what will it be like when Brohm has 2-3 years recruiting his type of players?
Amazing what the right coach can do..
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He is definitely squeezing blood from a turnip with DH2's recruits.
Just a slight improvement in talent and depth and he will have us as a top 20 program. If he starts getting some high 3 star and some 4 star recruits there is no limit to what he will do.
To be honest I am not even sure this is coaching from a skill standpoint. With the exception of run blocking and defensive pass coverage. Getting Purdue to average in that area. I think it's that Purdue has had such poor coaching in the worst kind of way that just having JB come in is like having a gold bar fall from the sky each week. It's like a slot machine that pays out each spin by comparison. JB isn't asking the world, but he doesn't tolerate losing whimpering attitude. That's a relief because it's that which makes JB a coach, addressing the more important mental aspects of the game, something not even Tiller brought in completely. Tiller was more offensive skill outscore let the defense get pounded every week passing wise. He didn't instill mental toughness but he didn't allow mental weakness, and at least had effective results. Ever since Tiller it seems mental weakness was actually taught and prized until JB came in. That much I like about him no matter what skill is showcased. The team covers receivers, or at least tries to every play. JB is what Purdue needed just to see the difference of just how horrible coaching decisions have been made by AD prior to JB's arrival. That and physical conditioning. Purdue is far more physical than at any point ever as a team completely that I've seen. Prior teams to this year you had to wonder if they had any off season programs at all let alone the types other schools have.
Disagree!! Joe Tiller was the epitome toughness. Just ask Tim Stratton.
Maybe.
And maybe we had more talent than the self-professed experts on this forum saw.
Besides, this obsession with Hazell borders on an obsession.
Don't get me wrong. I understand the point. But, these are OUR players, not DH's recruits. They're Boilermakers. Let's all act like it. Please.
So far so good. But, the team needs to continue to take steps forward. Saturday is a good test. That is a game that we "should" win. Let's get that done.
I think it is important to get to a bowl (any bowl) as that means more practice time for the team.
This is a great start. Let's hope that we continue to take steps forward now that we are past Michigan and Wisconsin.
I think it is important to get to a bowl (any bowl) as that means more practice time for the team.
This is a great start. Let's hope that we continue to take steps forward now that we are past Michigan and Wisconsin.
He was a good coach no doubt. His defenses though were always suspect. If he had even 1 defense that played as well as Purdue's yesterday some of those teams would have been unstoppable.
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That's simply untrue, and an injustice to what he accomplished here at Purdue.
Tiller's defensive coaches routinely had the 'pick of the litter' when it came to recruited talent. Numerous NFL DBs, LBs and DL. He took HS WRs and QBs and moved them to LB and DB, where they played professionally.
Goodness, we had one year (2004) we had 9 players drafted, 7 from the defensive side.
In his earlier years at Purdue, we were frequently ranked #35-39 in total defense.
Especially late in his Purdue career, Tiller's defenses consistently ranked in the top-15 teams NATIONALLY (in total defense).
I love the heart of this team, but there's no way we're playing as a top-20 team, defensively.
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Or it could just be people are angry and will be when some one so clearly destroys something they love.
Im just more impressed that an obsession can turn into an obsession.
False. The Tiller/Spack defenses were almost always underrated. Giving up over 400 yards to Wisconsin would have been very usual in the Tiller years.
If anything it was the offense being shut down by physical defenses, turning the ball over, or stalling in the redzone that capped those teams at 8 or 9 wins. Also, some of those years we really put the "special" in special teams with blocked punts, fumbles, etc.
I believe 2003 and 2004 were the only times we had a legitimately good defense and much of that was because our starters were NFL quality and so were a good portion of their backups. The rest of the time it was either bend don't break defenses designed to force turnovers, or the offense was putting up so many points, teams had to throw it a lot to try to keep up. But that was always an issue with depth. Post 2005 with the early entries to the NFL absolutely killed us in terms of roster continuity on the defensive side.
just in terms of ranking simple team defense/ppg, those became the peak years
2000 - 39th in the country
2001 - 39
2002 - 35
2003 - 14
2004 - 16
2005 - 75
2006 - 90
2007 - 56
2008 - 64
correct. Which still pretty much destroys the original assertion.
This year we're currently 62nd in total defense.
Some people have short memories.
More fun with numbers...
Here are the rankings based on yards per play. Points can be misleading as they include special teams scores, pick 6's, etc.
2000 - 55th
2001 - 18
2002 - 26
2003 - 13
2004 - 35
2005 - 84
2006 - 108
2007 - 43
2008 - 53
Fun fact: The offense yards per play during this same time period 2000-2008 averaged 50th in the nation.
People can define 'good' or 'very good' however, but in general those Tiller defenses were statistically just as good as the Tiller offenses. One could say if those defenses were better Tiller would have won more games. One could just as easily say if we had a more consistent running game or more receivers that could beat press man coverage.. we would have won more games.
Goes to show that you can be a very good program if you are roughly equal in the top half on offense and defense. A very well rounded opponent is very hard to defeat.
The thing is everyone had figured out our offense by 2003. It was the defensive side that was the strength of the 2003 and 2004 teams and almost carried us to a second rose bowl. Spack was a great DC when he had the players. A guy can only do so much when he doesn't have a load of talent or depth.
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