Andrew White Announces Grad Transfer from Nebraska
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Yes! Purdue has three open spots for next season. He's an immediately eligible grad transfer (so, he wouldn't take up a scholarship for 2017) and Nebraska's 2nd leading scorer (by a hair: Shields went off at the end of the season), leading rebounder, and leading 3PT shooter from last season. He can play the 2 or the 3, can shoot, score, rebound, make plays, and defend. I hope Painter and staff go after him and get over their love affair with Mathias. He's good, but at his best I doubt he will be as good as Andrew White at his best. It's the hard truth for some, but that's the way it goes. If he chose Purdue, they could have a starting lineup of:
1. Carsen Edwards 6'0 Fr.
2. Andrew White 6'6/6'7 Sr.
3. Vince Edwards 6'7/6'8 Jr.
4. Caleb Swanigan 6'8/6'9 So.
5. Isaac Haas 7'2 Jr.
Or there are other lineups where you could add Smotherman, Mathias, or Albrecht (if he's healthy). Plus, Cline and especially Thompson have shown themselves to be worthy of significant PT. The coaching staff should absolutely pursue him if they want an upgrade in talent and depth.
2015-2016 Nebraska Player Stats: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/158
Andrew White: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61616/andrew-white
White Game Log: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/61616/andrew-white
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1. Carsen Edwards 6'0 Fr.
2. Andrew White 6'6/6'7 Sr.
3. Vince Edwards 6'7/6'8 Jr.
4. Caleb Swanigan 6'8/6'9 So.
5. Isaac Haas 7'2 Jr.
Or there are other lineups where you could add Smotherman, Mathias, or Albrecht (if he's healthy). Plus, Cline and especially Thompson have shown themselves to be worthy of significant PT. The coaching staff should absolutely pursue him if they want an upgrade in talent and depth.
2015-2016 Nebraska Player Stats: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/158
Andrew White: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61616/andrew-white
White Game Log: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/61616/andrew-white
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They absolutely should pursue him to see if there is any interest...as already covered, he makes Purdue better...not only that, with extra scholarships on hand and his only being for one year so no impact on '17, Purdue/Painter should absolutely pursue him...and pursue him hard if there is any mutual interest at all.
Wow! How do you not see that there are more things to being a good player on a team then just skills? This will be the kids second transfer.
Plus you ran down Mathias trying to make your uninformed point?
You used to be a good poster. Not so much anymore.
Things have changed. Painter hasn't made enough progress with the program since 2010 for me to be excited about him as the HC anymore. I'll accept it, but I'm not thrilled about it. He's laid a lot of eggs with his teams in down-to-the-wire NCAA Tournament games. That's not the sign of a coach that can take the program to new heights.
I didn't run down Mathias. I said White at his best is likely to be a more impactful and better overall player than Mathias. If you disagree, that's fine. We can agree to disagree.
As far as going to his third college, Johnny Hill was on his second transfer when he came to Purdue. From all accounts, he was a team player and got along with his teammates. I know not every player will be the same, but you seem to be insinuating that White could be a sketchy guy to add to the team. I'm assuming that it can work (his addition, plus team chemistry, plus improving as a team), but maybe you're right. However, I'm not inclined to believe that he would be so much trouble that he wouldn't be worth offering on a team that currently has 10 scholarship players.
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There was no need to add Mathias to rhe discussion so yeah, you took a jab at him.
You should look into the situation that is the white transfer and perhaps you will see why Painter probably isn't interested. It was nothing like the Hill situation. Not even remotely similar.
No, I didn't. If anything, it was a critique of Painter getting too fixated on one player over some of his teammates.
I have looked into it. It sounds like White wants to be a winning team now with more weapons and doesn't want to be on a team where opposing defenses would be able to key in solely on him.
I don't know what you have read about the situation. But it sounds a whole lot closer to the Ronnie Johsom situation then the Hill situation. I would wager a hefty sum that Painter isn't interested at all.
Actually, making a deep NCAA tournament is also one of White's goals according to the pundits. It goes along with the exposure, I guess.
You may be right though. If you are, I'm sure Painter won't pursue it. If he does though, it's likely because he assessed chemistry won't be an issue.
What has Mathias done so wrong? Kid is a WAY above average shooter, the best passer on the team, a leader, and by all accounts a team player.
Nothing. It is just more of the wannabe "experts" on here trying to enforce their knowledge.
Mathias has done nothing wrong. Bringing him into this conversation was not needed. The kid is solid and I cam think of a few games he saved our butts in.
He may not be the most athletic or talented player. But he wants to be at Purdue and plays well when he is in the game. I would be shocked if he isn't the starting 2 guard the entire season this year. He can hit 3's. Has that in between game people say is a lost art today. He is an excellent passer and he plays more then solid defense. Why anyone wouldn't like that or want an unknown over a kid who has 2 years with the program, without any issues, is beyond me.
He may not be the most athletic or talented player. But he wants to be at Purdue and plays well when he is in the game. I would be shocked if he isn't the starting 2 guard the entire season this year. He can hit 3's. Has that in between game people say is a lost art today. He is an excellent passer and he plays more then solid defense. Why anyone wouldn't like that or want an unknown over a kid who has 2 years with the program, without any issues, is beyond me.
No one said that Mathias had done anything wrong. Some of you are taking the comments out of context and putting words into my mouth. I just don't want to see Painter pass on a top-level player (who wouldn't affect the scholarships, btw) just to ensure that one of his favorites (a player that might, hypothetically, produce less than White) is given every chance possible to play starter's minutes (i.e. less competition).
Mathias is probably more fundamentally sound than White but I think White has more natural talent and athletic ability. Their skill level seems similar to me. I think Purdue's odds to win games next season (postseason included) could be increased with the addition of White instead of staying with only 10 scholarship players. White said he wants to play on a winning team that can go far in the postseason. That doesn't seem like a "me first" type of comment. That seems more like someone that help make Purdue a better team.
Mathias is probably more fundamentally sound than White but I think White has more natural talent and athletic ability. Their skill level seems similar to me. I think Purdue's odds to win games next season (postseason included) could be increased with the addition of White instead of staying with only 10 scholarship players. White said he wants to play on a winning team that can go far in the postseason. That doesn't seem like a "me first" type of comment. That seems more like someone that help make Purdue a better team.
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I think mathias is definitely a solid role player for sure, but way above average shooter is a bit of a stretch. So far his percentages have been average in that department. Hopefully he can be improve it more next year.
He was very good during the Big Ten season this year, shooting 64% from 2, 41.5% from 3, and 86% on free throws. He is a way above average shooter who continually improved throughout the season. In the last 8 games or so, he was tremendous. He also distributes the ball well without turning it over.
Although it wouldn't impact my decision of whether to pursue White, I see Mathias as a solid Big Ten starter.
You're picking a small sample size. If you take his percentages from the entire year it was very average. Even assuming he shot 41% on the entire year while that would be very good, wouldn't make him a transcendent shooter(or way above average as you like to put it). 38 % is solid, but I'm not sure he would even be top 30 in just the big ten last year.
Listen, I agree with both you and nage on this conversation, but was a little stumped when you said "plays more than solid defense." We're talking about Mathias, right? I mean, he's not a HORRIBLE defender, but IMO, solid defense is above-average. Probably around an 7-8 on a scale of 1-10. I don't think Ray Davis was a 10, and he was head and shoulders, and waist, better defensively than Mathias. I'm not knocking him either, but I do agree that Mathias isn't necessarily starting quality on a Final Four contending team, but is the first or second off the bench on a FF team. He is an OUTSTANDING role player, puts the team first, and will leave it all on the floor, which you ABSOLUTELY need on a team. He is a very important asset to Purdues success, but he does play flat-footed defensively, gets burned by quicker 2 guards, which is almost every 2 guard. His best asset is his ability to run the offense, pass the ball, and make the right play. He's a damn good shooter from anywhere on the floor, has great vision with and without the ball. He just lacks athleticism.
That said, if White is a Ronnie Johnson type of cancer, I don't want him. IDC if he's a fringe first round NBA pick, we can't have that on Purdue.
I very much agree with you, as far as your comments on Mathias as a player.
So far, there is nothing from his past to indicate that Andrew White III would be a chemistry problem, unless you want to hold the timing of his most recent transfer announcement against him. It's rumored that coaches from Creighton (in Omaha, Nebraska), Maryland, Michigan, and Virginia Tech have contacted him. I hope Painter and the gang get involved.
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I think that Mathias was growing in confidence as the season went on and by the end of the year I was more comfortable with him shooting than anyone else on the team. In some respects, he reminded me Ryne Smith as a junior when he really started to build confidence as a shooter after a fairly slow start.
The other thing about Mathias is that 3 point shots were never conceded to him like they often were with some of his teammates. His three point attempts were almost always contested.
It appears that Painter and the Painterettes aren't interested in White. He would rather stay with what he has (10 scholarship players) over trying to add an Honorable Mention All-Big Ten guard.
You're attributing the opinions of comment board posters to Matt painter. Mr white may not want to come here. Painter may have a reason for not wanting him. It's not like mr white said I'll come to Purdue if they will have me
I'm amazed at how little you understand the team dynamic.
Just stop. Your poorly supported, illogical, emotionally based dislike for EVERYTHING Painter does or does not do makes you look really bad. Someone else asked if you were OK because your posts have deteriorated .... and you went off on them.
It appears you are once again drawing conclusions and making judgements with little to no information.
At least you're consistent.
WTF are "Painterettes"? Are these supposed to be those who support the current coach on the internet, or does it apply to the whole Purdue fan base? Maybe you are just talking about the cheerleaders at the basketball games, or are you proposing a new name for the Paint Crew?
I guess we could follow pattern and call those who don't like the current coach "Nag and the Never-Land Pirates"? Sounds like it might work. (All in fun, please).
As for White, he might have some very specific destinations in mind. Hell, if it were me, I'd go for Miami or Hawaii just for the experience. He would be in a competitive situation at Purdue, and I doubt he would beat out the kids in front of him. Actually, I truly doubt White will stay in the BIG for his fifth year.
I guess we could follow pattern and call those who don't like the current coach "Nag and the Never-Land Pirates"? Sounds like it might work. (All in fun, please).
As for White, he might have some very specific destinations in mind. Hell, if it were me, I'd go for Miami or Hawaii just for the experience. He would be in a competitive situation at Purdue, and I doubt he would beat out the kids in front of him. Actually, I truly doubt White will stay in the BIG for his fifth year.
I guess we could follow pattern and call those who don't like the current coach "Nag and the Never-Land Pirates"? Sounds like it might work. (All in fun, please).
How about "Nag and the Nattering Nagettes of Negativism"? I'm sure the reason White isn't coming to Purdue is because of the negatroids. It's obvious. What other reason could there be? And I'm beside myself with rage looking for someone to blame.
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What makes you think there was any interest on White's end to begin with? It would seem that you should establish that before deciding to blame Painter for not landing him.....
Nage - You are better than the name calling.
I am sure that just about every high major coach in the country considered pursuing White. This is not a case where the handful of programs mentioned as finalists were the only ones smart enough to recognize White's talents. I don't think that you have enough information to draw the conclusion that Painter would rather stay with what he has than to add White.
He said once in an interview in the last 30 days that he's happy with his 10 scholarship player roster. boilerzz, I have an understanding of team dynamics and also their ceiling: Purdue's not going to win an NCAA Tournament Region with Dakota Mathias or Ryan Cline as their starters minutes 2-guard. They're not quick enough on D or versatile enough on O. They're good role players. They're not stars. The addition of White could make Purdue a Final Four contender. If the coaching staff isn't willing to pursue him, it's short-sighted on their part. It might be the only opportunity left this offseason for them to add an instant impact player for next season.
Painterettes is name-calling? Is that a violation of your Mormon beliefs? lol
This is impressive. Out of curiosity, what is the source of this understanding?
You are reading way too much into the 10 player quote if you assume that Painter wouldn't add a grad transfer given the opportunity, if it would improve the team. You also have given me no reason to believe that you have any idea whether Purdue contacted White and, if so, what was said.
Regarding whether Purdue can make a deep run with Mathias at the two guard position, I don't know if they can or not, but there have been national champions who started designated shooters. One that comes to mind is Lee Humphries, who failed to average 5 points a game in his first two seasons at Florida, but went on to start on two national championship teams. He was a great compliment to the terrific front line of Horford, Noah, and Brewer. Another who comes to mind is Luke Hancock, who was pretty much the definition of a shooting specialist for Louisville.
Regarding the name calling, I just hate to see the already petty and ridiculously repetitive back and forths on this board descend to that level. We are capable of better.
Well Rick Pitino talked to White about playing at a UL and then backed off. I am not sure if that gives us any idea of what kind of kid he is? But knowing the kind of kid Rick has said yes to, it does seem that we aren't missing out at all.
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