morality" that's in these ancient texts.

 

[ecouch]

Islamic State claims responsibility.

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Orlando_Nightclub_Shooting_3?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

Prominent Christian and Lt. Gov of Texas uses the terror attack to bash gays. The excuse given was that it was timed tweet set to go out automatically.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-texas-idUSKCN0YY0TA

 

[ecouch]

Orlando mosque preacher a few months ago.

Kill gays.

 

[destewart]

No signs pointing to anything yet. Could be an "Islamic terror attack" or could be a homophobic guy who is Islamic. Dad says not about religion and that he was upset earlier about seeing two guys kissing. He was also a US citizen. Whole point is to wait and let the investigation unfold just like with the plane that went down.

A native born American Muslim,,previously investigated by FBI, shouted Alu Akbar in club, called 911 and said he pledged allegiance to ISIS during attack. Was employed as a security guard by firm with contracts to protect federal facilities. Bought the pistol legally at a gun store several weeks ago. ISIS issued warning three days ago.

 

[TheCainer]

A native born American Muslim,,previously investigated by FBI, shouted Alu Akbar in club, called 911 and said he pledged allegiance to ISIS during attack. Was employed as a security guard by firm with contracts to protect federal facilities. Bought the pistol legally at a gun store several weeks ago. ISIS issued warning three days ago.

It's ironic in this case what Obama told a gun store owner in Elkhart the other day. He was definitely talking about banning guns for this type of person and what stops us from doing so. It's insane. Hopefully this link works as I have never tried a link on my cell phone before today.www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/obama-to-gunowners-im-not-looking-to-disarm-you/

 

[ecouch]

It's ironic in this case what Obama told a gun store owner in Elkhart the other day. He was definitely talking about banning guns for this type of person and what stops us from doing so. It's insane. Hopefully this link works as I have never tried a link on my cell phone before today.www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/obama-to-gunowners-im-not-looking-to-disarm-you/

He was a 100% legal gun owner. Not only did posses a license to carry concealed, he held an addition license that are available to security professionals that allows for additional firearms to be concealed. He also passed two individual NICS querries conducted by the FBI within the past two weeks. So unless Obama said no guns for radical muslims whose only black mark is a $135 ticket for an illegal right turn....

ETA:

Ah I see now. He wants to create a "no buy" list for know ISIS sympathizers. So yeah, he does want a radical Muslim no buy list. First I have heard that.

I just came from a meeting today in the Situation Room in which I got people who we know have been on ISIL Web sites, living here in the United States, U.S. citizens, and we’re allowed to put them on the no-fly list when it comes to airlines, but because of the National Rifle Association, I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun.

Stripping rights for visiting a website. Getting put on secret lists. If these men are so dangerous, why are they allowed to stay?

None the less, this guy wouldn't have been on that list. He was investigated and cleared several times by the FBI.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/obama-to-gun-owners-im-not-looking-to-disarm-you/

Working link.

 

[TheCainer]

He was a 100% legal gun owner. Not only did posses a license to carry concealed, he held an addition license that are available to security professionals that allows for additional firearms to be concealed. He also passed two individual NICS querries conducted by the FBI within the past two weeks. So unless Obama said no guns for radical muslims whose only black mark is a $135 ticket for an illegal right turn....

ETA:

Ah I see now. He wants to create a "no buy" list for know ISIS sympathizers. So yeah, he does want a radical Muslim no buy list. First I have heard that.

I just came from a meeting today in the Situation Room in which I got people who we know have been on ISIL Web sites, living here in the United States, U.S. citizens, and we’re allowed to put them on the no-fly list when it comes to airlines, but because of the National Rifle Association, I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun.

Stripping rights for visiting a website. Getting put on secret lists. If these men are so dangerous, why are they allowed to stay?

None the less, this guy wouldn't have been on that list. He was investigated and cleared several times by the FBI.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/obama-to-gun-owners-im-not-looking-to-disarm-you/

Working link.

Are you ok with that no buy list? It makes a ton of sense especially in light of this event.

 

[destewart]

He was a 100% legal gun owner. Not only did posses a license to carry concealed, he held an addition license that are available to security professionals that allows for additional firearms to be concealed. He also passed two individual NICS querries conducted by the FBI within the past two weeks. So unless Obama said no guns for radical muslims whose only black mark is a $135 ticket for an illegal right turn....

ETA:

Ah I see now. He wants to create a "no buy" list for know ISIS sympathizers. So yeah, he does want a radical Muslim no buy list. First I have heard that.

I just came from a meeting today in the Situation Room in which I got people who we know have been on ISIL Web sites, living here in the United States, U.S. citizens, and we’re allowed to put them on the no-fly list when it comes to airlines, but because of the National Rifle Association, I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun.

Stripping rights for visiting a website. Getting put on secret lists. If these men are so dangerous, why are they allowed to stay?

None the less, this guy wouldn't have been on that list. He was investigated and cleared several times by the FBI.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/obama-to-gun-owners-im-not-looking-to-disarm-you/

Working link.

And his ex wife apparently never reported to police he was an abuser who beat her.

 

[bodog57]

Real definition of terrorist: Crazy bastard who can buy an automatic rifle at Walmart and just had a bad day.

 

[Bruce1]

Both Muslims' and Christians' religious texts which lay out very clearly and unambiguously that gays should be killed:

Just one Christian example: Leviticus 20:13: "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

Just one Muslim example: "If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done" (vol. 3, p. 145, no. 4447)

And as you noted with the "probably not" comment, there's no corresponding anti-gay commands within Buddhism.

Both Muslim and Christian religious texts have highly immoral passages within them that should have people rejecting the entire text. Instead billions have made it a cornerstone of their spirituality. This is absurd and should be ridiculed and condemned at every opportunity, which is exactly what I'm doing with this post.

If Christians and Muslims insist on continuing to practice their religious because of the "better more noble" aspects of their religious texts and dogma, then they should at least be insistent that their religious texts are modified so as to bring the morality up to 21st-century morality. Because right now basic secular morality runs circles around the "morality" that's in these ancient texts.

Have you ever read and understood the New Testament? I would guess not or else you would not cherry pick a verse from the Old Testament in a weak attempt to make it look like Christianity is as evil as Islam.

 

[lbodel]

A native born American Muslim,,previously investigated by FBI, shouted Alu Akbar in club, called 911 and said he pledged allegiance to ISIS during attack. Was employed as a security guard by firm with contracts to protect federal facilities. Bought the pistol legally at a gun store several weeks ago. ISIS issued warning three days ago.

It's also clear he was targeting gays which for some reason you didn't mention.

 

[ecouch]

Real definition of terrorist: Crazy bastard who can buy an automatic rifle at Walmart and just had a bad day.

Bless your heart.

0 for 2.

The firearms weren't automatic and you can't by automatic firearms at Walmart.

 

[bodog57]

Bless your heart.

0 for 2.

The firearms weren't automatic and you can't by automatic firearms at Walmart.

Bless your heart...semantics my dear sweet naive conservative.

 

[B-Westy]

Bless your heart...semantics my dear sweet naive conservative.

Killing in the name of Islam is a better a definition of terrorism.

 

[ecouch]

It's also clear he was targeting gays which for some reason you didn't mention.

He targeted LGBT (not just gays). He learned this because the angel Gabriel was sent by the God of Abraham to deliver the final recitation. Included in the God of Abraham's final communication with humankind was included instructions to kill homosexuals. Just like he did 600 years earlier with Jews.

The God of Abraham is disgusting.

If you preach the teachings of the God of Abraham, you are evil.

 

[bodog57]

Killing in the name of Islam is a better a definition of terrorism.

No, it really isn't, if you would have said religion instead of Islam, I'd probably have a degree of agreement.

 

[ecouch]

Bless your heart...semantics my dear sweet naive conservative.

Your semantics are 100% incorrect.

I agree, properly defining difficult scenarios will only lead to better outcomes.

I am not a conservative. 0/3.

 

[ecouch]

Are you ok with that no buy list? It makes a ton of sense especially in light of this event.

Wouldn't it make more sense to imprison or deport these men? If you can't buy a single shot 4/10, why are you allowed internet access, the 1st amendment, or access to a Home Depot or a fleet store?

 

[bodog57]

Your semantics are 100% incorrect.

I agree, properly defining difficult scenarios will only lead to better outcomes.

I am not a conservative. 0/3.

Sorry, never meant to offend, but automatic/semi-automatic over 100 people having a good time were shot by a gun you can buy anywhere. It only serves one purpose. It's too expensive for target shooting. I have over 30 guns more accurate than this, but, it served its only purpose.

 

[Bruce1]

Qaz, is it now OK to call this an Islamic Terrorist attack since ISIS has now claimed responsibility for it? I didn't want to violate your rules of political correctness.

 

[ecouch]

Sorry, never meant to offend, but automatic/semi-automatic over 100 people having a good time were shot by a gun you can buy anywhere. It only serves one purpose. It's too expensive for target shooting. I have over 30 guns more accurate than this, but, it served its only purpose.

.223 is too expensive for targets? 22 is going for more than 223.

An actual LOL.

automatic/semiautomatic.

An actual LOL.

30 guns?

Maybe. You HAVE made clear that you don't know anything about them.

 

[bodog57]

.223 is too expensive for targets? 22 is going for more than 223.

An actual LOL.

automatic/semiautomatic.

An actual LOL.

30 guns?

Maybe. You HAVE made clear that you don't know how to use them.

ok, you are obviously mentally disabled...sorry.

 

[ecouch]

ok, you are obviously mentally disabled...sorry.

I rest my case.

 

[bodog57]

I rest my case.

Well, you should since you have little to offer.

 

[ecouch]

Qaz, is it now OK to call this an Islamic Terrorist attack since ISIS has now claimed responsibility for it? I didn't want to violate your rules of political correctness.

Workplace violence. Remember the Islamic terrorism attack at Ft. Hood?

The regressive left doesn't understand how they are letting ISIS elect the next president.

 

[ecouch]

No signs pointing to anything yet. Could be an "Islamic terror attack" or could be a homophobic guy who is Islamic.

This is the perfect example of regressivism. It could be a religious attack against enlightenment values, or it could be a guy who rejects enlightenment values in favor of Islamism.

Islamism doesn't care if you are progressive. Progressive thought with regards to religion is driving folks towards the hard right. Europe is the prime example.

 

[kescwi]

This is the perfect example of regressivism. It could be a religious attack against enlightenment values, or it could be a guy who rejects enlightenment values in favor of Islamism.

Haha, I typed "regressivism" into my search and it redirected to reactionary, talk about irony. haha, who is that word "regressivism' meant to define you or qazplm?

 

[ecouch]

Well, you should since you have little to offer.

You've done nothing than make me think I should giver LE a heads up that you have 30 firearms.